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packman

(16,296 posts)
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:36 PM Jul 2021

Two travellers from U.S. fined $20,000 each for fake vaccination documents




Two travellers who arrived in Toronto from the United States have been fined for providing fake COVID-19 proof of vaccination documents and lying about pre-departure tests.

The Public Health Agency of Canada says the travellers also didn’t comply with requirements to stay at a government-authorized hotel or to get tested upon arrival.

The agency says in a news release Friday that the travellers arrived last week and have been handed four fines totalling $19,720 each.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/07/30/two-travellers-from-us-fined-20000-each-for-fake-vaccination-documents.html
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Two travellers from U.S. fined $20,000 each for fake vaccination documents (Original Post) packman Jul 2021 OP
We all knew this was going to happen DFW Jul 2021 #1
Unlike the U.S. Canadians know what is going on in other countries. Delmette2.0 Jul 2021 #14
Several possibilities DFW Jul 2021 #19
Thanks that is a good possibility. Delmette2.0 Jul 2021 #20
Well, to be fair, Pinback Jul 2021 #31
So it would be good if you caught Covid! Dream Girl Jul 2021 #63
I'll have to take your word for it DFW Jul 2021 #65
Well, I eschew beef as well, truth be told Pinback Jul 2021 #70
I sympathize fully. N/T DFW Jul 2021 #71
Hilarious, considering that they won't get vaxxed Grokenstein Jul 2021 #64
Lol: Profiling -- they were from the U.S. Hortensis Jul 2021 #52
There are people right here on du who don't seem to be aware of fake vax documents. Treefrog Jul 2021 #42
name them Skittles Jul 2021 #2
Shaking my head. Yes there are really STUPID AMERICANS. StClone Jul 2021 #3
A new fave! 'Marigold Manchild' spanone Jul 2021 #9
Dayum you're good, StClone! Marigold Manchild! calimary Jul 2021 #62
They were sadly mistaken. lpbk2713 Jul 2021 #4
I can just hear them ranting about foreigners having the nerve to punish Americans. Solly Mack Jul 2021 #5
Did the Canadians confiscate these morons' MAGA hats? 11 Bravo Jul 2021 #6
That's probably what gave them away. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #53
OH, Canada! WHITT Jul 2021 #7
So, these deplorables... PJMcK Jul 2021 #8
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... is what's needed !! Stop enabling assholes who don't want to do what's right uponit7771 Jul 2021 #10
Thanks Canada!! nt Nittersing Jul 2021 #11
I am surprised Meowmee Jul 2021 #12
Did you read the article? ShazzieB Jul 2021 #17
Those idiots are something else. Blue_true Jul 2021 #32
Yes of course Meowmee Jul 2021 #41
Hey, Canada! They crossed your border ILLEGALLY! 70sEraVet Jul 2021 #13
Now, now.... ShazzieB Jul 2021 #15
I love this! I just laughed so hard! 🤣 herding cats Jul 2021 #16
Free vaccine? $20,000 fine? Generic Brad Jul 2021 #18
Yeah $20,000 each so if they are a couple then Bev54 Jul 2021 #26
I checked, dflprincess Jul 2021 #28
Not each, combined. Bev54 Jul 2021 #30
When I first posted, I did mistype thinking what 40K Canadian is in US $ dflprincess Jul 2021 #35
My hunch: They needed two vaccines and possibly an additional two weeks and didn't plan ahead LeftInTX Jul 2021 #56
Thank you, Canada! nt crickets Jul 2021 #21
so was it worth it...assholes.... bahboo Jul 2021 #23
Oh boy. They sure won't sleep tonight. C Moon Jul 2021 #24
How insane does this get?! Was it really worth it?! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2021 #25
They should keep them. SergeStorms Jul 2021 #27
+1000 llmart Jul 2021 #29
I thought Trudeau was opening the border wnylib Jul 2021 #33
Thank you Canada....n/t bluecollar2 Jul 2021 #34
Other countries have this same problem with citizens returning from the US (and no doubt elsewhere) peppertree Jul 2021 #36
I'm trying desperately (ok well not too desperately)... róisín_dubh Jul 2021 #47
Have you tried contacting your member of congress? wryter2000 Jul 2021 #50
Hmm, good idea, though my Rep. is currently embroiled in a kerfuffle with Cawthorn. róisín_dubh Aug 2021 #72
Fake COVID-19 documents... Does that mean those folks can now also be MerryBlooms Jul 2021 #37
Agreed! nt crickets Jul 2021 #38
A good question Lasher Jul 2021 #39
I kinda started liking the idea of thinkingagain Jul 2021 #69
Put these forgers in prison as well RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #40
Yes. Seems like the US would be interested in this case too. zuul Jul 2021 #43
Did the article identify the nationality of these travelers? Were they Canadian? U.S.? Other? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2021 #44
The article does not state their nationality. whopis01 Jul 2021 #46
Hopefully they have been transported to some penal colony in the Northwest Territories Klaralven Jul 2021 #45
We may have to create our own gulag in the tundra luvtheGWN Jul 2021 #51
Hooray wryter2000 Jul 2021 #48
Yay! Hit these idiots in the pocketbook. Their own greed is the only thing PatrickforB Jul 2021 #49
Saw this coming a mile away New Breed Leader Jul 2021 #54
The travelers were not Americans KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #55
Newsweek article says they are Canadian citizens... LeftInTX Jul 2021 #57
We've molly coddled long enough. It's lulled the morons into false impression about us ... marble falls Jul 2021 #58
Where's Nelson When I Need Him? COL Mustard Jul 2021 #59
Good. Grow up, babies. CaptainTruth Jul 2021 #60
i would like to know their names. barbtries Jul 2021 #61
Make sure their checks clear, Canada, before sending them back Grins Jul 2021 #66
Good! samplegirl Jul 2021 #67
Vaccination cards ... BlueWavePsych Jul 2021 #68
Best comment Nevilledog Aug 2021 #73

DFW

(54,378 posts)
1. We all knew this was going to happen
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:42 PM
Jul 2021

How could these idiots think the Canadians were unprepared for such attempts, or not expecting them?
I hope they are kept locked up until their relatives wire the money, and then locked out of Canada for two years.
Because of two arrogant jerks, a lot of Canadians will look at all visitors from the States as potential vaxx-frauds.

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
14. Unlike the U.S. Canadians know what is going on in other countries.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jul 2021

I wonder how they got caught?

DFW

(54,378 posts)
19. Several possibilities
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jul 2021

But if their docs were scanned, and the scans later verified, sooner or later something was going to go wrong—a QR code that turned out be a Five Guys menu in Kankakee, or whatever.

Pinback

(12,155 posts)
31. Well, to be fair,
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:27 PM
Jul 2021

Five Guys burgers contain Clorox. Or so I’ve been hearing from some very smart people.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
65. I'll have to take your word for it
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 03:35 PM
Jul 2021

I have serious cholesterol issues, so I haven't had a beef hamburger in over 20 years.

Pinback

(12,155 posts)
70. Well, I eschew beef as well, truth be told
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jul 2021

A family history of heart trouble and tendencies in that direction myself have led me to make several dietary adjustments over the years.

But I couldn’t resist the lure of a bleach quip.

Grokenstein

(5,723 posts)
64. Hilarious, considering that they won't get vaxxed
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 03:32 PM
Jul 2021

for fear of the tracking device in every dose!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Lol: Profiling -- they were from the U.S.
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:24 AM
Jul 2021

Seriously, how could Canada's 35+ million not know what's going on in the U.S.? A bunch of our friends each winter in Florida come down from Canada -- after carefully checking their chances of living to return home, of course.



 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
42. There are people right here on du who don't seem to be aware of fake vax documents.
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:15 AM
Jul 2021

Mins boggling at the national level though.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
3. Shaking my head. Yes there are really STUPID AMERICANS.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:46 PM
Jul 2021

But they will be punished, unlike the Marigold Manchild.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
4. They were sadly mistaken.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jul 2021


Just because they didn't take the Covid pandemic seriously they assumed no one else would.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
5. I can just hear them ranting about foreigners having the nerve to punish Americans.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:55 PM
Jul 2021

Because, you know, America!

Idiots.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
22. That's probably what gave them away.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:45 PM
Jul 2021

MAGAt hats and Trump flags flying on the back of their pick-em-up trucks.

That, and when the Border Control Officers asked them, "where were you born", they said. "from between my Momma's legs".

Not very bright, Trump's cult.

Response to SergeStorms (Reply #22)

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
10. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... is what's needed !! Stop enabling assholes who don't want to do what's right
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:05 PM
Jul 2021

... not those who can't but those who don't want to and screw it up for everyone else.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
12. I am surprised
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:13 PM
Jul 2021

One that officials could not tell the documents were fake immediately before they were allowed in and two that they are letting unvaccinated people in at all without proof of a valid medical excuse. It seems like they got off easy as well since there could have been a six month jail term and 750,000 fines.

But I am glad they were fined etc.

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
17. Did you read the article?
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jul 2021

They aren't just letting the unvaxxed in willy-nilly:

Those who are not fully vaccinated are still required to stay for three days at a government-approved hotel, quarantine for 14 days and undergo tests pre-departure, post-arrival and eight days later.


These chuckle heads tried to circumvent the rules for unvaxxed visitors (probably because it was too inconvenient for their little snowflake asses :eyes and use fake documentation to pose as having been vaccinated.

I'm glad that they were caught and the fine is high enough to sting, but I sure hope they weren't positive for covid (especially delta) when they crossed the border.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Those idiots are something else.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:28 PM
Jul 2021

They don’t believe in vaccines or vaccine passports, but they try to fake that they have both. Took a lot more effort than getting the damn shot(s).

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
41. Yes of course
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:12 AM
Jul 2021

I am surprised they are letting non vaxed people in “at all” even with requirements such as testing etc. because those can fail obviously. I don’t think is a good idea. Unvaxed people with no valid medical excuse not to be vaxed should not be allowed in imo. Let them get vaxed first, then they can travel there.

70sEraVet

(3,501 posts)
13. Hey, Canada! They crossed your border ILLEGALLY!
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:22 PM
Jul 2021

Put their kids in cages and send them back across the border WITHOUT their kids, and no way for them to know where their kids are!

ShazzieB

(16,396 posts)
15. Now, now....
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:39 PM
Jul 2021

There's no reason to expect our Canadian friends to lower themselves to the Former Guy's level!

Besides, we all know that hae way too much class for that!

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
26. Yeah $20,000 each so if they are a couple then
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:03 PM
Jul 2021

that will be almost $40,000 but it is CDN $ so it is less, I think they should have charged them in American dollars.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
35. When I first posted, I did mistype thinking what 40K Canadian is in US $
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:31 PM
Jul 2021

I corrected to 16K each, which is about what 20K Canadian is equal to.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
24. Oh boy. They sure won't sleep tonight.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:47 PM
Jul 2021

I bet they had a sly grin as they passed off the fake docs.

Rhiannon12866

(205,339 posts)
25. How insane does this get?! Was it really worth it?!
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:57 PM
Jul 2021

Paying an enormous fine was preferable than getting a free vaccine - like others they've gotten all their lives - that could save their lives!

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
27. They should keep them.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:09 PM
Jul 2021

Have them taxidermied, and placed in the Royal Ontario Museum 'Anthropology' wing, right next to the Neanderthal display.

Small cranium with a sloped forehead, lanter-jawed, wide nose with flared nostrils, stooped posture, knuckles dragging on the ground, and no discernible sex organs.

Yes, Canada, keep them as a cautionary example for your children, as to what can happen if they don't stay in school and they vote for the Conservative Party of Canada.

Please, and thank you.

wnylib

(21,463 posts)
33. I thought Trudeau was opening the border
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:29 PM
Jul 2021

on August 9th and Biden is holding out for August 23.

So how were these Ameticans crossing into Canada?

peppertree

(21,635 posts)
36. Other countries have this same problem with citizens returning from the US (and no doubt elsewhere)
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:39 PM
Jul 2021

In Argentina, a man (Santiago Solans Portillo, 29) who spent time in Florida was caught not only coming back with the Delta variant - but with a fake PCR test.

Around 200 were exposed on the plane - plus however many they exposed Covid to.

This was in May, as Argentina was in the throes of a massive wave of the Manaus variant - which is a lot like the Delta.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/traveler-faked-coronavirus-certificate-fly-130253390.html

róisín_dubh

(11,794 posts)
47. I'm trying desperately (ok well not too desperately)...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021

to figure out how I get cleared for travel. I'm supposed to fly back to the US on the 9th. I tested positive for COVID (though fully vaxxed) and will complete my mandatory 10-day isolation on Monday. I have been advised not to attempt re-testing for travel because of false positives. Instead, the CDC accepts a letter from a healthcare provider or public health official, but...my GP in England cannot provide one and the NHS doesn't seem to give them out either
The US Embassy told me to take a lateral flow.
I'm happy to stay here forever, but I suspect my boss will not appreciate this at all. Plus I do need to go back to the US for a few reasons.

Still, I won't forge documents. I guess I'll get back eventually.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
50. Have you tried contacting your member of congress?
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jul 2021

Their office can help run interference with federal agencies.

róisín_dubh

(11,794 posts)
72. Hmm, good idea, though my Rep. is currently embroiled in a kerfuffle with Cawthorn.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 05:32 AM
Aug 2021

Maybe I'll email Manchin instead. I'm hoping the airline will take a letter from my doctor in the US.

A ray of hope is that I did an at-home test this morning and was negative. But I don't want to wait until the last minute at the airport and then have a problem.

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
37. Fake COVID-19 documents... Does that mean those folks can now also be
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:51 PM
Jul 2021

charged and fined here in the US? Seems to me they should also be held accountable under our US COVID-19 fake vax card, laws and penalties.

thinkingagain

(906 posts)
69. I kinda started liking the idea of
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 06:38 PM
Jul 2021

Charging them with a federal felony.
Sure that it won’t happen. But making fake Medical records should be especially to cross a international border.
I’m just getting sick and tired of the bull crap and if fines and jail or prison is what it takes for liars and cheaters then so be it. To me they are worse than someone who just won’t get the shot for whatever reason that is bad enough possibly spreading death but to add lies and fake documents on top. Grrrrr

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
45. Hopefully they have been transported to some penal colony in the Northwest Territories
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 06:18 AM
Jul 2021

Canada has the right climate for a Gulag.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
51. We may have to create our own gulag in the tundra
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 AM
Jul 2021

if this keeps happening!

I expect that couple arrived in Toronto by plane. Land crossings for non-essential visits are a no-no and they would have been turned back immediately.

PatrickforB

(14,574 posts)
49. Yay! Hit these idiots in the pocketbook. Their own greed is the only thing
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:11 AM
Jul 2021

any of them understand.

For the life of me, I just don't get how refusing to take a vaccine makes 'Murika grate agin.'

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
55. The travelers were not Americans
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:55 AM
Jul 2021

Canada does not open to fully vaccinated Americans until Aug 9. The people in the article crossed from the US but were either Canadian citizens or non Canadians who live in Canada.

Canada's vaccine strategy was different than ours. I believe they concentrated on first dose as many as possible then worry about the 2nd. They should hit Trudeau's goal of 75% fully vaxxed Canadians by the time the borders open to American travelers.

LeftInTX

(25,328 posts)
57. Newsweek article says they are Canadian citizens...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jul 2021

In an email to Newsweek, the Public Health Agency of Canada said the travelers were Canadian citizens. It said the incidents the government described Friday "are the only instances since July 5th of fraudulent documents detected at the border."

https://www.newsweek.com/us-travelers-hit-20k-fine-falsifying-international-vaccination-documents-1614839

Who knows..

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
58. We've molly coddled long enough. It's lulled the morons into false impression about us ...
Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:20 PM
Jul 2021

... Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the right team for these times. Now we begin holding people accountable.

Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
73. Best comment
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 03:50 PM
Aug 2021


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