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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRaise your hand if you warned your DU brethren that the CDC mask guidance in May was
Bunk and to remain masked.
I must have written ten ops on it myself. Stating how pissed I was with their new guidance. Got a lot of pushback on it too from many. So, I am raising my hand.
I used common sense. It made zero sense to allow anti vaxer and maskholes to roam around free unmasked because of some imagined and ludicrous idea they would be honorable and wear a mask.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Earth-shine
(3,980 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)dweller
(23,628 posts)Yeh, that went over big 😐
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Lars39
(26,109 posts)to be like a huge ocean liner that takes a long time to turn around. What we know to do already fills the gaps between the science and the new recommendations. Were foolish to not keep up the precautions we know to do until this thing is ended.
Make COVID an iceberg !
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Scrivener7
(50,944 posts)in particular who was REALLY obnoxious in his derision of those of us who said the CDC guidance was ridiculous.
In post after post, he sarcastically called us names like "the resident epidemiologists." All the while, he was extolling his own superiority for the fact that he didn't question the CDC guidance.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Saying people who continued to wear masks were living their lives in fear.
Scrivener7
(50,944 posts)over those who say they are still taking precautions against Covid. He called us the "resident doomers" and said we had Covid Stockholm Syndrome.
He's been a little quiet on the subject lately, though.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)I had covid before vaccine. I got it from someone in my own household. Got two shots of moderna three months after my illness and all three were bad experiences for me.
I did the vaccine to not only keep myself as safe as possible but others as well. To think these bozos could give it to me again and me pass it on to someone else is galling. I have done everything right. People need to buck up and wear their damn masks. Everyone everywhere in this country. And everyone must get vaxed. By hook or crook they must get the vaccine. I am tired of bowing to these idiots. I am also tired of govt officials cow towing to them as well.
Scrivener7
(50,944 posts)you are recovered.
XanaDUer2
(10,638 posts)I'm masking.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I noticed that one too.
Said hes never going back to masks and we have to learn to live with it.
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George II
(67,782 posts)....that the CDC named 3 of the 8 counties in Connecticut as among the highest increase infections in the country. It'll be all 8 soon I'm sure.
I hope Lamont institutes a mask mandate again.
3catwoman3
(23,971 posts)
along these lines:
Numbers are improving due to vaccination. Should this hold steady over the next 6-8 weeks, it may be possible to consider relaxation of mask mandates. Stay the course!
Instead, they pretty much flipped 180 degrees overbite, and a whole swath of people went back to living as is the last year and a half hadnt happened.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)70% vaxed and masks can come off.
leftstreet
(36,103 posts)liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)It was real easy to see what was going to happen.
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)Werent we told that we were going against science when we did Phooey!
Duppers
(28,117 posts)in a lounge poll thread on masks, was told my mask-wearing post-vaccination was:
"virtue signaling rather than science" and that...
"masks have become a comfort object for many. Basically a security blanket, quite a few will never be able to go out in public without one, the psychological aspect is fascinating."
Yep, that was insulting and I knew they were wrong because I had read articles on the coming variants. I felt as if I were defending myself to some wingers!
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)we can do it
(12,180 posts)joetheman
(1,450 posts)Response to boston bean (Original post)
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UpInArms
(51,280 posts)and have continued to isolate
the only thing I have added to my life is going out for groceries (masked)
Only see other vaccinated peeps
The honor system is bunk
the unmasked are unvaccinated
They will happily die and kill you in the process
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)That's when I adopted the "plus ultra" approach to CDC guidelines; always do much more than they recommend.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)FakeNoose
(32,627 posts)... and get your will written and notarized.
That is all.
pazzyanne
(6,547 posts)I'm fully vaccinated, since i'm immuno-compromised, not sure how much protection the vaccinations gave me. Better safe than sorry in my world.
wnylib
(21,425 posts)saying that I would continue to wear a mask because of reports about breakthrough infections with delta, and sometimes even with alpha. I was told that the breakthroughs were too negligible to worry about. I tried to point out that the breakthrough numbers were low because delta had not yet spread through a large country like the US compared to smaller countries, but it would eventually. I was accused of being an alarmist and too afraid of socializing openly after 18 months.
I still kept wearing my mask for all the reasons we are now being told - to avoid spreading the virus to others and to avoid risking a breakthrough infection due to underlying health concerns.
Glad I stuck to my own perception of safety and risks.
SergeStorms
(19,192 posts)And I was chastised by some for being too cautious.
With two grandchildren under the age of 12, I'm not going to cut a single corner, or take a single chance.
My choice, and I dont care what anyone thinks or says. 😁
Warpy
(111,241 posts)had less than half the viral load of unvaccinated people who caught the disease and were unlikely to pass it on. Then the Delta variant hit us hard and that was thought to be no longer the case.
I didn't do any preaching but I've masked up consistently and so have most people in my part of NM.
In fact, I haven't seen a single unmasked person in months.
I just wish they'd start getting the shots again. Delta is hitting kids and people under 40.
LeftInTX
(25,226 posts)The CDC guidance was weird and I expected rates to rise, but they didn't. So, I thought maybe they got it right, so I started going to the gym again. (I'm fully vaccinated)
When Greg Abbott made mask mandates illegal, the SA Express News wrote a blistering OP Ed. A few weeks later, the Express News retracted and apologized.
Haven't read the paper in a few weeks, but I'm sure it's full of anti-Abbott Op Eds now.
Warpy
(111,241 posts)during our hot and now hot and humid summer months.
As for that guy Abbot, Texas needs to do better, a governor who isn't busy seeing how far he can shove his head up TFG's rump so that he can see some very real problems in his state, like a non winterized and very vulnerable electrical grid, and get a start on fixing them.
But that's only one of the reasons I don't live there.
dsc
(52,155 posts)I understand that if we had a way to have only vaccinated people stop wearing masks and we were able to get enough people vaccinated that it would have worked, but the first part was a non starter and the second also didn't happen. At this point masks are going to have to stay for wide swaths of the country unless this variant dies out.
KS Toronado
(17,195 posts)Even wrote an op about how easy it was to purchase N-95 masks recently hoping it would help some people
who were unaware how easily they could be had. I can honestly raise my hand. If you don't have N-95
masks.....just internet search.....N-95/N95 masks for sale locally......worked for me.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,341 posts)even before I was vaccinated. (I think it was about $10 for 20 of them, and I still have some now).
KS Toronado
(17,195 posts)good ole supply & demand in action.
Rhiannon12866
(205,161 posts)Yet rescinded it at the beginning of this month - changed to requiring masks in all businesses only for the unvaccinated. But we've seen how the "honor system" works, especially among the unvaccinated, and this was just in time for the Delta variant surge and tourist season, visitors from all over the country in my neck-of-the-woods. Last year, nothing was open and anyone from out-of-state was required to quarantine. In the past couple of weeks, I've seen license plates from as far away as Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, Alabama and Utah. Meanwhile, my county is only at 65% vaccinated and has highest number positive tests in the state. I dread to imagine what the future holds for New York.
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)and was kind of surprised how much I enjoyed it after I got used to not wearing one. (It was just nice not having my glasses fog up.)
Most of them didn't need it, but all my masks got tossed in the laundry today so they're ready to be worn - like when I go to the grocery store tomorrow.
LeftInTX
(25,226 posts)I'm really gonna miss the gym, which I started going back to recently. sigh......
Summer is a bad time to put on masks again in Texas and it's too hot to exercise outdoors around here.
And we have that huge Selma like march up at the Capitol on Saturday. I really don't want to wear a mask outdoors. I never have worn a mask outdoors for more than a few minutes. I will drive up there by myself on Saturday morning instead of riding on the bus or car pooling.
Oh well....
IronLionZion
(45,421 posts)and was told the CDC knows more than me. The fact that many at the CDC publicly disagreed with the May guidance didn't matter.
Oh well. I still get plenty of snide comments about being a sheep. Baaaaaaaa
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)their advice, either. I have continued masking in public.
progree
(10,901 posts)it here and there in the replies.
I NEVER believed the honor system was going to work.
I NEVER believed that the CDC did that because they thought it would incentivize people to get vaccinated. I just couldn't believe for one minute that they would be stupid enough to think that. It might influence a small few percent of the unvaccinated to get vaccinated so they didn't have to wear a mask, but most of the rest would just skip wearing a mask anyway. The CDC crumbled to political pressure and wishful thinking.
After the CDC guidance, Minnesota and most other places knew they couldn't enforce mask-wearing on the unvaccinated and so they just threw in the towel on mask-wearing for everyone. So did most stores -- two grocery stores I shop at had signs saying something like according to CDC guidance, vaccinated people need not wear masks, and that was all their signs said. In other words, just bull meaning nothing, and clearly nothing was going to be checked or enforced.
I've also been a doubter as a Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipient on any claims that I'm as safe being unmasked and mingling as I am of getting hospitalized or killed in a car crash. But that has been a never-ending mantra around here for months. Anyway I don't want one of those "mild" cases where one wonders if the difficulty in breathing is going to suddenly get seriously worse like we all read about.
I've been wearing masks all along in stores, mostly because intelligent people will have less worry and be more at ease around me (a Golden Rule kind of thing), and I don't give a f*** what the stupid ones think. And yes, I wear them to improve my chances of not getting it.
brooklynite
(94,495 posts)beaglelover
(3,466 posts)Peppertoo
(435 posts)The science and the circumstances change.
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)Every single thing that has happened was absolutely predictable - and returning to the worst of the worst was completely avoidable, had the CDC focused on community health rather than pretending to be everyone's personal physician.
Niagara
(7,595 posts)I knew it was premature for the CDC to loosen the mask guidance.
There were quite a few DUers that I had to put on ignore for my own sanity. You weren't alone.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)not only on COVID topics, but also some defending the January 6th terrorists.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It's creeping me out.
Just a minute ago, I had to block a long-time DUer because they're spouting anti-mask garbage.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)for the rest of my life as far as I know right now. The CDC's decision was grossly premature and I said it at the time.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)People in DU are better informed than most. Who I did warn in particular was my family.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)I was disgusted how many DUers acted as if the goal all along was to unmask, as opposed to ENDING A PANDEMIC.
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)One poster in particular continues to crow about no masks.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)nt
Ms. Toad
(34,060 posts)Once or twice . . .
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)verify my own gut feelings that the CDC was premature with lifting of mandates. I would have thought I was being hyper-paranoid if it weren't for the well informed DUers who felt the same as I did. When CA lifted its mandate on June 15th I was worried that it was too soon and kept masking up the rare times I venture out in public. My neighbors thought I was too worried but I didn't care. I have been reusing the 5 original N95s for over a year now and will continue to do so, regardless of the mandates.
https://abc7news.com/june-15-california-no-mask-gavin-newsom-reopening/10790063/
Dr. Wen has been saying the reopening by the CDC was not clear or correct. She was/is right.
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Skittles
(153,142 posts)people who still admire Donald Fucking Trump HAVE NO HONOR
HariSeldon
(455 posts)But only because I have children at my house too young for the vaccine, yet. I figured that the CDC had done math figuring that the increased incidence among unvaccinated populations, especially those who would refuse to mask, would push them to reconsider vaccinating. Then the Delta variant changed the numbers, and here we are.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Especially since variants were starting to spread.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And I am still seeing idiots here, refusing to mask.
BannonsLiver
(16,368 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:25 AM - Edit history (2)
It should always be a combination of sources when considering these issues.
For example, someone who is addicted to cigarettes, and who has been eating at restaurants during a pandemic, isnt a credible resource on public health issues IMO. Someone like Dr Fauci, who doesnt do those things, and who has verifiable, publicly known credentials, is an example of someone who is credible.
It was never a question of masking or not to mask for me because I never stopped. Beyond the protection, they give me a feeling of anonymity, which I like.
I was also one of the first people here to conclude the mitigation game is almost entirely centered around protecting yourself from respiratory transmission, while others here were debating how long to wash their hands, and other shit that never really mattered as much as the former. Never saw the need to self congratulate though.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I miss them.
LeftInTX
(25,226 posts)I was too busy trying to score TP.
littlemissmartypants
(22,631 posts)When I had a patient with mysterious, fatal infection and they put me and others in a high risk, life threatening situation. That one wrong recommendation caused me to lose faith in them forever.
Also, I haven't been reserved in my assessment of Dr. Rochelle Walensky as an unmitigated disaster. I can only hope that she is a better doctor than she is as a spokesperson and director.
I have been double masking since the onset. Nothing has changed with the exception of me being slightly less vigilant about my concern for fomite transmission of the virus. That's the only thing I have changed in the year and a half since this mess started.
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consider_this
(2,203 posts)got plenty of flack from family and others all saying I'm crazy for continuing with the mask and telling them why I thought that announcement was going to ef us all royally. I wish to hell I had been wrong.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)And I was attacked etc.
We never stopped masking and I stated on here at the time the decision was a big mistake. The damage is done. It is time to mandate masks again and vaccines. Maybe some of the damage can be mitigated. And we now know people with bt can spread delta as well. People whose cases are not being reported, or even recorded most likely, with milder symptoms or who are asymptomatic are spreading it as we speak.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)As a healthcare professional, it pains me to say that I'm losing faith in the CDC. The notion that nobody could've seen this coming is bs. Many of us did. My office never lifted the mask requirement for vaccinated persons. Even their new guidelines are ridiculous. Unless we are going to isolate high transmission areas, these low transmission areas will also see an uptick. The same principle applies throughout, if you are vaccinated, chances are you will not have a serious infection but you may contract the virus and spread it.
The constant flip flop only damages their credibility and bolsters the propaganda which is the opposite of what is needed.
This is a global problem that requires a global solution. We need to ramp up vaccination worldwide.
Why wait to wear masks until your low transmission area becomes a high transmission area? It makes no sense.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)So people should start wearing masks. I will observe, but there are no longer mask mandates. So I don't anticipate 100 % mask wearing.
BannonsLiver
(16,368 posts)Like some in the thread, I get a lot of my health and wellness info from Facebook, Reddit and DU. Ive got a wonderful person on Reddit helping me through a colon problem right now and its free! I have no idea they are who they say they are, but they sound knowledgeable so I just go with it.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)I'm curious to see how workplaces will respond. Many grabbed on the May CDC guidance as an excuse to make employees return to the work place.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)strict protection protocols because of stupid Republicans.
I did warn folks to stay away from Republicans because they did not get vaccinated, did not protect themselves, and others, by following protection protocols, and hung out together in groups, so the majority of them were carriers of the disease.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)when the "masks off, dance off" proclamation was made. Because I'd been fully vaccinated at that point, I took mine off when going to the grocery store, etc., but still never felt like I was ready to go into a crowded bar-type setting, knowing that it would be full of those who give the middle finger to science.
Johnny2X2X
(19,037 posts)I don't believe they caved to political pressure at all. And people forget that the CDC still recommended unvaccinated people wear masks, they couldn't control that all of the unvaccinated people would ignore them.
CDC follows the science, the data changes and their decisions change.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Part of the science was that not enough people were vaccinated and the infection rate was still too high. And delta was already spreading here, we already had info on delta then from other outbreaks that it was more contagious and had the potential to make existing vaccines less effective. Not to mention allowing the spread of any variant allows new variants to develop.
In addition they have been wrong numerous times or has given the wrong guidance with regards to covid, first saying early on that masks would not protect you when the data was available that the primary transmission was aerosol.
iemanja
(53,029 posts)What did you think the subsequent end of mask mandates would do? Of course it would result in greater transmission. That much is obvious.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)before making these big decisions.
Would save them a lot of embarrassment.
iemanja
(53,029 posts)Quite obviously an announcement that vaccinated people didn't need to wear masks, and the subsequent end of mandates around the nation, was going to result in unvaccinated people not wearing masks. Now it turns out that the vaccine isn't enough to protect us from Delta.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)You see it all the time with people using "common sense" on things like 9/11 and the Kennedy Assassination.
Or using common sense on things like extremely large ships or space craft.
I think they were actually using "common sense" when they said stop wearing masks if you are vaccinated.
When an event is out of the our common experience, common sense is terrible.
You're inventing nonsense to deflect from the situation. Clearly the CDC was wrong. The devastating spread of Delta proves it. The maskholes turned out to be wrong as well.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)When figuring out orbital mechanics. I hope you are never involved with space exploits.
If you think common sense will help you design a 100 story building, let me know so I can stay out of it.
If you think that common sense will help you design a Covid Vaccine. Best of luck to ya!
You are correct however! The CDC was wrong. They got it wrong.
Perhaps they should have just thrown away all that """science""" and """"research""" and just jumped on an Internet political chat board to get their answer.
Who needs doctors and education when it comes to understanding a never seen before virus that is ravaging the world. Just use common sense.
oasis
(49,376 posts)They strayed from the King James Version of the bible and latched onto the Donald Trump "Jesse James" interpretation.
Silent3
(15,190 posts)It was indeed safe for a few months for vaccinated people to go unmasked in many situations while the unvaccinated still needed to remain masked.
That's was correct health guidance. It is social science, not health science, that many unvaccinated people would use that situation to unmask too. You don't falsely tell people at low risk that they are at high risk just to keep them wearing masks. Perhaps the CDC could have added, "but please keep wearing your masks no matter what, so the unvaccinated can't get away with pretending to be vaccinated", but again, that's social science and politics, not health science.
Now a new variant has emerged that can be transmitted by the vaccinated too. So the CDC guidance has changed. And it will keep changing as conditions and data change.
It's easy to be "right" when your standard for "right" is zero tolerance for risk, but real life is always a risk/benefit tradeoff.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)our mask guidance.
We would not be here today.
Delta was ravaging India at that time. What did they think, we wouldnt get the variant.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)I said from the start telling vaccinated people they can take off their masks and party as if pandemic was over was stupid.
And it's not like cdc didn't know variants were spreading.
Silent3
(15,190 posts)...had been discovered at the time of that earlier guidance.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Highly transmissible. Must I go find the articles?
Silent3
(15,190 posts)and transmissible by the vaccinated are two very different bits of data.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Just winging it didnt work.
elias7
(3,997 posts)Never unmasked indoors anywhere, however.
Work in a rural ER in New England and it was nice to let our guard down for a month or so, but after India and UK and then hearing of delta starting to accelerate, the writing was on the wall
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)We don't eat in restaurants, we do carry-out though. We go to the grocery now, whereas we were shopping online and doing pickup. We have allowed family and friends back into our house, but that may change.
maxsolomon
(33,297 posts)Myself, I had 2 wonderful months of doing things unmasked outdoors after I got my 2nd jab.
I even went inside and ate a restaurant last week - unmasked. It was great.
Now I'm just pissed off at Refusers.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,667 posts)I expect the masks to be back with a vengeance.
malaise
(268,910 posts)I never stopped wearing masks
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)season is coming and the Covid variants (both of them) are concerning so I shall wear one. However, I think that if you are vaccinated, you have little to worry about.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)under 12.
So, I think a mask is prudent. I dont want to kill anyone. Myself or another.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Masked.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Lemon Lyman
(1,349 posts)I don't understand why stores aren't reverting to mask requirements. I'm pretty sure spending was strong throughout the pandemic. It's not like they had to ditch masks to stay in business. People had pretty much gotten used to wearing them indoors. Now almost nobody is wearing them (as predicted). The only thing I can come up with is that they got tired of the tantrum throwers. A small % of maskholes threw public baby tantrums. Contrast that with the pro-mask people. We aren't currently throwing tantrums about how everybody should be wearing masks.
I wish all of the stores would band together and bring back masks. I can choose whether or not I go to a concert (or whatever), but I have to buy supplies. Thankfully I am able to use curbside pickup for most of it.
Also, when people start throwing tantrums it's an easy fix. Just tell them their problems are over b/c they're never allowed in any of your stores again.
LeftInTX
(25,226 posts)Stores could have at least put up signs, "Masks recommended by the CDC" or something...
Employees were not wearing masks either....
Sympthsical
(9,071 posts)Nor, for that matter, are mass media very suited for science.
Even before Covid, if you ever read a lot of articles on scientific subjects, you'd notice the journalists really didn't understand what they were talking about. Now, we get these breathless headlines with studies and statistics that aren't presented in a clear, concise way within the appropriate context. If you consume a lot of media, even social media, you can find yourself receiving a lot of contradictory information. "What, exactly, should I be worried about here?"
I think the CDC absolutely made a political calculation. That is not what the CDC should be doing. When you don't fully have a grasp on something, you don't say anything. But with a pandemic and our 24/7 news cycles, these scientists kept feeling like they had to be out there saying something. Anything, really.
This was not super helpful - at all.
The WHO has been an absolute, politically-motivated clown show. Taiwan was begging them to take note of what was happening towards the beginning of the pandemic, and they flatly ignored them because, you know, China. That is not how science works.
People should use common sense. And I don't get the problem with masks. They're not that bad. Are people wearing some kind of uncomfortable monstrosities made of hard plastic? Get better masks, then. Eesh. I put one on any time I'm indoors in public for any reason. As soon as I finish this post, I'm heading out to gym, where I will do 45 minutes of cardio . . . with my mask on.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086QRX8QT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I use those. Crazy comfortable, adjustable, washable.
Not that difficult. I don't understand the resistance.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,341 posts)to quit wearing masks, which they did not want to do in the first place...
I never stopped wearing mine in public places, even though I am fully vaccinated.
Even if things ever get "back to normal", which seems very doubtful for the foreseeable future, I may continue to mask in busy public places like grocery or department stores-- the covid protocols are great at preventing colds or flu, which I should have had at least once and probably twice in the past year and a half, but have avoided...
The mask is a very small inconvenience, which has kept me from any communicable illnesses whatsoever during the pandemic. Also on the plus side, it negates the need to shave every single day, so I am saving money on razers and shaving cream. lol
Hugin
(33,120 posts)vaccines.
By somehow accelerating it's reproductive rate to enable spread before the victim's immune system could respond by producing antibodies.
BTW, I'm in no way proud or pleased by being correct.
Only crushed.