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Marius25

(3,213 posts)
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:28 PM Aug 2021

Remember Phil Valentine, Conservative Radio Host in Nashville?

He's spent months downplaying Covid and telling his listeners not to get the vaccine. He got Covid and was put on a ventilator last week.

His brother tweeted that they're now trying to find a hospital with an ECMO machine to transfer him to.

For those not aware, ECMO is Extra-Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation machine. It's basically dialysis for the heart and lungs. It's a last-ditch hail Mary, typically used to allow someone to live long enough to get a heart or lung transplant.

For Phil Valentine, that means his lungs are so badly damaged by Covid, they can't process enough oxygen for even a ventilator to help him, so his blood has to be oxygenated outside the body.

It's extremely expensive to operate (typically millions of dollars), requires a team of specialists, completely wrecks the body even if you survive, and has a fairly low survival rate.

It's crazy how many idiots are downplaying this virus. They never learn until they're dying in the hospital.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-radio-host-phil-valentine-needs-ecmo-machine-to-fight-covid-brother-says

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Remember Phil Valentine, Conservative Radio Host in Nashville? (Original Post) Marius25 Aug 2021 OP
Suppose his listeners will change their minds... PortTack Aug 2021 #1
Who knows. Blue_true Aug 2021 #5
I guess they should hold up huge posters. sheshe2 Aug 2021 #8
That picture would make a good bumper sticker. Blue_true Aug 2021 #9
Not unless it happens to them. Jim__ Aug 2021 #52
thoughts and.... NewHendoLib Aug 2021 #2
Doesn't look good for him. Blue_true Aug 2021 #3
Yea, his goose is cooked Strelnikov_ Aug 2021 #17
Waste of a donor's lungs............ DENVERPOPS Aug 2021 #26
His brother and other family members seem to have some common sense. Blue_true Aug 2021 #55
Hopefully, listeners will now get vaxxed nt XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #4
After 600,000 died so far, it's doubtful they'll change their minds now nattyice Aug 2021 #51
He can play canasta, bridge and cribbage with Rush Limbaugh. That should be fun. magicarpet Aug 2021 #6
What burns me up is this: DFW Aug 2021 #7
On Twitter, his son was criticizing some people for "politicizing" the situation when they were just deurbano Aug 2021 #20
I hope he gets the very best version of the Covid-Delta, OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2021 #10
Always hated that he broadcast out of Nashville...one of Tennessee's more liberal cities. spanone Aug 2021 #11
More info here ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #12
HE and Herman Caine can swap stories demtenjeep Aug 2021 #13
Herman will be glad to see him Blue Owl Aug 2021 #25
Herman, then Rushbo! Been an especially rough year for The Rich White Guy Party... czarjak Aug 2021 #31
These belligerent anti-vaxxers will never be convinced. sop Aug 2021 #14
He's toast. No tears from me. GulfCoast66 Aug 2021 #15
That's how I feel. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #54
Adios. roamer65 Aug 2021 #16
So? If he dies, he's solely to blame, eh? machoneman Aug 2021 #18
Wow. That's something. Now watch this drive. Comfortably_Numb Aug 2021 #19
I tried to find some extra fucks to give, but CanonRay Aug 2021 #21
He finally expressed regret but too late for him. Reminds mw Steve Jobs after being diagnosed Pepsidog Aug 2021 #22
A survivable type of pancreatic cancer? wnylib Aug 2021 #32
I read the book many years ago and there is some controversy regarding Jobs delaying surgery Pepsidog Aug 2021 #42
Surgery for Jobs might have delayed the inevitable wnylib Aug 2021 #43
Very sad to hear the pain people with cancer and their loved ones experience. They had no choice Pepsidog Aug 2021 #44
I don't understand it. wnylib Aug 2021 #47
I hate to be cold, but if it cost $1.25 to treat him, it's not worth the money. NNadir Aug 2021 #23
karma is a a bitch & now paying the ultimate price , unfortunately more to come !!! monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #24
His father was a Democratic member of Congress, Tim Valentine. SouthBayDem Aug 2021 #27
ECMO causes strokes easily in patients... given what Covid does to the body... JCMach1 Aug 2021 #28
To be brutally honest, he should be ineligible for anything beyond basic care Tarc Aug 2021 #29
Hey, let the hospitals use up his money. alfredo Aug 2021 #39
"He wishes he could do it over." Grokenstein Aug 2021 #30
What on Earth made him think that he was low-risk? Pool Hall Ace Aug 2021 #49
A death of pain, regret, and sorrow. NBachers Aug 2021 #33
Who is paying for this? Demobrat Aug 2021 #34
And how many of his listeners got infected, spread it to others, or died IronLionZion Aug 2021 #35
"(The new treatment is) extremely expensive to operate (typically millions of dollars)" Grins Aug 2021 #36
I hope he survives long enough to run up the medical tab. dreamland Aug 2021 #40
As long as he's responsible and not us. Demobrat Aug 2021 #41
Tots and pears... chwaliszewski Aug 2021 #37
Gawd, that sucks! Iggo Aug 2021 #38
Not vaccinated, of course. LisaL Aug 2021 #45
Very definition of "waste of oxygen" Nevilledog Aug 2021 #46
Fuck him Roland99 Aug 2021 #48
X 1000. (nt) Paladin Aug 2021 #53
Tough. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #50
Apparently stable now and not on ECMO. Owl Aug 2021 #56

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
5. Who knows.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:36 PM
Aug 2021

The Arkansas Governor got booed viciously for begging people to get vaccinated.

Their hero is a nut like DeSantis, a person who is throwing roadblocks in front of commonsense COVID reduction actions, while talking out the side of his mouth about people getting vaccinated.

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
8. I guess they should hold up huge posters.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:43 PM
Aug 2021

They can state that they all want to die, have their family and friends die so they can state unequivocally...



Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
3. Doesn't look good for him.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:32 PM
Aug 2021

He will almost certainly need a lung transplant to have a prayer at long term survival.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
55. His brother and other family members seem to have some common sense.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 08:01 PM
Aug 2021

I hope that his brother and other family members redouble their advice to people to get vaccinated ASAP.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
7. What burns me up is this:
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:40 PM
Aug 2021

If he survives, he will ask his followers to send him money because the Lord heard his prayers (medical personnel get no credit), and thus hears him and speaks through him, etc.

If he doesn‘t survive, will there be any message of regret or contrition, or will we only hear that the Lord decided to call him home? Nothing like, „the Lord offered him vaccine and masks, but Satan talked him out of both,“ for which the evidence is just as convincing as for the other version.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
20. On Twitter, his son was criticizing some people for "politicizing" the situation when they were just
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:09 PM
Aug 2021

urging him to use this opportunity to not just ask for prayers, but to encourage his dad's (misled) followers to get vaccinated. They are nothing but projection (and shamelessness.)

czarjak

(11,274 posts)
31. Herman, then Rushbo! Been an especially rough year for The Rich White Guy Party...
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:57 PM
Aug 2021

Dropping like flies. Real shame.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. He's toast. No tears from me.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 10:38 PM
Aug 2021

How many people did he send to death before him?

The family is just pissing away his estates money now. Too bad.

Not really. I hope it costs every penny he earned feeding people poison.

I really did not use to be this callous.

Elessar Zappa

(13,991 posts)
54. That's how I feel.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 01:11 PM
Aug 2021

It may be heartless but I can’t find it in me to give a damn about these assholes who are harming themselves and others with their ridiculous rhetoric. Only thing I have to say is that I hope some of his followers choose to be vaccinated now.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
22. He finally expressed regret but too late for him. Reminds mw Steve Jobs after being diagnosed
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:14 PM
Aug 2021

with pancreatic cancer, the survivable kind, and he refused traditional treatment until it was too late. In Isaacson’s biography Jobs did express regret for not listening to the docs and friends who pleaded with him to ditch the holistic, mind over matter bullshit that he thought he could cure himself without traditional medicine. I don’t know why. I just thought of that. This radio host, by all accounts, spread lies and disinformation and now is suffering the same fate as Jobs. While I feel sad for Jobs because he really did change the world and could jave done so much more had he lived, Valentine is getting what he deserves.

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
32. A survivable type of pancreatic cancer?
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:00 AM
Aug 2021

Didn't know there was such a thing. I thought surviving pancreatic cancer depended on early diagnosis and treatment rather than type. Even when found early it's tough to beat. I have known two people who died from it. One was a hospital chief of surgery. He declined treatment because he knew the odds and did not want to put himself and his family through prolonged suffering and expense.

The other one was my aunt. She suffered a long, painful death.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
42. I read the book many years ago and there is some controversy regarding Jobs delaying surgery
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 02:14 AM
Aug 2021

for nine months. Some experts say he might have survived. For a brief overview of the issue read
and see what you think

[link:https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/10/20/cancer-experts-say-apples-former-ceo-steve-jobs-could-still-be-alive-had-he-had-surgery-earlier/amp/|

However, reading about pancreatic cancer just now it seems you are indeed correct, it is a fatal form of cancer.

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
43. Surgery for Jobs might have delayed the inevitable
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:47 AM
Aug 2021

for him, giving him a little more time.

My aunt tried that, followed up by treatments. But finally she just accepted the reality and insisted on staying home instead of being hospitalized. She had morphine for the pain. This was my father's sister. Every time he visited her at home, she begged him to kill her with a morphine OD to end the pain.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
44. Very sad to hear the pain people with cancer and their loved ones experience. They had no choice
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:55 AM
Aug 2021

which makes this covid situation and the idiots all the much maddening.

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
47. I don't understand it.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 10:12 AM
Aug 2021

Like other people my age (70s), I grew up with vaccines as a normal and welcome part of life, to prevent crippling illness and death.

Many years ago, in my 20s, I had a coworker who was a Christian Scientist. She was avid about natural foods, vitamin supplements, and "living right" to avoid illness. But even she said that her religion allowed for medical treatment to save lives.

The anti medicine and anti vaccine movement today is self-destructive. It is also very selfishly socially destructive.

SouthBayDem

(32,023 posts)
27. His father was a Democratic member of Congress, Tim Valentine.
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:43 PM
Aug 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Valentine

He served in NC-2 from 1983-95 (the district is now represented by Deborah Ross, who was elected in 2020). I wonder what he would say about his son's behavior, not to mention today's politics.

JCMach1

(27,558 posts)
28. ECMO causes strokes easily in patients... given what Covid does to the body...
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:48 PM
Aug 2021

I believe I saw one story about a patient in DFW who survived Covid with ECMO.

I would think it must be pretty rare.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
29. To be brutally honest, he should be ineligible for anything beyond basic care
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:54 PM
Aug 2021

Lie in the bed you made, son.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
30. "He wishes he could do it over."
Sun Aug 1, 2021, 11:56 PM
Aug 2021
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/07/28/phil-valentine-coronavirus-vaccine

"What are my odds of getting COVID? They're pretty low,” he wrote on his blog. “What are my odds of dying from COVID if I do get it? Probably way less than 1%." He added: “I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I’m just using common sense.”

Now Phil Valentine wants people to know that he was wrong — and that he should have taken the vaccine. He wants others to reconsider their thoughts on vaccines.

Because Phil Valentine is struggling to breathe, Mark Valentine has been speaking on his brother’s behalf. Workers often reposition the radio host, who is still “extremely sick,” so fluid doesn’t collect in his lungs, Mark Valentine says.

“We're in for the long haul, it looks like. It's just a bad time,” his brother says, “and he wishes he could do it over.”


Wishes ain't fishes. Phil thought it wouldn't affect him, that he would dodge the bullet, that someone else would die while he laughed.

How's "common sense" working out for you now, bastard.

When Phil Valentine is back on air, Mark Valentine says his brother will double down on that message.

“Phil will be the most pro-vaccine person you've ever seen as soon as he's able to be,” he says.


...Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you--oh, wait.

Pool Hall Ace

(5,849 posts)
49. What on Earth made him think that he was low-risk?
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:45 PM
Aug 2021

He will be 62 on his next birthday (if he makes it to September), he is unvaccinated, doesn’t wear a mask, yet somehow sees himself as low-risk?

Demobrat

(8,977 posts)
34. Who is paying for this?
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:05 AM
Aug 2021

Is this treatment available to everyone?

Or just people who have $1.25M lying around?

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
35. And how many of his listeners got infected, spread it to others, or died
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:10 AM
Aug 2021

but don't have money for this expensive and desperate life saving treatment? There are only so many lungs available for transplant. So as COVID patients take them it will be longer and longer for people with other non-elective conditions to get new lungs.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
36. "(The new treatment is) extremely expensive to operate (typically millions of dollars)"
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:20 AM
Aug 2021

I’m guessing the bill he has already run up has already cost his family a million plus. Now add this on top? This will financially ruin his family. And if he survives this last-ditch effort, the effects of surviving Covid that has hit him this bad will go on for years, costing even more money he won’t have. Until death.

Because he wouldn’t get a FREE vaccination.

I just can’t feel sorrow for him.

dreamland

(964 posts)
40. I hope he survives long enough to run up the medical tab.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:24 AM
Aug 2021

Call it karma payment for all those lives he may have ruined because of his lies.

Demobrat

(8,977 posts)
41. As long as he's responsible and not us.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:36 AM
Aug 2021

I really don’t want my tax dollars used or my insurance premiums hiked to pay for his stupidity.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
38. Gawd, that sucks!
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:21 AM
Aug 2021

Was he vaccinated?

Or was he playing Let’s Own The Libs?

Either way, that’s a helluva way to go.

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