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just told me he was threatened for trying to advocate for the vaccine. Apparently some churches are saying it is made with aborted fetuses.
Let me be clear here: a guitarist just threatened a cast member to hit him over the head with his guitar if he continued to promote getting vaccinated.
Effed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)is produced using fetal cell lines descended from an abortion. Both of these abortions were performed decades ago, and the cell lines are used for a wide variety of testing, development and production.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)the god bothering wankers should reject all pharmaceuticals involved with said cell lines.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)Celerity
(43,262 posts)https://www.cacatholic.org/CCC-vaccine-moral-acceptability
Vaccine development and production over the last several decades has often relied upon some cell lines that regrettably were originally developed from cells obtained from two fetuses that were aborted in the 70s and 80s. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not dependent on these cell lines. They were developed using different technology relying on ribonucleic acid (RNA) from the virus itself. Even though the vaccines may have been tested using compromised cell lines, this does not establish a connection between the vaccine recipient and the abortion. Consequently, use of these vaccines is ethically sound.
Other vaccines in development (including AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson) have been developed from compromised cell lines. The specific moral questions are whether a recipient of these COVID-19 vaccines developed from such cell lines is morally complicit in the original abortions, and whether use of the vaccine will lead others to have abortions. According to Catholic moral teaching and tradition, it is morally unacceptable for an individual or institution to contribute to and influence an immoral act committed by another in a way that shows they approve or intend the immoral act. It is also wrong for them to contribute components that are essential to the immoral act, even if they do not intend the act of the other, and to lead others by example to engage in an immoral act.
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"All vaccinations recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive the morality of vaccination depends not only on the duty to protect one's own health, but also on the duty to pursue the common good."
"In the absence of other means to stop or even prevent the epidemic, the common good may recommend vaccination, especially to protect the weakest and most exposed."
Thus, the California Catholic Conference strongly encourages Catholics to receive a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine for the sake of oneself, our loved ones, and the common good.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)in fact if he says the vaccine is acceptable, that's enough to put them off it, lol.
Celerity
(43,262 posts)Pope/Catholics or no Pope/Catholics, when applied to the Pfizer and the Moderna mMRNA vaccines.
If they insist it doesn't then they are just gaslighting to avoid the vax.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)want no part of it. The cells used for testing (and, for J&J, production) came from fetal cell lines that were acquired from abortions decades ago. For some, that's still too close.
(Also, they're not gaslighting, they're just not arguing in good faith. Or, they're lying.)
Celerity
(43,262 posts)order to con people that they are taking some 'moral' high road
Aristus
(66,310 posts)Color me shocked...
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Jim G.
(14,811 posts)When will people realize that some people are just posting for gain. It saddens me when I see people swallowing and funding grift.
Jim G.
(14,811 posts)By just touching one place, everyone here isn't aware of the full picture.
And many good-hearted people here take things at face value unfortunately.
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demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)that would make me sad
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)When Andy Williams died.
maxsolomon
(33,283 posts)No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells.
However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.
But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.
Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.
canetoad
(17,148 posts)Or just ordinary clear?