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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:53 PM Jul 2021

Raise your hand if you warned your DU brethren that the CDC mask guidance in May was

Bunk and to remain masked.

I must have written ten op’s on it myself. Stating how pissed I was with their new guidance. Got a lot of pushback on it too from many. So, I am raising my hand.

I used common sense. It made zero sense to allow anti vaxer and maskholes to roam around free unmasked because of some imagined and ludicrous idea they would be honorable and wear a mask.

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Raise your hand if you warned your DU brethren that the CDC mask guidance in May was (Original Post) boston bean Jul 2021 OP
This!👆 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #1
The CDC gave into political pressure. We should have stayed masked! Earth-shine Jul 2021 #2
the same 1500 radio stations that called masks chin diapers since it started will blame biden certainot Jul 2021 #53
"Masks are here to stay" dweller Jul 2021 #3
I'm now considering the CDC and COVID-19 science Lars39 Jul 2021 #4
ooh ooh dweller Jul 2021 #5
Heh Lars39 Jul 2021 #9
Yup. It was obviously a total abandonment of common sense. There was one poster here Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #6
Beagle something or other. And another shaming those promoting masks. boston bean Jul 2021 #10
I was thinking of someone who is still here and who regularly asserts his vast superiority Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #18
I have also noticed some eerie quietness from that crowd. boston bean Jul 2021 #20
I remember you getting it, and then being walloped by the vax. Glad Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #23
I think I know who you mean XanaDUer2 Jul 2021 #94
Yep. Treefrog Jul 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #7
I told people it was premature, and never stopped wearing a mask myself. We just heard today.... George II Jul 2021 #8
It would have been much better to have made a statement... 3catwoman3 Jul 2021 #11
They should have based it in vax metrics. boston bean Jul 2021 #22
DURec leftstreet Jul 2021 #12
I knew it was a bad decision by the CDC and kept masking! liberal_mama Jul 2021 #13
Me✋🏽 Sur Zobra Jul 2021 #14
Same here... Duppers Jul 2021 #54
I felt the same way. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #57
Very insulting Sur Zobra Jul 2021 #61
Yup. I never stopped masking indoors. Avoid crowds even outdoors. Pobeka Jul 2021 #15
Here ✋🏼 we can do it Jul 2021 #16
Raising my hand. joetheman Jul 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #19
I kept my mask UpInArms Jul 2021 #21
Hand raised.... Sogo Jul 2021 #24
Remember back when "three feet" was suddenly acceptable social distancing? Grokenstein Jul 2021 #25
TO UNVACCINATED - PICK OUT COFFIN - BEND OVER & KISS THY ASS GOOD-BYE !!! monkeyman1 Jul 2021 #26
Also make sure your life insurance is paid-up FakeNoose Jul 2021 #69
I've never stopped using Covid protocols. pazzyanne Jul 2021 #27
I remember being ridiculed for wnylib Jul 2021 #28
Hand raised. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #29
Back in May, studies were showing that people with breakthrough Covid Warpy Jul 2021 #30
I stopped wearing my mask a few weeks after CDC said it was OK LeftInTX Jul 2021 #70
I've been surprised by the level of compliance around here Warpy Jul 2021 #78
I was one dsc Jul 2021 #31
Never stopped wearing my mask KS Toronado Jul 2021 #32
I bought some KN-95 masks off ebay, fairly cheap, DemocraticPatriot Aug 2021 #114
Masks we used to get for .50 cents are now $2 bucks each........ KS Toronado Aug 2021 #116
I am aggravated with my state of New York which had an enforced mask mandate for over a year Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #33
It took me a couple weeks, but I did go unmasked dflprincess Jul 2021 #34
I'm spoiled now that I've gone for a few months without a mask...... LeftInTX Jul 2021 #40
I never stopped masking IronLionZion Jul 2021 #35
I don't argue with the CDC, but I didn't follow Ilsa Jul 2021 #36
Hand raised ✋🏼. Never wrote an OP about it but made a few comments about progree Jul 2021 #37
I went with the guidance of science and the Biden Administration. Nothing to be sorry about. brooklynite Jul 2021 #38
Yep, me too. beaglelover Jul 2021 #84
The guidance in May made sense. The current guidance makes sense Peppertoo Jul 2021 #39
The guidance in May never made sense. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #60
*Raises hand* Niagara Jul 2021 #41
My ignore list is really growing lately. We've had an influx of idiots... lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #51
I never saw anything like what you describe. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #103
Me neither, until the last couple of weeks. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #105
I'm masking up barbtries Jul 2021 #42
I didn't warn anyone on DU but kept wearing mine. GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #43
HERE Skittles Jul 2021 #44
Precisely. N/t. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #46
This. Treefrog Jul 2021 #64
selfish asshole Skittles Jul 2021 #65
Me Thtwudbeme Aug 2021 #109
I think I mighta, kinda, said something like that Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #45
The brains of DUers helped to BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 2021 #66
the idea of putting unvaccinated people on the "honor system" was utterly ridiculous Skittles Jul 2021 #67
I wore a mask HariSeldon Jul 2021 #48
I've said from the start that was a really stupid move. LisaL Jul 2021 #49
I've never unmasked, and have advocated for it all along. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #50
Unfortunately even the CDC gets it wrong BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #52
The bidet threads were the best. Treefrog Jul 2021 #59
I guess I tuned out during those LeftInTX Jul 2021 #68
I haven't trusted CDC guidance on anything since they got it terribly wrong in the early 90's littlemissmartypants Jul 2021 #55
Yah - while those around me jumped with glee at that proclamation, I was flabbergasted and... consider_this Jul 2021 #56
Yes Meowmee Jul 2021 #62
👋🏽 Yup Sunsky Jul 2021 #63
Yep. LisaL Jul 2021 #74
Exactly Sunsky Jul 2021 #80
Well, my area just went into substantial transmission. LisaL Jul 2021 #85
Same BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #79
I never stopped wearing my mask. yardwork Jul 2021 #71
Didn't warn anyone, just said I was going to continue Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2021 #72
I had an uneasy feeling that it was a "Mission Accomplished" moment, bullwinkle428 Jul 2021 #73
The CDC was right Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #75
Cdc was wrong, completely Meowmee Jul 2021 #81
The results were COMPLETELY predicatable iemanja Jul 2021 #91
The CDC should really be checking in at DU fescuerescue Jul 2021 #76
The CDC should exercise common sense. iemanja Jul 2021 #82
Honestly common sense on unique massive events typically will usually fail to be correct. fescuerescue Jul 2021 #83
BS iemanja Jul 2021 #90
If you think common sense will help you fescuerescue Aug 2021 #101
Deplorable, anti-vaxer morons signing up for an honor system. No way. oasis Jul 2021 #77
The CDCs mask guidance was as accurate as the data at the time, and correct pre-Delta Silent3 Jul 2021 #86
Perhaps the cdc could have said we have not reached a threshold in order to remove boston bean Jul 2021 #87
I don't know what they thought. LisaL Jul 2021 #88
I don't think the transmissability of Delta by the vaccinated... Silent3 Jul 2021 #89
Oh really? I remember it was reported on Us news that it was very virulent and boston bean Jul 2021 #92
Highly transmissible in general... Silent3 Jul 2021 #93
They were always unsure of transmissibility. So boston bean Jul 2021 #100
I saw delta coming, but took the reprieve to visit family in June elias7 Jul 2021 #95
We don't go inside anywhere without a mask. Greybnk48 Jul 2021 #96
Yes, you get a gold star. maxsolomon Jul 2021 #97
it is hard to put that one back in the bag RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #98
You were right malaise Jul 2021 #99
I went without my mask after my vaccination and have remained perfectly healthy...flu Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #102
For oneself if vaccinated may be safer. But not to others. Infirm, immunocompromised, elderly, child boston bean Aug 2021 #104
I only started emerging from 1.5 year lockdown in July Generic Other Aug 2021 #106
I did as well but was laughed at n/t OhioChick Aug 2021 #107
Yup Lemon Lyman Aug 2021 #108
Went to Lowes and the grocery store on Saturday...No masks..No distance..No nothing.. LeftInTX Aug 2021 #111
Scientific institutions are not well-suited to mass media Sympthsical Aug 2021 #110
yep..... Sancho Aug 2021 #112
Yup. I realized it was just a license for the unvaxxed, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers DemocraticPatriot Aug 2021 #113
Not only that, but, I predicted how the COVID virus would mutate to weaken the protection of the... Hugin Aug 2021 #115

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
4. I'm now considering the CDC and COVID-19 science
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:58 PM
Jul 2021

to be like a huge ocean liner that takes a long time to turn around. What we know to do already fills the gaps between the science and the new recommendations. We’re foolish to not keep up the precautions we know to do until this thing is ended.

Scrivener7

(50,944 posts)
6. Yup. It was obviously a total abandonment of common sense. There was one poster here
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jul 2021

in particular who was REALLY obnoxious in his derision of those of us who said the CDC guidance was ridiculous.

In post after post, he sarcastically called us names like "the resident epidemiologists." All the while, he was extolling his own superiority for the fact that he didn't question the CDC guidance.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
10. Beagle something or other. And another shaming those promoting masks.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:07 PM
Jul 2021

Saying people who continued to wear masks were living their lives in fear.

Scrivener7

(50,944 posts)
18. I was thinking of someone who is still here and who regularly asserts his vast superiority
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:47 PM
Jul 2021

over those who say they are still taking precautions against Covid. He called us the "resident doomers" and said we had Covid Stockholm Syndrome.

He's been a little quiet on the subject lately, though.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
20. I have also noticed some eerie quietness from that crowd.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:54 PM
Jul 2021

I had covid before vaccine. I got it from someone in my own household. Got two shots of moderna three months after my illness and all three were bad experiences for me.

I did the vaccine to not only keep myself as safe as possible but others as well. To think these bozos could give it to me again and me pass it on to someone else is galling. I have done everything right. People need to buck up and wear their damn masks. Everyone everywhere in this country. And everyone must get vaxed. By hook or crook they must get the vaccine. I am tired of bowing to these idiots. I am also tired of govt officials cow towing to them as well.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
58. Yep.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:16 AM
Jul 2021

I noticed that one too.

Said he’s never going back to masks and we have to “learn to live with it.”

Response to boston bean (Original post)

George II

(67,782 posts)
8. I told people it was premature, and never stopped wearing a mask myself. We just heard today....
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jul 2021

....that the CDC named 3 of the 8 counties in Connecticut as among the highest increase infections in the country. It'll be all 8 soon I'm sure.

I hope Lamont institutes a mask mandate again.

3catwoman3

(23,971 posts)
11. It would have been much better to have made a statement...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:16 PM
Jul 2021

…along these lines:

Numbers are improving due to vaccination. Should this hold steady over the next 6-8 weeks, it may be possible to consider relaxation of mask mandates. Stay the course!

Instead, they pretty much flipped 180 degrees overbite, and a whole swath of people went back to living as is the last year and a half hadn’t happened.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
13. I knew it was a bad decision by the CDC and kept masking!
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:19 PM
Jul 2021

It was real easy to see what was going to happen.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
54. Same here...
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:07 AM
Jul 2021

in a lounge poll thread on masks, was told my mask-wearing post-vaccination was:
"virtue signaling rather than science" and that...
"masks have become a comfort object for many. Basically a security blanket, quite a few will never be able to go out in public without one, the psychological aspect is fascinating."

Yep, that was insulting and I knew they were wrong because I had read articles on the coming variants. I felt as if I were defending myself to some wingers!

Response to boston bean (Original post)

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
21. I kept my mask
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:55 PM
Jul 2021

and have continued to isolate … the only thing I have added to my life is going out for groceries (masked) …

Only see other vaccinated peeps

The “honor system” is bunk … the unmasked are unvaccinated

They will happily die and kill you in the process

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
25. Remember back when "three feet" was suddenly acceptable social distancing?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:08 PM
Jul 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/19/science/cdc-guidelines-schools-distancing.html

That's when I adopted the "plus ultra" approach to CDC guidelines; always do much more than they recommend.

FakeNoose

(32,627 posts)
69. Also make sure your life insurance is paid-up
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:56 AM
Jul 2021

... and get your will written and notarized.

That is all.

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
27. I've never stopped using Covid protocols.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:13 PM
Jul 2021

I'm fully vaccinated, since i'm immuno-compromised, not sure how much protection the vaccinations gave me. Better safe than sorry in my world.

wnylib

(21,425 posts)
28. I remember being ridiculed for
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jul 2021

saying that I would continue to wear a mask because of reports about breakthrough infections with delta, and sometimes even with alpha. I was told that the breakthroughs were too negligible to worry about. I tried to point out that the breakthrough numbers were low because delta had not yet spread through a large country like the US compared to smaller countries, but it would eventually. I was accused of being an alarmist and too afraid of socializing openly after 18 months.

I still kept wearing my mask for all the reasons we are now being told - to avoid spreading the virus to others and to avoid risking a breakthrough infection due to underlying health concerns.

Glad I stuck to my own perception of safety and risks.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
29. Hand raised.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:15 PM
Jul 2021

And I was chastised by some for being too cautious.

With two grandchildren under the age of 12, I'm not going to cut a single corner, or take a single chance.

My choice, and I dont care what anyone thinks or says. 😁

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
30. Back in May, studies were showing that people with breakthrough Covid
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:17 PM
Jul 2021

had less than half the viral load of unvaccinated people who caught the disease and were unlikely to pass it on. Then the Delta variant hit us hard and that was thought to be no longer the case.

I didn't do any preaching but I've masked up consistently and so have most people in my part of NM.

In fact, I haven't seen a single unmasked person in months.

I just wish they'd start getting the shots again. Delta is hitting kids and people under 40.

LeftInTX

(25,226 posts)
70. I stopped wearing my mask a few weeks after CDC said it was OK
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:16 AM
Jul 2021

The CDC guidance was weird and I expected rates to rise, but they didn't. So, I thought maybe they got it right, so I started going to the gym again. (I'm fully vaccinated)

When Greg Abbott made mask mandates illegal, the SA Express News wrote a blistering OP Ed. A few weeks later, the Express News retracted and apologized.

Haven't read the paper in a few weeks, but I'm sure it's full of anti-Abbott Op Eds now.

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
78. I've been surprised by the level of compliance around here
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:11 AM
Jul 2021

during our hot and now hot and humid summer months.

As for that guy Abbot, Texas needs to do better, a governor who isn't busy seeing how far he can shove his head up TFG's rump so that he can see some very real problems in his state, like a non winterized and very vulnerable electrical grid, and get a start on fixing them.

But that's only one of the reasons I don't live there.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
31. I was one
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jul 2021

I understand that if we had a way to have only vaccinated people stop wearing masks and we were able to get enough people vaccinated that it would have worked, but the first part was a non starter and the second also didn't happen. At this point masks are going to have to stay for wide swaths of the country unless this variant dies out.

KS Toronado

(17,195 posts)
32. Never stopped wearing my mask
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:29 PM
Jul 2021

Even wrote an op about how easy it was to purchase N-95 masks recently hoping it would help some people
who were unaware how easily they could be had. I can honestly raise my hand. If you don't have N-95
masks.....just internet search.....N-95/N95 masks for sale locally......worked for me.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,341 posts)
114. I bought some KN-95 masks off ebay, fairly cheap,
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:29 AM
Aug 2021

even before I was vaccinated. (I think it was about $10 for 20 of them, and I still have some now).

Rhiannon12866

(205,161 posts)
33. I am aggravated with my state of New York which had an enforced mask mandate for over a year
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:29 PM
Jul 2021

Yet rescinded it at the beginning of this month - changed to requiring masks in all businesses only for the unvaccinated. But we've seen how the "honor system" works, especially among the unvaccinated, and this was just in time for the Delta variant surge and tourist season, visitors from all over the country in my neck-of-the-woods. Last year, nothing was open and anyone from out-of-state was required to quarantine. In the past couple of weeks, I've seen license plates from as far away as Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, Alabama and Utah. Meanwhile, my county is only at 65% vaccinated and has highest number positive tests in the state. I dread to imagine what the future holds for New York.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
34. It took me a couple weeks, but I did go unmasked
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:36 PM
Jul 2021

and was kind of surprised how much I enjoyed it after I got used to not wearing one. (It was just nice not having my glasses fog up.)

Most of them didn't need it, but all my masks got tossed in the laundry today so they're ready to be worn - like when I go to the grocery store tomorrow.

LeftInTX

(25,226 posts)
40. I'm spoiled now that I've gone for a few months without a mask......
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jul 2021

I'm really gonna miss the gym, which I started going back to recently. sigh......

Summer is a bad time to put on masks again in Texas and it's too hot to exercise outdoors around here.

And we have that huge Selma like march up at the Capitol on Saturday. I really don't want to wear a mask outdoors. I never have worn a mask outdoors for more than a few minutes. I will drive up there by myself on Saturday morning instead of riding on the bus or car pooling.

Oh well....

IronLionZion

(45,421 posts)
35. I never stopped masking
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:40 PM
Jul 2021

and was told the CDC knows more than me. The fact that many at the CDC publicly disagreed with the May guidance didn't matter.

Oh well. I still get plenty of snide comments about being a sheep. Baaaaaaaa

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
36. I don't argue with the CDC, but I didn't follow
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:40 PM
Jul 2021

their advice, either. I have continued masking in public.

progree

(10,901 posts)
37. Hand raised ✋🏼. Never wrote an OP about it but made a few comments about
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jul 2021

it here and there in the replies.

I NEVER believed the honor system was going to work.

I NEVER believed that the CDC did that because they thought it would incentivize people to get vaccinated. I just couldn't believe for one minute that they would be stupid enough to think that. It might influence a small few percent of the unvaccinated to get vaccinated so they didn't have to wear a mask, but most of the rest would just skip wearing a mask anyway. The CDC crumbled to political pressure and wishful thinking.

After the CDC guidance, Minnesota and most other places knew they couldn't enforce mask-wearing on the unvaccinated and so they just threw in the towel on mask-wearing for everyone. So did most stores -- two grocery stores I shop at had signs saying something like according to CDC guidance, vaccinated people need not wear masks, and that was all their signs said. In other words, just bull meaning nothing, and clearly nothing was going to be checked or enforced.

I've also been a doubter as a Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipient on any claims that I'm as safe being unmasked and mingling as I am of getting hospitalized or killed in a car crash. But that has been a never-ending mantra around here for months. Anyway I don't want one of those "mild" cases where one wonders if the difficulty in breathing is going to suddenly get seriously worse like we all read about.

I've been wearing masks all along in stores, mostly because intelligent people will have less worry and be more at ease around me (a Golden Rule kind of thing), and I don't give a f*** what the stupid ones think. And yes, I wear them to improve my chances of not getting it.

Peppertoo

(435 posts)
39. The guidance in May made sense. The current guidance makes sense
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:44 PM
Jul 2021

The science and the circumstances change.

Ms. Toad

(34,060 posts)
60. The guidance in May never made sense.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:20 AM
Jul 2021

Every single thing that has happened was absolutely predictable - and returning to the worst of the worst was completely avoidable, had the CDC focused on community health rather than pretending to be everyone's personal physician.

Niagara

(7,595 posts)
41. *Raises hand*
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:48 PM
Jul 2021

I knew it was premature for the CDC to loosen the mask guidance.



There were quite a few DUers that I had to put on ignore for my own sanity. You weren't alone.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
51. My ignore list is really growing lately. We've had an influx of idiots...
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:33 AM
Jul 2021

not only on COVID topics, but also some defending the January 6th terrorists.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
105. Me neither, until the last couple of weeks.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:28 PM
Aug 2021

It's creeping me out.

Just a minute ago, I had to block a long-time DUer because they're spouting anti-mask garbage.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
42. I'm masking up
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:49 PM
Jul 2021

for the rest of my life as far as I know right now. The CDC's decision was grossly premature and I said it at the time.

GoodRaisin

(8,922 posts)
43. I didn't warn anyone on DU but kept wearing mine.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:52 PM
Jul 2021

People in DU are better informed than most. Who I did warn in particular was my family.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
44. HERE
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:59 PM
Jul 2021

I was disgusted how many DUers acted as if the goal all along was to unmask, as opposed to ENDING A PANDEMIC.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
47. The brains of DUers helped to
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:16 AM
Jul 2021

verify my own gut feelings that the CDC was premature with lifting of mandates. I would have thought I was being hyper-paranoid if it weren't for the well informed DUers who felt the same as I did. When CA lifted its mandate on June 15th I was worried that it was too soon and kept masking up the rare times I venture out in public. My neighbors thought I was too worried but I didn't care. I have been reusing the 5 original N95s for over a year now and will continue to do so, regardless of the mandates.

https://abc7news.com/june-15-california-no-mask-gavin-newsom-reopening/10790063/

Dr. Wen has been saying the reopening by the CDC was not clear or correct. She was/is right.

Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #47)

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
67. the idea of putting unvaccinated people on the "honor system" was utterly ridiculous
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:51 AM
Jul 2021

people who still admire Donald Fucking Trump HAVE NO HONOR

HariSeldon

(455 posts)
48. I wore a mask
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jul 2021

But only because I have children at my house too young for the vaccine, yet. I figured that the CDC had done math figuring that the increased incidence among unvaccinated populations, especially those who would refuse to mask, would push them to reconsider vaccinating. Then the Delta variant changed the numbers, and here we are.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
49. I've said from the start that was a really stupid move.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:24 AM
Jul 2021

Especially since variants were starting to spread.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
50. I've never unmasked, and have advocated for it all along.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jul 2021

And I am still seeing idiots here, refusing to mask.

BannonsLiver

(16,368 posts)
52. Unfortunately even the CDC gets it wrong
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:52 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:25 AM - Edit history (2)

It should always be a combination of sources when considering these issues.

For example, someone who is addicted to cigarettes, and who has been eating at restaurants during a pandemic, isn’t a credible resource on public health issues IMO. Someone like Dr Fauci, who doesn’t do those things, and who has verifiable, publicly known credentials, is an example of someone who is credible.

It was never a question of masking or not to mask for me because I never stopped. Beyond the protection, they give me a feeling of anonymity, which I like.

I was also one of the first people here to conclude the mitigation game is almost entirely centered around protecting yourself from respiratory transmission, while others here were debating how long to wash their hands, and other shit that never really mattered as much as the former. Never saw the need to self congratulate though.



littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
55. I haven't trusted CDC guidance on anything since they got it terribly wrong in the early 90's
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:09 AM
Jul 2021

When I had a patient with mysterious, fatal infection and they put me and others in a high risk, life threatening situation. That one wrong recommendation caused me to lose faith in them forever.

Also, I haven't been reserved in my assessment of Dr. Rochelle Walensky as an unmitigated disaster. I can only hope that she is a better doctor than she is as a spokesperson and director.

I have been double masking since the onset. Nothing has changed with the exception of me being slightly less vigilant about my concern for fomite transmission of the virus. That's the only thing I have changed in the year and a half since this mess started.

consider_this

(2,203 posts)
56. Yah - while those around me jumped with glee at that proclamation, I was flabbergasted and...
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:54 AM
Jul 2021

got plenty of flack from family and others all saying I'm crazy for continuing with the mask and telling them why I thought that announcement was going to ef us all royally. I wish to hell I had been wrong.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
62. Yes
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:57 AM
Jul 2021


And I was attacked etc.

We never stopped masking and I stated on here at the time the decision was a big mistake. The damage is done. It is time to mandate masks again and vaccines. Maybe some of the damage can be mitigated. And we now know people with bt can spread delta as well. People whose cases are not being reported, or even recorded most likely, with milder symptoms or who are asymptomatic are spreading it as we speak.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
63. 👋🏽 Yup
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:26 AM
Jul 2021

As a healthcare professional, it pains me to say that I'm losing faith in the CDC. The notion that nobody could've seen this coming is bs. Many of us did. My office never lifted the mask requirement for vaccinated persons. Even their new guidelines are ridiculous. Unless we are going to isolate high transmission areas, these low transmission areas will also see an uptick. The same principle applies throughout, if you are vaccinated, chances are you will not have a serious infection but you may contract the virus and spread it.
The constant flip flop only damages their credibility and bolsters the propaganda which is the opposite of what is needed.
This is a global problem that requires a global solution. We need to ramp up vaccination worldwide.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
74. Yep.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:45 AM
Jul 2021

Why wait to wear masks until your low transmission area becomes a high transmission area? It makes no sense.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
85. Well, my area just went into substantial transmission.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:17 PM
Jul 2021

So people should start wearing masks. I will observe, but there are no longer mask mandates. So I don't anticipate 100 % mask wearing.

BannonsLiver

(16,368 posts)
79. Same
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jul 2021

Like some in the thread, I get a lot of my health and wellness info from Facebook, Reddit and DU. I’ve got a wonderful person on Reddit helping me through a colon problem right now and it’s free! I have no idea they are who they say they are, but they sound knowledgeable so I just go with it.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
71. I never stopped wearing my mask.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:17 AM
Jul 2021

I'm curious to see how workplaces will respond. Many grabbed on the May CDC guidance as an excuse to make employees return to the work place.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
72. Didn't warn anyone, just said I was going to continue
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jul 2021

strict protection protocols because of stupid Republicans.

I did warn folks to stay away from Republicans because they did not get vaccinated, did not protect themselves, and others, by following protection protocols, and hung out together in groups, so the majority of them were carriers of the disease.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
73. I had an uneasy feeling that it was a "Mission Accomplished" moment,
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:44 AM
Jul 2021

when the "masks off, dance off" proclamation was made. Because I'd been fully vaccinated at that point, I took mine off when going to the grocery store, etc., but still never felt like I was ready to go into a crowded bar-type setting, knowing that it would be full of those who give the middle finger to science.

Johnny2X2X

(19,037 posts)
75. The CDC was right
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:46 AM
Jul 2021

I don't believe they caved to political pressure at all. And people forget that the CDC still recommended unvaccinated people wear masks, they couldn't control that all of the unvaccinated people would ignore them.

CDC follows the science, the data changes and their decisions change.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
81. Cdc was wrong, completely
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:12 PM
Jul 2021

Part of the “science” was that not enough people were vaccinated and the infection rate was still too high. And delta was already spreading here, we already had info on delta then from other outbreaks that it was more contagious and had the potential to make existing vaccines less effective. Not to mention allowing the spread of any variant allows new variants to develop.

In addition they have been wrong numerous times or has given the wrong guidance with regards to covid, first saying early on that masks would not protect you when the data was available that the primary transmission was aerosol.

iemanja

(53,029 posts)
91. The results were COMPLETELY predicatable
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:23 PM
Jul 2021

What did you think the subsequent end of mask mandates would do? Of course it would result in greater transmission. That much is obvious.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
76. The CDC should really be checking in at DU
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jul 2021

before making these big decisions.

Would save them a lot of embarrassment.

iemanja

(53,029 posts)
82. The CDC should exercise common sense.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jul 2021

Quite obviously an announcement that vaccinated people didn't need to wear masks, and the subsequent end of mandates around the nation, was going to result in unvaccinated people not wearing masks. Now it turns out that the vaccine isn't enough to protect us from Delta.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
83. Honestly common sense on unique massive events typically will usually fail to be correct.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:08 PM
Jul 2021

You see it all the time with people using "common sense" on things like 9/11 and the Kennedy Assassination.

Or using common sense on things like extremely large ships or space craft.

I think they were actually using "common sense" when they said stop wearing masks if you are vaccinated.

When an event is out of the our common experience, common sense is terrible.

iemanja

(53,029 posts)
90. BS
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:20 PM
Jul 2021

You're inventing nonsense to deflect from the situation. Clearly the CDC was wrong. The devastating spread of Delta proves it. The maskholes turned out to be wrong as well.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
101. If you think common sense will help you
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 04:41 PM
Aug 2021

When figuring out orbital mechanics. I hope you are never involved with space exploits.

If you think common sense will help you design a 100 story building, let me know so I can stay out of it.

If you think that common sense will help you design a Covid Vaccine. Best of luck to ya!


You are correct however! The CDC was wrong. They got it wrong.


Perhaps they should have just thrown away all that """science""" and """"research""" and just jumped on an Internet political chat board to get their answer.

Who needs doctors and education when it comes to understanding a never seen before virus that is ravaging the world. Just use common sense.

oasis

(49,376 posts)
77. Deplorable, anti-vaxer morons signing up for an honor system. No way.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jul 2021

They strayed from the King James Version of the bible and latched onto the Donald Trump "Jesse James" interpretation.

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
86. The CDCs mask guidance was as accurate as the data at the time, and correct pre-Delta
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:32 PM
Jul 2021

It was indeed safe for a few months for vaccinated people to go unmasked in many situations while the unvaccinated still needed to remain masked.

That's was correct health guidance. It is social science, not health science, that many unvaccinated people would use that situation to unmask too. You don't falsely tell people at low risk that they are at high risk just to keep them wearing masks. Perhaps the CDC could have added, "but please keep wearing your masks no matter what, so the unvaccinated can't get away with pretending to be vaccinated", but again, that's social science and politics, not health science.

Now a new variant has emerged that can be transmitted by the vaccinated too. So the CDC guidance has changed. And it will keep changing as conditions and data change.

It's easy to be "right" when your standard for "right" is zero tolerance for risk, but real life is always a risk/benefit tradeoff.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
87. Perhaps the cdc could have said we have not reached a threshold in order to remove
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jul 2021

our mask guidance.

We would not be here today.

Delta was ravaging India at that time. What did they think, we wouldn’t get the variant.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
88. I don't know what they thought.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:52 PM
Jul 2021

I said from the start telling vaccinated people they can take off their masks and party as if pandemic was over was stupid.
And it's not like cdc didn't know variants were spreading.

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
89. I don't think the transmissability of Delta by the vaccinated...
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:56 PM
Jul 2021

...had been discovered at the time of that earlier guidance.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
92. Oh really? I remember it was reported on Us news that it was very virulent and
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jul 2021

Highly transmissible. Must I go find the articles?

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
93. Highly transmissible in general...
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jul 2021

…and transmissible by the vaccinated are two very different bits of data.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
95. I saw delta coming, but took the reprieve to visit family in June
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:51 PM
Jul 2021

Never unmasked indoors anywhere, however.

Work in a rural ER in New England and it was nice to let our guard down for a month or so, but after India and UK and then hearing of delta starting to accelerate, the writing was on the wall…

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
96. We don't go inside anywhere without a mask.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jul 2021

We don't eat in restaurants, we do carry-out though. We go to the grocery now, whereas we were shopping online and doing pickup. We have allowed family and friends back into our house, but that may change.

maxsolomon

(33,297 posts)
97. Yes, you get a gold star.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:59 PM
Jul 2021

Myself, I had 2 wonderful months of doing things unmasked outdoors after I got my 2nd jab.

I even went inside and ate a restaurant last week - unmasked. It was great.

Now I'm just pissed off at Refusers.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
102. I went without my mask after my vaccination and have remained perfectly healthy...flu
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 05:06 PM
Aug 2021

season is coming and the Covid variants (both of them) are concerning so I shall wear one. However, I think that if you are vaccinated, you have little to worry about.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
104. For oneself if vaccinated may be safer. But not to others. Infirm, immunocompromised, elderly, child
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 06:16 PM
Aug 2021

under 12.

So, I think a mask is prudent. I don’t want to kill anyone. Myself or another.

Lemon Lyman

(1,349 posts)
108. Yup
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 07:22 AM
Aug 2021

I don't understand why stores aren't reverting to mask requirements. I'm pretty sure spending was strong throughout the pandemic. It's not like they had to ditch masks to stay in business. People had pretty much gotten used to wearing them indoors. Now almost nobody is wearing them (as predicted). The only thing I can come up with is that they got tired of the tantrum throwers. A small % of maskholes threw public baby tantrums. Contrast that with the pro-mask people. We aren't currently throwing tantrums about how everybody should be wearing masks.

I wish all of the stores would band together and bring back masks. I can choose whether or not I go to a concert (or whatever), but I have to buy supplies. Thankfully I am able to use curbside pickup for most of it.

Also, when people start throwing tantrums it's an easy fix. Just tell them their problems are over b/c they're never allowed in any of your stores again.

LeftInTX

(25,226 posts)
111. Went to Lowes and the grocery store on Saturday...No masks..No distance..No nothing..
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 08:42 AM
Aug 2021

Stores could have at least put up signs, "Masks recommended by the CDC" or something...

Employees were not wearing masks either....

Sympthsical

(9,071 posts)
110. Scientific institutions are not well-suited to mass media
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 08:38 AM
Aug 2021

Nor, for that matter, are mass media very suited for science.

Even before Covid, if you ever read a lot of articles on scientific subjects, you'd notice the journalists really didn't understand what they were talking about. Now, we get these breathless headlines with studies and statistics that aren't presented in a clear, concise way within the appropriate context. If you consume a lot of media, even social media, you can find yourself receiving a lot of contradictory information. "What, exactly, should I be worried about here?"

I think the CDC absolutely made a political calculation. That is not what the CDC should be doing. When you don't fully have a grasp on something, you don't say anything. But with a pandemic and our 24/7 news cycles, these scientists kept feeling like they had to be out there saying something. Anything, really.

This was not super helpful - at all.

The WHO has been an absolute, politically-motivated clown show. Taiwan was begging them to take note of what was happening towards the beginning of the pandemic, and they flatly ignored them because, you know, China. That is not how science works.

People should use common sense. And I don't get the problem with masks. They're not that bad. Are people wearing some kind of uncomfortable monstrosities made of hard plastic? Get better masks, then. Eesh. I put one on any time I'm indoors in public for any reason. As soon as I finish this post, I'm heading out to gym, where I will do 45 minutes of cardio . . . with my mask on.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086QRX8QT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use those. Crazy comfortable, adjustable, washable.

Not that difficult. I don't understand the resistance.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,341 posts)
113. Yup. I realized it was just a license for the unvaxxed, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:19 AM
Aug 2021

to quit wearing masks, which they did not want to do in the first place...

I never stopped wearing mine in public places, even though I am fully vaccinated.


Even if things ever get "back to normal", which seems very doubtful for the foreseeable future, I may continue to mask in busy public places like grocery or department stores-- the covid protocols are great at preventing colds or flu, which I should have had at least once and probably twice in the past year and a half, but have avoided...

The mask is a very small inconvenience, which has kept me from any communicable illnesses whatsoever during the pandemic. Also on the plus side, it negates the need to shave every single day, so I am saving money on razers and shaving cream. lol

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
115. Not only that, but, I predicted how the COVID virus would mutate to weaken the protection of the...
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:35 AM
Aug 2021

vaccines.

By somehow accelerating it's reproductive rate to enable spread before the victim's immune system could respond by producing antibodies.

BTW, I'm in no way proud or pleased by being correct.

Only crushed.

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