BF caught COVID - breakthrough infection

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

We've been both Pfizer vaccinated since March 5 (second dose). He went to dinner with an out-of-town (unvaccinated) friend on Monday. His friend wasn't feeling well. My BF, who suffers from sinus infections, started not feeling well on Wednesday. We thought it was due to higher than normal humidity (we live in Las Vegas and any humidity above 15% is 'highly abnormal' for us).

Then, on Thursday, his friend (who regularly made fun of vaccinations and is a Trumper... big surprise) announced he had tested positive. So my BF, who was at work (he works in an architecture firm where only vaccinated employees are allowed on premises), informed HR. They sent him home and to get a rapid test. In the meantime, my BF had scheduled another test at CVS for Friday.

The rapid test came back as negative. The test he took at CVS came back as positive. Under doctor advice, we were told to regard the CVS test as official (apparently the rapid test is not as sensitive).

And so here we are. The office has asked everyone to work from home.

He is feeling pretty crummy. I have a feeling there is a lot we still don't know about breakthrough infections. I know a recent Israeli study says Pfizer is 88% effective against the delta variant. But I am concerned... my BF is a very healthy athletic man in his early 40s without any pre-existing conditions or comorbidities. He works out, eats healthy and so on (I'm only stating this because there's the common misconception that Covid only affects the overweight or those who have some underlying condition).

I am doing just great. I am now playing the role of nurse and I have been working from home for the past 2 years.

I know they say Covid is supposed to be mild for those who are vaccinated, etc. but he's not feeling well - much worse off than he would be with a sinus infection or a flu.

So the lesson here is there is still a lot we don't know about the delta variant and breakthrough infections. Be careful everyone.

[lagomorph777]

1. Lesson: No Trumper is your "friend".

They are deadly. Avoid them if at all possible. MASK UP!

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. +1

[LymphocyteLover]

65. LOL-- true

[BlueMTexpat]

69. Absolutely this! eom

[Dave says]

82. +1

[CentralMass]

2. Stay safe and I hope that your BF makes a speedy recovery

[hlthe2b]

3. Actually, the mild disease (and some rare more severe cases in those with preexisting illness)

are exactly what is to be expected from both the clinical trials and real-world experience, including that of Israel. Given a 95% efficacy in clinical trials against original strains and somewhat less with Delta, with the surge nationwide and more than a 10X increase in infectivity of Delta, this is exactly what we would expect.

It does not mean the vaccine is less effective than we've been "told."

I know it is frustrating and I send my best wishes to your BF for a rapid recovery.

But, perspective, please. This is not unexpected.

Be angry at the willfully ignorant anti-vaxxers who have brought on this surge, making it far more likely to see more breakthrough infections among the responsible, vaccinated.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

6. I know it's not unexpected

but there is that vibe out there that breakthrough infections are rare, when perhaps they are not. While the infection may be indeed mild (note: my BF is not defining how he's feeling as 'mild' at all), I have two people in my sphere (one a friend, the other a work colleague) who have both experienced long-term issues after mild courses of Covid.

That's the other unknown - what are the long term effects of Covid? Both of these women (who were both marathoners) have clotting in their lungs and one has to use an inhaler regularly now.

[hlthe2b]

13. They ARE rare as the data shows. It is that people have a hard time with rates and

take anecdotal reporting far more to heart than the statistics. Symptomatic infection among the fully vaccinated is currently 0.098% of the 156 milllion Americans fully vaccinated. THAT IS RARE.

New CDC data reveals how rare symptomatic breakthrough cases seem to be
Although reports of breakthrough COVID-19 cases occurring among fully vaccinated Americans are garnering much attention, as the country experiences a viral resurgence, new data illustrates just how rare these breakthrough infections are likely to be, and further shows that the vast majority of those becoming severely ill are the unvaccinated.

“While anecdotal cases and clusters can conjure concern around the vaccine, when put in the larger context of how many people have been vaccinated and the sheer volume of cases in the unvaccinated population, we recognize that the vaccines are working and how rare breakthroughs actually are,” said Dr. John Brownstein, the chief innovation officer at Boston Children's Hospital and an ABC News contributor.

With more than 156 million Americans fully vaccinated, nationwide, approximately 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases are estimated to have occurred as of last week, representing approximately 0.098% of those fully vaccinated, according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News. These estimates reflect only the adult population and do not include asymptomatic breakthrough infections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-cdc-data-reveals-how-rare-symptomatic-breakthrough-cases-seem-to-be/ar-AAMzmzN

Substantial vaccination coverage amid increasing COVID-19 case rates are driving an increase in "expected" symptomatic breakthrough infections in recent weeks, the CDC wrote in the document.

[LisaL]

20. What was the rate among the un-vaxxed?

What is the point of reporting this rate for vaxxed without even mentioning what it was for un-vaxxed?

[hlthe2b]

27. I posted link to their surveillance previously, but if 0.098% of fully vaccinated are symptomatic

breakthrough infections and 95-99% of hospitalized are NOT VACCINATED, I think you should be able to reassure yourself and put into perspective.

[LeftInTX]

93. Anyone can purchase a test at a drug store. Health districts and the CDC won't know

This is exactly what my daughter did.

She is not asymptomatic. She has been fully vaccinated since March

[hlthe2b]

94. Those aren't reported nor counted. It is the lab-performed PCR tests that are counted.

Those performed by pharmacies, clinics, mass testing centers, hospitals.

[LeftInTX]

96. Yes and that is why breakthrough infections with mild symptoms are probably not being reported

I took the Binax test last week.....

But just read today that they gave false negatives....

So, I'm scheduled at Walgreens tomorrow...

I sick enough for antibiotics, but was diagnosed with UR infection via zoom. Told her my test was negative.

[hlthe2b]

97. Rapid tests are not sufficiently accurate for surveillance purposes.

So, it is valid for health departments to rely on PCR tests and the information collected. Surveillance systems are not designed to necessarily capture EVERY case when the background prevalence is high, but rather accurately capture trend data.

Cohort studies supplement the original clinical trials (and laboratory studies of neutralizing antibodies) to more precisely show vaccine efficacy against changing variants. Our surveillance systems supplement that, but are designed more for temporal trends.

[Ms. Toad]

100. Those numbers are primarly pre-Delta,

when vaccines are fresh, because the bulk of the infections in December - February, with a second significant clump also coming before Delta.

It is dangerous to expect what happened pre-Delta to continue.

The breakthrough cases for the Delta period are likely to settle out at about 12% of the rate in unvaccinated individuals - since that is how vaccine effectiveness is measured. That is a considerably different picture than using a snapshot in time (largely representative of a different era) to describe what is going on now.

[crimycarny]

26. The definition of "mild" by health experts is not what I would consider mild

I can't find the official link to what CDC describes as "mild", but I found another site from Houston Medical which states:

"Even a mild case of COVID-19 can come with some pretty miserable symptoms, including debilitating headaches, extreme fatigue and body aches that make it feel impossible to get comfortable."

I remember the CDC guidelines being similar for mild: fatigue, headache, fever, muscle aches. In my mind "mild" means symptoms like those of a bad cold. "Mild" in the case of COVID seems to be defined as "not in the hospital". Which in itself is scary but imagine how bad it would be without the vaccine? I firmly believe we'd have millions dead in the US alone had we not gotten the vaccine.

As for your women friends, were they vaccinated or did they get COVID before the vaccine was available? A co-worker of mine (also a woman) got COVID very early on before vaccines were available. She was healthy, in her 40's, exercised regularly. 3 months after COVID she was still unable to take a shower without sitting down. I haven't talked to her in a while (we're all still WFH) but I think she is sloooooowly getting better.

[hlthe2b]

32. When one is sick, no one is going to convince them that their illness is milld. (myself included)

[crimycarny]

101. Agree

I wasn't disputing what CDC and other experts consider "mild", I meant what I would consider mild (basically what you just said).

I would have been panicked if I had some of the symptoms people with breakthrough COVID are experiencing based on what my criteria is for mild. So good to know what's truly considered mild COVID since I'm already a hypochondriac.

[womanofthehills]

49. Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel

TOPLINE Recent data from Israel’s health ministry suggests Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine is far less effective at preventing infection and symptomatic illness with the Delta variant than with previous strains of coronavirus, a finding that conflicts with other research indicating high levels of protection against the contagious variant as countries around the world struggle to contain new waves of infection.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/amp/

[Big Blue Marble]

22. Given your reassurance

how would you explain that in my city we are seeing a signifiant amount of breakthroughs, recently
close to 30% of the cases and rising over the past week as over all cases are rapidly rising?
Our population over 12 is 65.55% fully vaccinated and 75.9% with one shot. One third of the
breakthroughs are in the two thirds vaccinated, not a reassuring number.

[hlthe2b]

28. Easy: Some locales are counting Asymptomatic breakthroughs as well.

CDC is counting SYMPTOMATIC breakthrough infections.

[Crunchy Frog]

58. I thought the CDC were only counting hospitalized and dead as "breakthroughs".

[hlthe2b]

60. They (CDC) are not counting asymptomatic as breaktrhough. They are countng symptomatic,

including non-hospitalized cases among vaccinated as a breakthrough in their surveillance.

The confusion comes (as seen from some anecdotal reporting on this thread) from local health authorities that are counting asymptomatic infections among the vaccinated--mainly from their lab surveillance activities. While we would expect lots of these in areas with surging activity, comparing this to what CDC is reporting (symptomatic breakthrough infections) is misleading at best and is causing a lot of very unnecessary confusion/lack of confidence in the vaccine.

[womanofthehills]

107. CDC - only counting breakthroughhospitalizations and death

The CDC doesn’t count every breakthrough case. It stopped counting all breakthrough cases May 1 and now only tallies those that lead to hospitalization or death, a move the agency was criticized for by health experts. Most Americans have received at least one shot of the two currently authorized mRNA vaccines.

https://www.bing.com/search?PC=SANSAIOS&darkschemeovr=0&form=SWS01E&q=cdc%20only%20counting%20hospital%20and%20death%20breakthroughs&safesearch=moderate&setlang=en-US&setmkt=en-US&ssp=1

[zuul]

4. Oh no! I hope you stay well and your BF's illness is brief.

[Ocelot II]

5. Sorry to hear that, hope he feels better soon.

I have read that what the doctors call "mild" cases sometimes can actually make you feel really crappy; those cases are classified as mild only because they don't need specialized medical treatment or hospitalization. But if you get it you might feel terrible for a few days, like a bad flu. Statistically, breakthrough cases are still uncommon, but no vaccine is 100% effective (the flu vaccines run about 60%), and some vaccinated people will get these "mild" cases. The damn thing will keep spreading as long as there is widespread vaccine avoidance. I hope BF gets over it quickly.

[hlthe2b]

30. The truth is that individuals have a hard time classifying themselves as "mild" or "severe"...

They just know they feel incredibly bad and worse than they'd experienced with typical influenza. That is to be expected. I'd count myself in that camp because when you are sick, all you know is that you are sick. Most of us have experienced that feeling...

[Ocelot II]

36. True; but when you feel like you'd have to get better in order to die, you might feel

a bit insulted if the doctor tells you your case is a mild one just because you don't have to be hospitalized. I got the Hong Kong flu many years ago and felt spectacularly terrible for several days, but I didn't need any medical help, just a lot of sleep. If I'd been as old as I am now, though, it might have done me in. I don't know if it would have been classified as mild, since everybody else in my dorm got just as sick and survived without hospital care.

[Kablooie]

7. NY times reported many more breakthrus than expected.

And people are feeling sicker than expected.
At least the illnesses aren’t severe enough for hospitalization.
Over 65 people will need booster shots soon.

[Treefrog]

8. My bout with Covid was called "mild" too.

104 fever every night and awful body aches, chills etc. “Mild” in this disease is a helluva ride.

Hope he gets better soon.

[LisaL]

18. Yea, they call it "mild" meaning you aren't on the hospital on the vent.

It doesn't necessarily mean you are having a few minor symptoms.

[Treefrog]

23. Yeah, I know. Believe me, I am very grateful.

But it was just about the sickest I’ve ever been, with the possible exception of appendicitis.

I sure don’t want it again. Fully vaxxed and masked if I go to any stores.

[crimycarny]

29. whoa--104?

That had to be absolutely miserable. If you don't mind my asking, how long were you sick for?

[Treefrog]

85. The fever lasted about four days. Usually hovered around 100 or so during the day.

Nighttime it shot up. I was really in bed most of the time anyway from the absolute exhaustion and body pain. I had to put towels on my bed; it was horrible.

Seeing it go that high really scared me, but I never had any breathing difficulties.

Took me about 7 days to be moving around somewhat normally. But really a month till I felt myself.

I’m one of those people who never even gets a cold, so I was knocked for a loop. It was just about this time last year. The chills so bad I went out in 90 degree weather trying to warm up. Really an awful experience. I don’t wish it on anyone.

[crimycarny]

102. That sounds absolutely miserable

Glad it's over with and thanks for detailing your symptoms just in case I or anyone I know gets a breakthrough case. I'm already a bit of a hypochondriac. My husband is even worse, taking his temperature every 30 seconds. He still won't touch the "walk" button on the crosswalks when we go for walks. He uses his foot--yes...he will lift up his leg so he can hit the walk button with his foot. At least he's still flexible (we're in our 60's).

Man oh man I'm so glad for vaccines. Imagine where we'd be today with this Delta variant and no vaccine? Terrifying.

Anyway, glad you are on the mend!

[róisín_dubh]

56. Oh lord! I tested positive this morning...

feels like I have a very mild head cold. I could go running (obviously won't).

[Treefrog]

86. God, no way I could have even walked to the mailbox, but this was before vax obviously.

Take care of yourself! It’s a nasty bug.

[chowder66]

9. I wish I could remember where the article I read was but it said that what is considered mild covid

is actually pretty miserable. It can be like having your worst flu that lasts a while (but keeps you out of the hospital).

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. I have heard the same

This is a nasty virus and even mild cases are nasty

[tblue37]

10. It's still considered mild if he doesn't have to be hospitalized and feels better after a week.

[Celerity]

11. The Israeli study said 39% efficacy for Pfizer, 33% for J&J, against Delta, the 88% was from the UK

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine only 39% effective against Delta variant, claims Israel study

https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-only-39-effective-against-delta-variant-claims-israel-study-10096861.htm

Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are only 39 percent effective in preventing infection and symptomatic illness caused by the Delta variant of coronavirus, Israeli officials said on July 22. The percentage was scaled down from the estimated 64 percent two weeks ago to 39 percent by Israel’s Health Ministry.

Meanwhile, Johnson & Johnson vaccine was found to be 33 percent effective against the Delta variant.

snip

[LisaL]

17. But as it turns out, UK saved Pfizer for younger people (under 40).

So no surprise they got better numbers. Young people respond better to vaccinations.
Also, UK study was done while alpha was still a dominant variant.
Israel used Pfizer for everybody, including old people. Their date is also much more recent.

[Celerity]

24. oh, yes, I was not getting into the pros and cons of either study, just trying to point out

that it was the UK study at 88%m not the Israeli one.

cheers!

[janterry]

43. The other hypothesis is that they (UK) scheduled the second shot

at a much longer interval - and that conferred more protection

(Dr. Campbell did a video on it)

[Big Blue Marble]

14. The more I read the more I realize you are correct.

We are not getting the full story on breakthrough risks with Delta. The data is sill being
collected. At the same time, CDC and public health is not forthcoming with the data
available. Maybe because if they are honest about the breakthroughs, it would provide
rationale for the vaccine hesitant. We, who are vaccinated, need to be able to better
access our level or risk with Delta.

I live in a city with high vaccination rates and our cases have jumped from 2-3 to 86 in about
three weeks with close to 30% of the cases breakthrough. That is not what we were
told would happen.

Thanks for sharing your BF's story Sending you both the best and for him a speedy recovery.

[hlthe2b]

35. Difference in surveillance. One is looking at lab-confirmed asymptomatic infection while

CDC is looking at confirmed symptomatic infection only. Your locale is very likely including data from lab testing among the exposed/asymptomatic as well.

[Big Blue Marble]

39. I am aware of the difference in data presented.

CDC is not sharing the total breakthrough cases nationwide to compare with this local data
and it is too soon to know the impact that this level of breakthrough to those who are
most at risk, the older population and the immune compromised. There is little evidence
in my community that high vaccination rates have significantly reduced the spread of
Delta. We will know more in a few weeks how many of these recent breakthroughs in
these groups will be hospitalized.

[hlthe2b]

41. Yet you have repeatedly posted sensationalized conclusions...

Very very misleading.

[Big Blue Marble]

44. I am not posting anything but what is happening in my city over the last three weeks.

We went from 2 or 3 cases each day three weeks ago to 86 on Friday. A highly vaccinated city who is seeing
a dramatic surge with increased hospitalizations. Close one third of the cases are
vaccinated. These are facts, nothing misleading.

[hlthe2b]

46. Not cases, but infections. Asymptomatic breakthough from lab surveillance does not equal

symptomatic breakthrough cases. You equate apples and oranges to incite--suggesting something nefarious with CDC's data and information release-- and it is irresponsible as hell.

[Big Blue Marble]

50. My health department is reporting cases.

And that is what we had on Friday 86 cases. You can get as mad as you want.
That is the data that they stated.

[hlthe2b]

51. They are counting lab confirmations as cases.

including the asymptomatic. I don't doubt you are seeing increases as most areas across the US are. The issue is not drawing vaccination efficacy conclusions from two vary different methods of surveillance.

[Big Blue Marble]

55. And you have no idea whether they are asymptomatic or not.

At this point since our cases are rising so dramatically and our positivity rates are also rising
dramatically, Our public health officials think there are a lot of cases being missed,
both symptomatic or active which is accelerating our spread.

[hlthe2b]

61. When you have provided the data that shows otherwise, I'll be happy to read it, but

my decades of experience tells me otherwise.

[liberal_mama]

109. It's the same in my county. We had a few cases a day, then about 10 days ago, cases started climbing

Our county executive said we have 78 new cases today.

[radius777]

108. Agree, and the CDC is a political institution

that has an interest in underreporting and/or having a narrow and literalistic view... similar to how local gov'ts underreport crime statistics.

The vaccines have some protection against Delta but nowhere as strong as against the original variants.

The takeaway is that to be safe, one should get vaxxed and mask up indoors.

[Tadpole Raisin]

42. Since Fauci said they

Are considering another mask mandate or at least it’s on the table, you know the data they are getting now on these breakthrough cases (I believe) is getting increasingly worrisome and probably resembling the Israeli data.

Ugh!!!

[Big Blue Marble]

45. Yes that is what I think too.

We have been watching the masking messaging shift as they are getting prepared to
go back to recommending masking of the vaccinated.

[LisaL]

15. Israeli study said Pfizer was 39% effective against Delta, not 88%.

Going out to dinner with un-vaccinated friends from other states is not a good idea.

[hlthe2b]

19. 88% effective against hospitalization and 91% against severe illness.

The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

[LisaL]

21. That still means shitload of people are going to get breakthrough infections.

And what they call mild isn't what mild usually means to a lay person.

[hlthe2b]

25. No. It is rare. CDC just reviewed and showed that SYMPTOMATIC Breakthrough infections 0.098%

of the 156 million fully vaccinated Americans. That may change in the future, but right now that is the very definition of RARE! https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

Please, perspective, Lisa L. You've been evidence-based and not bent to the hysteria on this site thus far. I hope you continue to be.

New CDC data reveals how rare symptomatic breakthrough cases seem to be
Although reports of breakthrough COVID-19 cases occurring among fully vaccinated Americans are garnering much attention, as the country experiences a viral resurgence, new data illustrates just how rare these breakthrough infections are likely to be, and further shows that the vast majority of those becoming severely ill are the unvaccinated.

“While anecdotal cases and clusters can conjure concern around the vaccine, when put in the larger context of how many people have been vaccinated and the sheer volume of cases in the unvaccinated population, we recognize that the vaccines are working and how rare breakthroughs actually are,” said Dr. John Brownstein, the chief innovation officer at Boston Children's Hospital and an ABC News contributor.

With more than 156 million Americans fully vaccinated, nationwide, approximately 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases are estimated to have occurred as of last week, representing approximately 0.098% of those fully vaccinated, according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News. These estimates reflect only the adult population and do not include asymptomatic breakthrough infections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-cdc-data-reveals-how-rare-symptomatic-breakthrough-cases-seem-to-be/ar-AAMzmzN

Substantial vaccination coverage amid increasing COVID-19 case rates are driving an increase in "expected" symptomatic breakthrough infections in recent weeks, the CDC wrote in the document.

[Pobeka]

37. Saw that too. Open question in my mind is how this will change with Delta ,,,

... Delta being a newcomer on the scene (relatively)

As fast as Delta is spreading we'll probably know in a few weeks.

[Tadpole Raisin]

53. One concern (hah!) I have

And I know we are talking apples and oranges BUT
Post polio happened decades after a polio infection (20-50% of cases?)
And chicken pox hangs out near your spine and travels along the nerve to specific locations if you get shingles.

What is the possibility or concern that COVID (or maybe just a specific variant) could end up having long term sequellae well after the disease passes - whether you have long haul syndrome or not.
Can they even fathom this possibility at this point?

I’m concerned about the blood clot issue as well as the wide variety of symptoms this disease has. I’m not panicking but I’m not going to wait for the answer before instituting precautions

[hlthe2b]

59. With varicella, the infection remains hidden (latent). Wth polio, the belief is that it is a

result of both the original damage and possibly a reactivated autoimmune response that results in post-polio syndrome. Less likely is that polio in some individuals remains latent (never documented, certainly) but remains a less likely hypothesis.

So, given the amount of lung and cardiac damage in many and the evidence that much COVID-19 damage may be the result of the immune system's response, there is a possibility we could see something like this over many years/decades and long-hauler syndrome might well be its precursor. That clinical aspect is clearly in need of considerable follow-up and study. I agree.

[greenjar_01]

31. His friend was likely shedding a massive viral load at the dinner

By the way, his friend is a dangerous idiot.

[LisaL]

33. Un-vaxxed, not feeling well, going out to dinner.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

[greenjar_01]

34. Seriously!

[LymphocyteLover]

66. Right? Some fuckin' people!

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

92. We didn't know he wasn't feeling well

except for a comment he made at dinner. My BF didn't even know he is anti-vaxx until I showed him his Facebook posts.

[ecstatic]

103. +1000. nt

[Random Boomer]

52. Bingo!

This wasn't a passing encounter with someone with Covid-19, it was a close-quarters, prolonged contact immersion in virus.

[Strelnikov_]

57. That's my theory also

Overwhelmed the vic's system with a mass of virus.

[wryter2000]

38. So sorry this happened to you guys

I'm thinking the trip to AZ I was hoping to make is out of the question. Damn. I'm not going indoors anywhere without a mask. Damn, damn.

I want the booster!

[Meowmee]

40. Sorry he had bt and is not well

I hope he will feel better asap and that he has no long lasting effects. I recommend vit d, high doses of vit c and zinc. Don’t hesitate to get to the doc etc. if needed.

The lesson here is that vaccinated people still need to wear masks(kn95/n95)
That would have stopped him from getting a bt infection in most situations. As for how to classify how bad it is, mild has apparently been classified by some now as anything that does not bring and admit you to hospital or cause death which is not accurate at all.

I had what would have been called a “moderate” case early on in the pandemic but with double pneumonia, I had severe back pain for 1.5 months and more and lasting pain now 1.6 yr later, worse asthma, exhaustion and hair loss. It brought me to the er twice, the second time 3-4 weeks in with high bp and sinus tachycardia.

It doesn’t matter how rare a bt case is if you are the unlucky one to have one and you can transmit covid to others as well and contribute to the spread and development of existing and new variants.

You can also unfortunately have long lasting effects with any covid infection.

[Texaswitchy]

70. The zinc part is good.

I take Wellness Formula.

Boosts your immune system.

It as like 30 ingredients in it.

Been taking it for long time.

No colds or flu.

[Meowmee]

110. Sounds good...I only take zinc if very ill which for me was covid

Due to stomach upset. All of the above helped save me during double c pneumonia so recommend it all as well as lysine. Vit c specifically for pneumonia. Z pack and blood thinner also played a big role. In addition OP tell your husband to check pulse ox to make sure it is not dropping too much as well as bp etc.

[roamer65]

47. Time to mask up again, folks.

[Duppers]

80. +100

[madville]

48. We have had 5 test positive this week at work

That's out of the 28 people that work there. Two are unvaccinated, one has the J&J, two have the Pfizer vaccine. Everyone doing fine so far, just mild symptoms, mild fever, etc. One of the Pfizer guys has type II diabetes and is overweight, hopefully the vaccine keeps him safe.

I'm off a few days with my schedule, I'll probably swing by CVS tomorrow and get a test done, I don't trust the rapid tests at work, a couple of the folks were negative on them and then positive on their real test a couple hours later done at a testing site.

I have the J&J vaccine and am in good health and at a good weight, not too concerned for myself but I bet the way this Delta variant is spreading like wildfire and it being so contagious, all of us there are gonna get it over the next couple of months, either at work or around town.

[roamer65]

54. Wouldn't be a friend to me anymore...

After I punched him in the face.

Asshole spreader.

This is prime example of why people need to ostracize any anti-vaxxers around them and be very careful around the immunocompromised.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

62. I am so sorry.

My takeaway is not to spend any time at all with unvaccinated jerks.

[Maggiemayhem]

63. Thanks for posting and it seems members are having breakthroughs, but

I am not clear who has positive Covid tests. I think anyone who posts about breakthrough can post whether or not they had an official test to confirm. Remember the positive patients can infect children 11 and under.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

64. So glad you guys have been vaccinated.

Please keep us informed of his progress. Take care (of him and yourself).

[LymphocyteLover]

67. any word on how the "friend" is doing?

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

104. Not having a lot of fun

He says it's as bad as the worst flu he's ever had

[LymphocyteLover]

105. I would imagine so-- thanks

[Historic NY]

68. You know which vaccine we hear little about is Moderna

they had some production problems and most are the side effects.

[Texaswitchy]

71. I had Moderna.

No side effects.

None.

[beaglelover]

72. I was just a bit tired the afternoon of the day following the day of my 2nd dose.

Was absolutely fine the next day.

[Texaswitchy]

74. All I had was a little bit of a sore upper arm

Just lasted day.

Both shots.

[beaglelover]

77. Yeah, forgot about the sore arm after both vaccines. No biggie went away after a few days.

[Texaswitchy]

81. I was ready for something to happen

Never did.

Not complaining.

[roamer65]

73. Moderna's dose is also higher.

That’s one of reasons I wanted it.

I wanted the vaccine to kick my immune system right in the ass.

[LisaL]

75. I also had moderna.

[roamer65]

84. ..

[Historic NY]

76. My Rx called me when the had an extra shot....

he said it was the best, just a sore arm and I needed a nap after working all day with the second.

[Texaswitchy]

79. I heard it was best.

The waiting list was long for the first one.

The second one was easy, just the next day CVS.

[Texaswitchy]

78. I wanted it to.

Had to get on a waiting list but it was worth it.

[roamer65]

83. 100mcg versus 30mcg for Pfizer.

That’s why Moderna folks may see more side effects, but the dose definitely makes the immune system react as desired.

I am hearing that the Moderna booster may be a half dose.

[Texaswitchy]

87. I will be the first in line for the booster.

CVS had both vaccines.

The city health department had just the one.

It felt good to have the shots.

[LisaL]

95. I hope we are allowed boosters sooner rather than later.

We clearly need boosters to fight delta.

[LisaL]

88. They likely didn't need to go as high.

Apparently at the start of clinical trials they tested 25, 100, and 250 mcg doses.
25 was to little to cause a large immune response, and 250 was giving too many side effects. So they went with 100. 50 likely would have been more than enough.
But I also figured I could use more mRNA.

[Texaswitchy]

89. I talked to a pharmacist and she said go with this one.

No complaints.

[LisaL]

90. I wanted either Pfizer or Moderna.

Moderna is what pharmacy next to me had. No complaints either.

[Texaswitchy]

91. The city health department only had Moderna.

So they were a long line of cars.

Only took maybe 30 minutes from start to finish.

[roamer65]

98. Civil case?

I think vaccinated folks should start suing the unvaccinated ones for negligence.

[KewlKat]

99. Didn't President Biden get the Pfizer and VP Harris get the Moderna?

I hope they are really watching them both with all the traveling and of course our 1st Lady and 2nd Gentleman.

[JCMach1]

106. Be careful I was feeling like bad flu for 8 days not even

Any coughing, but then the bottom dropped out and the O2 dropped and I found myself in hospital fighting for my life

Use oximeter frequently and don't wait too late to go to the hospital.

End of lecture ...


And damn, I hope all is well all the sooner ...!