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Nevilledog

(51,063 posts)
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:09 PM Jul 2021

Simone Biles said she got the 'twisties.' Gymnasts immediately understood.



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In the Olympic team final, Simone Biles planned to perform a 2½-twisting vault, but her mind stalled after just 1½ twists: “I had no idea where I was in the air. I could have hurt myself.”

This is what “the twisties” are and why they're so dangerous:

Simone Biles said she got the ‘twisties.’ Gymnasts immediately understood.
When Simone Biles mentioned the "twisties" after withdrawing from the Olympics team final, some were confused, while gymnasts gasped. So what are the "twisties" and why are they so dangerous?
washingtonpost.com
4:13 AM · Jul 28, 2021


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/07/28/twisties-gymnastics-simone-biles-tokyo-olympics/

But then suddenly you’re upside down in midair and your brain feels disconnected from your body. Your limbs that usually control how much you spin have stopped listening, and you feel lost. You hope all the years you spent in this sport will guide your body to a safe landing position.

When Simone Biles pushed off the vaulting table Tuesday, she entered that terrifying world of uncertainty. In the Olympic team final, Biles planned to perform a 2½-twisting vault, but her mind chose to stall after just 1½ twists.

“I had no idea where I was in the air,” Biles said. “I could have hurt myself.”

Biles, who subsequently withdrew from the team competition and then the all-around final a day later, described what went wrong during that vault as “having a little bit of the twisties.”

The cute-sounding term, well-known in the gymnastics community, describes a frightening predicament. When gymnasts have the “twisties,” they lose control of their bodies as they spin through the air. Sometimes they twist when they hadn’t planned to. Other times they stop midway through as Biles did. And after experiencing the twisties once, it’s very difficult to forget. Instinct gets replaced by thought. Thought quickly leads to worry. Worry is difficult to escape.

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Simone Biles said she got the 'twisties.' Gymnasts immediately understood. (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2021 OP
In so many of these extreme sports you lose concentration for 1/2 second and things go very badly... PoliticAverse Jul 2021 #1
Yes. Blue_true Jul 2021 #3
A retired male gymnast explained what the Twisties is. Blue_true Jul 2021 #2
It's like the "yips" in golf, except... LudwigPastorius Jul 2021 #4
Same with tennis. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #7
That's always boggled my brain... IcyPeas Jul 2021 #5
It's actually thinking too much localroger Jul 2021 #6
this is correct ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #11
The Twisties is when the muscle memory forgets TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #15
I haven't seen this mentioned at all, and it's likely a totally unrealistic expectation, but... thenelm1 Jul 2021 #8
Such a perfect example of how two ideas can converge Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #9
CNN discussion last night. moondust Jul 2021 #10
A bad fall can easily break your neck IronLionZion Jul 2021 #12
Yep, Julissa Gomez and Elena Mukhina both broke their necks. LeftInTX Jul 2021 #14
Except with the yips you can't break your neck. Jon King Jul 2021 #13

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. In so many of these extreme sports you lose concentration for 1/2 second and things go very badly...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jul 2021

(but then I am reminded of the time I got briefly distracted and ran into the front of the vaulting horse).

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
3. Yes.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:16 PM
Jul 2021

Last week a bungee cord diver in Brazil misheard a minor instruction from the instructor and ended up dead.

If Biles didn’t withdraw, she could have ended up crippling herself for life. She is a very young woman who still has the most important years ahead of her.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
2. A retired male gymnast explained what the Twisties is.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:15 PM
Jul 2021

His point is that when a Gymnast get that sensation, two things happen. First while in the routine, the Gymnast loses spatial awareness and is lucky to not get seriously injured. Second, even if the Gymnast doesn’t get hurt, the person loses confidence and starts thinking instead of instinctively doing a routine, at the speed of the routine, the thinking can lead to serious injury.

LudwigPastorius

(9,128 posts)
4. It's like the "yips" in golf, except...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:18 PM
Jul 2021

instead of just hitting a bad shot, you could break your freaking neck.

Simone Biles owes us nothing.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. Same with tennis.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jul 2021

Only you just miss a few, or a lot, of serves, and maybe lose a match. I have a niece, run dozens of marathons, one race she hits the wall at mile 14, just can’t go on. These things happen.

Neck and other body parts intact.

IcyPeas

(21,856 posts)
5. That's always boggled my brain...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:21 PM
Jul 2021

...that they know where their bodies are in the air and how many twists they've done.

Same go for some of the dives.

localroger

(3,625 posts)
6. It's actually thinking too much
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:36 PM
Jul 2021

When you are executing a physical maneuver like this, you have to rely on muscle memory. Conscious thought over-interpreting the situation interferes with that. You have to be able to let go, and if you can't because you're distracted it can prevent all that skill from coming out when you need it. There are many other situations in other occupations where something like the "twisties" can endanger you.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
15. The Twisties is when the muscle memory forgets
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:18 PM
Jul 2021

Yes, it is more likely to happen if the gymnast is under a lot of pressure, but it can happen to any gymnast at any time.

Once I read about it I understood. I once had something like the Twisties while driving. I believe it was a reaction to some new medication I was taking at the time. It was a couple of years ago and I had been driving for over 40 years. Everything that was normally automatic, like pressing on the accelerator or the brake pedal, suddenly wasn't automatic anymore. I had to consciously think about everything, for every split second. It only lasted a few days, but I couldn't quit that medication fast enough. No bueno!

thenelm1

(852 posts)
8. I haven't seen this mentioned at all, and it's likely a totally unrealistic expectation, but...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:19 PM
Jul 2021

the press really needs to lay off all of these athletes a lot. They build up these crazy expectations and literally put so much pressure on the competitors to succeed that it amazes me that any of the athletes can function at all. I guess it's a silly expectation to think that the press might lay off at some point and allow the athletes to mentally prepare for their competitions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. Such a perfect example of how two ideas can converge
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jul 2021

at the same time. "Suck it up" (because that's what we are used to sports performers doing) and "Great and sane choice" converge!!!
.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
10. CNN discussion last night.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:42 PM
Jul 2021

Don Lemon had on Nadia Comaneci and husband Bart Conner, also a gymnast (two gold medals). At about 2:30 in this clip Bart talks about the twisties.

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
12. A bad fall can easily break your neck
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jul 2021

there's a reason most grade schools don't have gymnastics teams anymore.

LeftInTX

(25,220 posts)
14. Yep, Julissa Gomez and Elena Mukhina both broke their necks.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:13 AM
Jul 2021

Elena broke her neck in 1980 after being pushed to train with an unhealed leg fracture. She lived in the USSR. This was 2 weeks before the Olympics started. She died in 2006 at age 46 due to complications

In 1988, Julissa Gomez struggled with a mount and ran head first into a vault. She broke her neck and could not breathe without a ventilator. She died three years later.

Dominique Moceanu had a close call:



Jon King

(1,910 posts)
13. Except with the yips you can't break your neck.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:54 AM
Jul 2021

As a long time coach of several sports, the yips happens. Seen baseball players get a mental block and can not throw a ball straight and tennis players whose forehand all of a sudden goes from world class to terrible.

But totally different level than what Simone is dealing with. In her case her mental block could cause her to get seriously injured.

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