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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:51 AM Jul 2021

Some Dems Didn't Want To Certify The 2004 Kerry Loss Because Of Ohio - Not The Same

The Republicans are complaining about Dems not wanting to certify the 2004 election.

Here is why.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503

I truly think Kerry won Ohio. I thought it then, and I believe it now.

He should have went to the wall with forensic vote counting instead of folding.

https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-ohio-rn-just-count-the-ballots-at-the-back-of-the-bus/

Kerry won, and should have fought.

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Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
1. Jennifer Cohn, attorney and elections security expert, agrees with you.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:56 AM
Jul 2021

Kerry won.

Gore won.

Hillary may have won. I can't remember the data on that right now.

follow Jenny on twitter @jennycohn1

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
4. The last legitimately-elected republican president was Ike
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:43 AM
Jul 2021

Even Reagan's "landslide" was engineered by his secret dealings with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election. The Iranians actually wanted to release them shortly after they were taken.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
3. I Can't Say What I Thought About Kerry At The Time
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:19 AM
Jul 2021

I don't want a DU strike against me complaining about Democrats.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
7. i'll never forgive him either.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 07:39 AM
Jul 2021

i got the news that he was packing up at the end of a verrrry long and demoralizing day in the art world.
it was a double whammy.

and i aint forgettin that he took our $42m in donations to fight w him, either.

Rhiannon12866

(205,213 posts)
5. I agree and I still remember this article by Greg Palast:
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 03:48 AM
Jul 2021
Kerry Won: Here are The Facts

by Greg Palast November 4, 2004

A special Greg Palast Investigation for TomPaine.com

I know you don’t want to hear it. You can’t face one more hung chad. But I don’t have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it’s my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN’s exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with — and therefore contaminated by — the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio’s male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what’s going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, “Who did you vote for?” Unfortunately, they don’t ask the crucial, question, “Was your vote counted?” The voters don’t know.

Here’s why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See, “An Election Spoiled Rotten,” November 1.]

Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I’m sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.

The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called “spoilage.” Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don’t you believe it… it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.

Much more: https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-rnheres-the-facts/

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
8. But no Dems anywhere tried to organize a terrorist mob to sack the capitol...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 08:16 AM
Jul 2021

...and capture or kill legislators to prevent the certification.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
9. Right. We complained
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 08:23 AM
Jul 2021

and talked about it among ourselves and then we got back to work as we always do.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
10. Kerry didn't win Ohio...I talked to the Ohio Democratic Party head about it.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 08:25 AM
Jul 2021

Rigged voting machines were as much a fantasy then as they are now.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
11. It's well know that all modern Republicans wins are the result of stolen elections
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 09:29 AM
Jul 2021

You would have to go back to 1988 to find a legitimate Republican win.

If it weren't for several losses we were cheated out of, we would have won every single election 1992 through 2020.

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