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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere's the the leaked internal CDC document if you'd like to read it.
The leaked document is actually an internally shared slide show presentation. You can view it in its entirety here.https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/54f57708-a529-4a33-9a44-b66d719070d9/note/7335c3ab-06ee-4121-aaff-a11904e68462.#page=1
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Here are the final two slides:
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Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)March 2020 is the longest month ever.
Xoan
(25,315 posts)To the skeptics.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Im the tenant from hell.
Think youre gonna evict me?
Not without one helluva fight.
-Delta
Ms. Toad
(34,055 posts)Slide 20:
to reduce transmission of the Delta variant
Crap. It's like the administration in my school all over again. The day before we shut down in March 2020, I was insisting that we needed to take steps to warn our students of the train headed at us - and I was told we didn't have the right holders for the signs yet.
Tape the damn signs to every wall you can find. Forget about nuanced messages. Now is too late to worry about messaging (the focus of a lot of the paper). Get everyone masked back up.
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)in big red letters. The data, including data from external sources, haven't been vetted and confirmed. There's also a disclaimer on the last page. I'm surprised you didn't see it when you read the document.
BOTTOM LINE: The data those recommendations are based on HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONFIRMED.
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New recommendations from federal health officials this week on when vaccinated Americans should don face masks came with a startling bolt of news: People who have had their shots and become infected with the delta variant of the coronavirus can harbor large amounts of virus just like unvaccinated people. That means they could become spreaders of the disease and should return to wearing masks indoors in certain situations, including when vulnerable people are present.
But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not publish the new research. In the text of the updated masking guidance, the agency merely cited CDC COVID-19 Response Team, unpublished data, 2021.
Some outside scientists have their own message: Show us the data.
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The data will be published imminently, according to a federal official knowledgeable about the research but who was not authorized to be a spokesperson for the government.
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But Fauci noted there is not yet clinical data on what the high viral loads mean in terms of disease transmission. You can make a reasonable assumption that vaccinated people can transmit the virus just like unvaccinated people can, Fauci said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/breakthrough-infections-cdc-data/2021/07/28/dcaaa6b2-efce-11eb-a452-4da5fe48582d_story.html
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I live in a state where broad, "stepped" policies are developed and implemented based on the advice and expertise of public health specialists and the recommendations of experts, (including federal agencies like the CDC) and then implemented by local (municipal and county) government. We listen to opinions, but follow the guidance and recommendations of experts.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Someone who would've told them not to drop the mask recommendation a couple of months ago because people don't make good individual decisions, they make decisions based on the messaging they get from the entire culture they live in.
Someone who'd be telling them for *ucks sake start the mask messaging NOW, start the public messaging of your likely outcome if infected for vaxxed vs unvaxxed NOW.
Couldn't agree with you more!
This seems to be pretty obvious stuff. Can we PLEASE err on the side of caution for once with the messaging from the CDC?