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DOJ Siezes "Epic Of Gilgamesh" from Hobby Lobby (Original Post) Initech Jul 2021 OP
Not this guy's first rodeo stealing middle eastern artifacts..crook!! PortTack Jul 2021 #1
Hobby Robby lame54 Jul 2021 #5
Good one! calimary Jul 2021 #11
Dang, I hope they didn't decoupage that tablet. tanyev Jul 2021 #2
Good one! Dream Girl Jul 2021 #17
K&R UTUSN Jul 2021 #3
I thought the headline referred to a paperback edition DavidDvorkin Jul 2021 #4
Museum of the Bible bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #6
A Bible museum is a good idea. The one that's opening is not. Celerity Jul 2021 #22
I remember hearing about Gilgamesh.... FarPoint Jul 2021 #7
Probably stolen when the US invaded Iraq for no good reason. rickyhall Jul 2021 #8
Yes, at the time I remember reading articles about Doremus Jul 2021 #13
yup. i knew someone at the oriental institute of the u of chicago. mopinko Jul 2021 #21
Just told our youngest today Pas-de-Calais Jul 2021 #9
Epic!! Carlitos Brigante Jul 2021 #10
This RWNJ Outfit GB_RN Jul 2021 #12
Hobby Lobby Had To Know It Was Stolen DallasNE Jul 2021 #14
Because the auction house is liable for selling it to them. Galraedia Jul 2021 #16
Christianity and the Bible witnessed, honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by th keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #15
I hope they paid 100 x what it was worth. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #18
Does this mean the gov is going to put it in a warehouse somewhere now? ansible Jul 2021 #19
To Hobby Lobby: 8th Commandment -- Thou shall not steal. NCjack Jul 2021 #20
Slobby Lobby strikes out Blue Owl Jul 2021 #23
Why would Hobby Lobby want to have the literary work from which most of Biblical tales joetheman Jul 2021 #24
Why would evangelicals want wnylib Jul 2021 #25

DavidDvorkin

(19,499 posts)
4. I thought the headline referred to a paperback edition
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 07:59 PM
Jul 2021

And couln't see why the DOJ would seize it. I didn't realize it was the real thing? A first edition, one might say.

Celerity

(43,633 posts)
22. A Bible museum is a good idea. The one that's opening is not.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:01 PM
Jul 2021
The controversial Hobby Lobby-backed Museum of the Bible is not the Bible museum we need.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/17/16658504/bible-museum-hobby-lobby-green-controversy-antiquities



This Friday, one of the most controversial new museums in recent memory will open to the public: Washington, DC’s Museum of the Bible, a gargantuan, 430,000-square-foot, $500 million building just off the National Mall. With six stories’ worth of exhibits — from fragments of ancient Near Eastern texts to personal Bibles of major figures in the American civil rights movement — the museum purports to tell the story of the Bible’s creation and dissemination, of how stories of one tribe of ancient Israelites, rooted in their place and time, became stories of profound and personal significance for so many.

But will it be successful?

Certainly, the Museum of the Bible’s current stated mission — “to invite all people to engage with the Bible” — is a worthy one. Regardless of your faith tradition (or lack thereof), the Bible is an important cultural document, and one whose history and influence should be explored. And there is no other museum of the same scale devoted to any kind of religious history in America.

But the way in which the museum’s founders have routinely disregarded basic principles of academic inquiry should make would-be visitors very, very cautious.

Telling the story of the Bible authentically means thinking critically: being willing to engage with difficult and often contradictory narratives. (Even among respected academics in the field, you can find as many different and well-argued accounts of the composition of each book of the Bible as you can find scholars.) It means engaging respectfully and carefully with both texts and artefacts and doing methodical analysis. All of which the museum’s primary backers have, thus far, failed to do.

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Amid Scrutiny, the Museum of the Bible’s Founder Will Return a Staggering 11,500 Artifacts of Dubious Origin to the Middle East

Hobby Lobby tycoon Steve Green founded the museum.

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/museum-of-bible-founder-returns-more-ancient-artifacts-1819623

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
13. Yes, at the time I remember reading articles about
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:39 PM
Jul 2021

pallets of rare artifacts being shipped out of the country to millionaires/billionaires around the world.

And pallets of American dollars that went south too. Hello Eric Prince.

mopinko

(70,276 posts)
21. yup. i knew someone at the oriental institute of the u of chicago.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:58 PM
Jul 2021

helped him raise some money so they could digitize photos of artifacts from the baghdad museum.
they had pics of most of the collection and their photos stopped a whole lot of things from being sold.
iirc, interpol uses their database.

Pas-de-Calais

(9,911 posts)
9. Just told our youngest today
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jul 2021

On the various reasons for my dislike for HL. At 1st she went right to the anti lgbqt LH has. I agreed, then brought up its lawsuit against ACA for birth control. She knew about that too via her HS AP History class.
Then I brought this up. Finally I had one she didn’t hear about. Told her history on this piece. She thought is was ‘crappy’ for them to do this.
Now I can tell her its going home,,,

GB_RN

(2,391 posts)
12. This RWNJ Outfit
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jul 2021

Should be shut down for being a scam front for his arts/antiquities theft business.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
14. Hobby Lobby Had To Know It Was Stolen
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:44 PM
Jul 2021

So why are there no criminal charges filed? Money should not buy his way out of justice.

Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
16. Because the auction house is liable for selling it to them.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:54 PM
Jul 2021

Hobby Lobby simply loses any money they paid for it.

keithbvadu2

(36,981 posts)
15. Christianity and the Bible witnessed, honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by th
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jul 2021
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029293684

http://www.newsweek.com/hobby-lobby-iraq-antiquities-evangelicals-632434

Christianity and the Bible witnessed, honored, enhanced, exemplified, glorified and displayed by theft and fraud by the Hobby Lobby Museum..

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
18. I hope they paid 100 x what it was worth.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

Nothing makes me happier than these asswipes losing mucho dinero. 😉

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
20. To Hobby Lobby: 8th Commandment -- Thou shall not steal.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 09:43 PM
Jul 2021

Didn't your parents, Sunday school teachers, and pastors teach you that?

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
24. Why would Hobby Lobby want to have the literary work from which most of Biblical tales
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:09 PM
Jul 2021

were based? Some even claim that it is source of most of the stories in the Christian Bible...that throws a lot of shade on the Christian Bible.

wnylib

(21,692 posts)
25. Why would evangelicals want
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 10:14 PM
Jul 2021

Gilgamesh for their Bible museum? They are literalists regarding Biblical stories. The Epic of Gilgamesh demonstrates that the Bible was not the original source of the great flood story. Since Gilgamesh is older than the Bible and Israelites were captives of Babylon, the flood story comes from there and was tweaked for the Bible.

Or, maybe they ignore the historical timeline evidence and claim that Gilgamesh "proves" the Biblical flood story because another culture had a similar story.

There's a flaw in using the flood stories of other cultures to support the evangelical belief in the literal "truth" of the Bible. The Bible says that only Noah and his family survived. So where did the flood heroes of other stories come from and who were the other survivors who told the story?

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