125,000 fully vaccinated Americans tested positive for #Covid--that's 0 .00076%

[riversedge]

That’s .00076 percent of all fully vaccinated Americans.

Link to tweet

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At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans tested positive for Covid

[lame54]

1. How many hospitalized?

[PortTack]

3. Which should be the more important statistic

[Blue_Adept]

36. A lot of attention has been placed on the Provincetown breakthrough

Where 74% of 900 people that were vaccinated have the virus.

The results?

7 people hospitalized - 4 of which were vaccinated.

[MyNameIsKhan]

2. I don't get this, question is how many have been exposed and got infected ?

Not all of vaccinated Americans have been exposed to virus

[former9thward]

20. That is an impossible question.

No one can know if they were exposed and did not get infected.

[lagomorph777]

23. Pretty much impossible to answer that question.

Safe to assume almost all of us have been exposed at some point, though the smarter (non-Reptilian) of us are masked and therefore safer.

[NurseJackie]

34. If "exposed" were we safer because the vaccine worked 100%, or because...

... we often employed masking and social distancing and self-isolation?

I think it's a mistake for people to imply that the vaccine is 99.99924% effective.

[lagomorph777]

38. It's all of the above, of course.

We can't rely on just one layer of protection anymore.

[NurseJackie]

39. I guess my question was unclear.

[Wingus Dingus]

4. I have a question maybe someone can weigh in on--

Is there a benefit as a vaccinated person to catch the Delta variant so as to be exposed and produce some natural-infection antibodies in case the disease mutates again into deadlier strains down the road? Seeing as there are very few hospitalizations and deaths so far in vaccinated people. I'm just wondering. Not going to go to Delta parties, LOL. Have not seen good data about people who have had Covid infections prior to Delta and then caught Delta.

[lagomorph777]

24. I wouldn't take that bet.

Avoid it like the plague. It IS the plague.

[Ace Rothstein]

29. Plague is more than 10x more deadly than COVID.

They aren't in the same stratosphere.

[lagomorph777]

30. OK. It is A plague.

No, not spcifically Bubonic Plague.

[LisaL]

5. And?

To start with, it's a guesswork.
More than 125,000?
How much more?
We also not testing a lot of people, so we have no way of knowing how many really got infected.

[Wingus Dingus]

6. .076. He corrected it. Still not bad, but asymptomatic people aren't getting

tested, so we really don't know.

[Pobeka]

7. In two to four weeks, we'll have daily case numbers approaching what we had last January

And that will be mostly due to Delta.

I want to see this number around Sept 15, that will give a better view of how the vaccine is operating to prevent symptomatic infection from Delta.

[Mariana]

8. Andrew Feinberg should review how to calculate percentages.

He's off by a factor of 100. Riversedge, you should edit your headline because it repeats incorrect information.

The 125,682 "breakthrough" cases in 38 states represent less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people fully vaccinated since January.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/breakthrough-covid-cases-least-125-000-fully-vaccinated-americans-have-n1275500

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. Sam Wang agrees and I trust Sam on numbers

Link to tweet

[Crunchy Frog]

10. It might make sense to do a new comparison

that encompasses only the period of time in which Delta has been the dominant variant.

Extrapolating pre-Delta to Delta doesn't seem to make a lot of sense given the big differences in transmissibility.

[LisaL]

11. Very true.

They are also estimating a number of break through infections.
More than 125,000 -how much more? We aren't testing nearly enough to figure that out.
Our infection numbers in reality are likely much higher than what we are reporting.

[Celerity]

12. shambolic tweet

1. Feinberg can't even do basic maths. The numbers presented (which are massively off anyway) show .076%, not .00076%. I see he has now corrected it, so at least he gets points for that.

2. The CDC doesn't even track non hospitalised breakthrough cases for vaxxed people.

3. The actual scientific studies show that at BEST (Pfizer against the origin strain) the top-performing vaccine had a 95% or so efficacy rate at preventing infection. That is down to (again with the best vax results) 80% against Delta for the Pfizer vax at preventing infections, (88% efficacy are preventing symptomatic disease). J & J is far worse across the board. Against certain variants, certain vaccines are a complete fail. The non US-used (but massively used in other nations) AstraZeneca vaccine, for instance, only has a 10.4% efficacy rate versus the Beta (B.1.351 aka South African) variant.

[LeftInTX]

13. My daughter was fully vaccinated and she caught it!

Also 6 Democrat Reps caught it up in DC...So far that's 7 fully vaccinated people that I know!

That means I know .0056% of those who caught it after being vaccinated..

Isn't that amazing!

[Crunchy Frog]

21. A long time friend of my mother's got it along with her husband and mother.

The mother was in ICU from it.

So you've got three more. Also, several DUers have reported getting it.

[LeftInTX]

14. The vaccine had an efficiacy of about 80% in clinical trials

I think it is still around 20%
Now with delta surge and the fact that full vaccinated people can spread it, we need to be more cautious than this

[beaglelover]

15. I really only care about how many fully vaxed people

Are getting infected and DYING from COVID.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. Stopping transmission is important for preventing the development of still more variants.

[Celerity]

35. +1

[Deminpenn]

16. Those pesky facts!

The nerve of them getting in the way of a major over-reaction.

[LisaL]

17. If you are referring to the OP, the guy who tweeted is very bad in math, and the number

is anything but a fact.

[Deminpenn]

18. It is a miniscule number when compared to total vaccinated people

The sky really is not falling.

[LisaL]

19. US is starting to hit over 100k daily.

And it's a middle of the summer.

[Deminpenn]

33. Here is the problem with relying on case counts

There is not a standard SARS-CoV2 test being done. There are probably about half a dozen different tests approved by the CDC. They don't all look for the same spike protein markers and some look for more than one genetic marker. They all copy the virus RNA up to 40 times regardless, but it is known that after 35 copies (could be as low as 30), the virus detected is usually not really viable. Since the number of copies made before getting a positive result is not reported, there is no way to know the number of truly infected or infectious people. The only to know is to do a culture of the sample taken from each person. But that is time-consuming and rarely done.

[Ms. Toad]

28. Those breakthrough cases largely occurred when Delta was not circulating,

when people were wearing masks, and when the number of active infections was far lower.

The number of breakthrough cases is proportional to the exposure to COVID. There were > 100,000 cases yesterday. That's a lot of COVID running around to be exposed to. The breakthrough cases will increase (likely dramatically) as exposure increases.

That is not to say the vaccines are ineffective. They are not - but just like seatbelts they are not 100% protective. That's why cars have air bags - to take up the slack. That's why vaccinated people should continue to contribute to lowering the community risk by wearing masks, avoiding large indoor crowds, and distancing.

[UTUSN]

25. K& big R#5 for, at least a bit of hope!

[GulfCoast66]

26. Careful with that post.

It’s de rigueur on DU now that we vaccinated people are falling like flies.

Make no mistake I’m still masking when in the store or entering restaurants. But take it off when I eat.

8 months ago it was I was truly afraid about getting real sick or worse, bring it home to the wife. Stayed home and all that noise. We did not get it.

Now it’s because I don’t want to be sick for even a few days or worse, take it to my wife’s aunt in a nursing home we can now visit.

But I’m no longer afraid of dying. If I was I would not drive. Because I understand statistics.

The fact is almost 100% of those in the ICU with Covid are unvaccinated. The hospitals tell us.

And I’m beyond pissed off. If we had 85% vaccinated, which we easily could have, this shit would be over.

We live in the richest nation in the history of humanity. We got a vaccine available to everyone 5 months ago. But 40% of our stupid dumbass fellow citizens believe in woo. And because of this we still have Americans dying wholesale.

Biden should announce that since Americans don’t wNt the vaccine he is sending the unused doses to Africa. That would chaff their asses.

[womanofthehills]

32. 'Physicians, nurses, ancillary staff': How hundreds of SFGH and UCSF staff got infected with COVID

More than 230 staff members are infected with COVID, most of which are breakthrough cases.SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Two major San Francisco hospitals - Zuckerberg San Francisco General and UCSF - are reporting more than 230 staff members infected with COVID - most of them breakthrough cases.

RELATED: 3 Bay Area counties may be 1st to mandate masks again; here's why

"More staff are getting COVID than we saw before, and it's mostly vaccinated staff. And that's just because of the easing of restrictions," said Dr. Lukejohn Day, the Chief Medical Officer of San Francisco General Hospital. "We are seeing it among physicians, nurses, ancillary staff, we sort of are seeing that across the board." https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-outbreak-san-francisco-general-hospital-sf-covid-ucsf/10920805/

[GulfCoast66]

37. How many of the are hospitalized? None.

I knew when I got vaccinated it was not bulletproof. But it pretty much is for getting real sick.

If as a vacated person I stayed home and isolated then I should every flu season because that is the risk I now have.

[Ms. Toad]

27. That's a snapshot in time.

Just because the remainder of the vaccinated individuals did not test positive during an era of low infection, coupled with mitigation, minus (for the most part) the delta variant does not mean they will remain uninfected now that all mitigation has been removed, the delta is the dominant variant, and there were >100,000 cases in the US yesterday.

Yes, the vaccines are effective - BUT - you can still catch COVID (over time the number of vaccinated infected will end up to be approximately 5-20% of the number of unvaccinated who are infected). The miniscule snapshot-in-time numbers are misleading and, to the extent they minimize the risk of COVID, they contributed to the danger presented by COVID.