Can someone please recount the 2000 Florida ballots ?

[rickford66]

There's all this newfangled technology available to detect bamboo, watermarks and folds. There must be a chad detector on Ebay or Amazon by now.

[bluedevil4]

1. The pregnant chad

I never forgot that one

[StClone]

4. Sorry but...I never found any of the 2000 Election Theft/Coup funny

Nor the media making the theft of the 2000 Election a joke. Hanging chads, pregnant chads, guys looking cross-eyed at the ballots, and then the Brooks Brothers Riot! They made it all a circus and here we are in the shadow of it.

[wnylib]

12. Don't forget the advice we got

from the Bush supporters to "just get over it."

20 years later, which party just can't get over it?

[StClone]

23. Telling isn't it? "Get over it" when they steal, cheat, lie

And here they go again . Their monied backers really want to always win.

[Ferrets are Cool]

14. It was and still is sickening

AFAIC, it was the beginning of the loss of our Democracy. I still hold out hope, however misguided that hope may be.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

24. This so this, freaking thieves !

and we got the Roberts court from the Rehnquist court. a one off court case from a totally activist court and R's didn't say one word about that Garbage decision!

[roamer65]

2. The dimpled chad.

Ugh. I wish Al Gore had gone for a entire recount of FL.

[StClone]

3. Don't forget "forensic election audit."

Here in WI they aren't just recounting a long concluded election looking for that old standard of getting the most votes. No! Cyclops Ninny-jas will attack the problem with a forensic election audit handed to them from a superior alien race from the foreign world of Orangetanopia.

[WHITT]

5. Actually

A media conglomeration hired people to come in and count the ballots at the warehouse where they are stored. Utilizing the Florida standards, the Texas standards(that's what the Bushies originally proposed), and another one I've forgotten, and Gore won.

[former9thward]

25. No, the media found Bush would have won with most scenarios.

Media Recount: Bush Won the 2000 Election

In the first full study of Florida’s ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled “undervotes” — ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through — to be counted.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/media-jan-june01-recount_04-03

[WHITT]

26. That Wasn't The Full Recount

That was only 60K votes.

[former9thward]

28. Well then you post the links to support what you said.

[WHITT]

31. I Don't Really Have The Time

right now to dig up something from two decades ago that I lived through in real time and already know occurred. If you want to learn more about it yourself, you can do the research if you have the time.

[former9thward]

32. I am not going to do research on claims which I know to be untrue.

It took me 30 seconds to find the information from PBS. But you don't have the time....

[WHITT]

34. I'm Good With It

You know it to be untrue and I know it to be true, and what you're hanging your hat on only involved a measly 60K ballots.

[former9thward]

35. I am hanging my hat on what PBS reported.

You are hanging your hat on .....

[questionseverything]

36. The link you posted said it didn't include the hundred thousand over votes

And those hundred thousand were only from the counties the article addresses

Lance dehaven smith was the guy that first realized the huge overvote total….it was a huge ap article the same day gore conceded

Bradblog reported on it in depth at the time

When the entire state was counted by the press gore won

[former9thward]

38. Where is the link to your last sentence?

[questionseverything]

39. I can't post a link on my phone Srry but

I named two sources

And your link does confirm 100,000 overvotes

Writing in gore’s name after voting at the regular spot made it an over vote but the intent was clear

Happened a lot in aa neighborhoods

[Ritabert]

6. Hanging chads were the least of the problem

There were 10,000 spoiled ballots in Duval County due to faulty instructions. If you actually followed the instructions you ended up voting for two people for President invalidating your ballot. 9000 people voted for Pat Buchanan in Palm Beach county due to the butterfly ballot which had never been seen before. Some poll worker went home with ballots in central Florida. A police checkpoint was set up on a road to the polls in a predominately black precinct in northern Florida. How many people turned around and went home?

[Mrs. Claw]

7. Thin scar

unpleasant salt.

[Whiskeytide]

8. I'm thinking about starting a cyber forensic audit of the 2008 election. If every ...

… Тяцмр voter would send me $20, I’ll get right on it.

[Jeebo]

9. The overvote ballots were suspicious.

As I recall, the post-election media recount revealed a curious anomaly in the Florida 2000 vote. Of the overvote ballots in the state -- that is, the ballots on which there were two or more votes for president -- ALL of the Bush/Gore overvote ballots were in the counties where the voter had to punch through a hole. None of them were in counties where the voter had to fill in an oval. Weird, huh?

A plausible theory to explain this anomaly: Suppose that on election night there were some ballots being held back until very late, to see how many needed to be fixed to make sure Bush won. Where would you be holding those ballots back? You would choose counties that are heavily Democratic, to spoil a lot of Gore votes, and you also would choose ballots that would be easy to fix very quickly at the last minute. Filling in ovals would take a lot of time, because you would have to fix them one ballot at a time. But punch-hole ballots could be fixed en masse very quickly, by simply stacking up a lot of ballots and punching through the Bush hole in one fell swoop. That would leave the Bush votes unchanged, but turning the Gore votes into ... Bush/Gore overvote ballots!

I have believed ever since then that that's what happened on election night 2000. They waited until very late and then, when it was tissue-paper close, they knew just how many of those punch-card ballots in those south Florida counties to stack up and punch through the Bush hole. Which would explain why the results from those south Florida counties did not come in until very late, and also the reason for the Bush/Gore overvote anomaly.

It's been a long time since I read through the article below. It is a long article and I'm not going to take the time to read through it again now, but y'all might find it interesting.

-- Ron

http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=1220

[Ritabert]

10. That makes sense

Bush only won by 500+ votes.

[questionseverything]

22. Overvotes were ballots that punched gore and wrote in gore

Were thrown out

Voter intent,which was the standard was clearly gore

Of 275,000 overvotes 2/3 were for gore

[Jeebo]

27. You're talking about a specific kind of overvote ballot.

You're talking about ballots where the voter voted for Gore and also wrote in his name. As I recall, the machines discarded those as overvote ballots when they really weren't, because they clearly were Gore votes. But it took a human vote counter to see that.

I'm talking about another specific kind of overvote ballot, ones that contained a vote for Bush, and also a vote for Gore. And as I noted, it's odd that all of them were in punch card counties. Or at least, that's what the post-election media recount showed.

Al Gore won the 2000 election. I know he did.

-- Ron

[questionseverything]

37. Yes gore won

I was just explaining how some of the overvotes happened

[ElementaryPenguin]

33. EXACTLY right! Gore won Florida by around 100,000 votes

THAT'S what Fat Tony Scallia's Extreme Supreme Court stopped!

[PufPuf23]

11. If Gore had correctly won Florida in 2000, the USA and

World would be a different place today.

What a naïve country we were in 2000.

[Polybius]

29. Probably no 9/11, since Gore would have likely stopped them

After that though, who knows? I'm sure another Republican would have won by 2004 or 2008.

[rickyhall]

13. That election really was stolen.

And there was an insurrection in Florida.

[dchill]

15. You got that right!

[thenelm1]

16. I've never gotten over the fact that the whole thing came down to Florida.

I mean the whole conflict of interest of having little brother and his state admin involved in the counting of the votes should have raised questions all over the yard. The minute it was determined that there were issues in that state should have initiated a complete recount by an independent outside commission of equal Repub/Dem representation to eliminate any questions. End of story. Particularly after the whole Delay "Brooks Brothers" mob fiasco. One or the other, the fix was in.

[MontanaMama]

17. While you're at it...

Recount Kentucky.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. And 2004! !!!!!!

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Didn't the Supreme Court stop the recount??

[czarjak]

20. We Was Robbed, and they want to gloat about it? PAYBACK

[certainot]

21. it's still the SAME FUCKING THING! roger stone bragged in an interview how he used rw talk radio

to sell all that 2000 shit. limbaugh told 50 mil a week about hanging chads

and now trumpism rots with limbaugh and the analysts and media have no clue

[UTUSN]

30. Hah! - *excellent*!

[Ani Yun Wiya]

40. 2000 Florida ballots

Odd thing about that situation.
Can anyone think of a reason why only five counties in that state had tallies that were the same as those certified by State SOE. and the other 62 did not?