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Nevilledog

(51,203 posts)
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:23 AM Aug 2021

Alexander Vindman: What I Heard in the White House Basement



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What I Heard in the White House Basement
I knew the president had clear and straightforward talking points—I’d written them.
theatlantic.com
5:28 PM · Aug 1, 2021


One phone call changed my life.

On Thursday, July 25, 2019, I was seated at the table in one of the two Situation Rooms in the basement of the West Wing. The bigger room is famous from movies and TV shows, but this room is smaller, more typically businesslike: a long wooden table with 10 chairs, maybe a dozen more chairs against wood-paneled walls, and a massive TV screen. This was the room where President Barack Obama and his team watched a feed of the Osama bin Laden raid. This morning, the screen was off. We were all focused intently on the triangular conference-call speaker in the middle of the table. President Donald Trump’s communications team was placing a call to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, and we were there to listen.

I was a 44-year-old U.S. Army lieutenant colonel assigned to a position equivalent to that of a two-star general, three levels above my rank. Since July 2018, I’d been at the National Security Council, serving as the director for Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Russia. Recently, deep concerns had been growing throughout the U.S. foreign-policy community regarding two of the countries I was responsible for. We’d long been confused by the president’s policy of accommodation and appeasement toward Russia. But now there were new, rapidly emerging worries. This time the issue was the president’s inexplicable hostility toward a U.S. partner crucial to our Russia strategy: Ukraine.

Ukraine has been a scene of tension and violence since at least the Middle Ages. In 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, seizing the Crimean Peninsula, home to millions and representing nearly 5 percent of Ukraine’s territory, and attacking its industrial heartland, the Donbass, cleaving even more territory and millions of Ukrainians away from the capital, Kyiv.

By 2019, little had changed. Russia’s annexation and incorporation of the Crimea into the Russian Federation persisted, and Russian military and security forces and their proxy separatists continued to occupy the Donbass. Ukraine’s security was precarious, but the country’s importance as a bulwark against Russian aggression in Eastern Europe had only grown. The region could not have been more sensitive, volatile, or crucial to U.S. and NATO interests. Ukrainian leaders had recently assured National Security Adviser John Bolton that they were content to play the role of a buffer against Russian aggression; geography left them little choice. But they did request aid. Actually, they insisted that if Ukrainian blood were to be spilled to defend both the country’s independence and the freedom and prosperity of Europe, the least the West could do was support their efforts.

*snip*


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Alexander Vindman: What I Heard in the White House Basement (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2021 OP
KNR niyad Aug 2021 #1
There's one reason I'll listen to what Vindman has to say... Hugin Aug 2021 #2
Yup, vindman's a patriot onetexan Aug 2021 #9
Vindman is one of two heroes from that administration. Marie Yovanovitch being the other. Probatim Aug 2021 #3
What you said. panader0 Aug 2021 #4
Well, also there was cilla4progress Aug 2021 #8
Exactly! I was going to add her name... liberalla Aug 2021 #10
She was mentioned in the article from Vindman - but I didn't recall much of her to make a comment. Probatim Aug 2021 #15
And Sally Yates! chia Aug 2021 #18
And Reality Winner. amywalk Aug 2021 #21
YES chia Aug 2021 #23
And David Holmes. soldierant Aug 2021 #32
K&R 2naSalit Aug 2021 #5
No new information, just a couple pages from his book. KS Toronado Aug 2021 #6
I kept waiting for the big reveal...aaaand...nothing. NullTuples Aug 2021 #29
TFG was extorting Ukraine to damage Biden at home and boost his own political fortunes ffr Aug 2021 #7
Salute! keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #11
Excellent.. TY Cha Aug 2021 #26
Trump says Vindman disgrace to the uniform keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #12
"Distinguished Lying Cross." ZZenith Aug 2021 #25
K&R gademocrat7 Aug 2021 #13
This is testimony in the 2019 impeachment msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #14
A true hero live love laugh Aug 2021 #16
I had hoped by now SayItLoud Aug 2021 #17
Vindman was listening because of his regional foreign policy responsibilities. LudwigPastorius Aug 2021 #19
+1000 ancianita Aug 2021 #20
When America elects a mentally ill person.. BradBo Aug 2021 #22
Mentally ill. But to his sheeple, he's just one of them. erronis Aug 2021 #24
You Can't Make This Shit Up Beetwasher. Aug 2021 #27
He, his brother and father were interviewed on CBS Sunday Morning yesterday. llmart Aug 2021 #28
KnR Hekate Aug 2021 #30
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2021 #31

Hugin

(33,213 posts)
2. There's one reason I'll listen to what Vindman has to say...
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:40 AM
Aug 2021

He risked it all to testify BEFORE TFG was voted the hell out of his squattage in the WH.

Probatim

(2,543 posts)
3. Vindman is one of two heroes from that administration. Marie Yovanovitch being the other.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:50 AM
Aug 2021

While all the others would write books after the fact, he put his career on the line to tell the truth.

Every single one of them saw a chance to make a buck or hid out of fear of TFG's wrath.

I hope he's held as an example of how the military should act in the face of an actual threat to the country.

Probatim

(2,543 posts)
15. She was mentioned in the article from Vindman - but I didn't recall much of her to make a comment.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:40 PM
Aug 2021

Upon further reading, she spent 10 hours behind closed doors giving testimony and, during public testimony, rolled Sondland under the bus.

I believe her testimony came after she was forced out by TFG.

soldierant

(6,934 posts)
32. And David Holmes.
Tue Aug 3, 2021, 12:16 AM
Aug 2021

I don't have a photographic memory, but I do have a set of ceramic shot glasses (merch from Wonkette) which commemoirates the four of them, each on his or her own glass, as iconic saints. And I use them for organizing pens and crafting tools, so they are always at my desk.

(Sorry, I'm pretty sure they are sold out now.)

ffr

(22,672 posts)
7. TFG was extorting Ukraine to damage Biden at home and boost his own political fortunes
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 11:18 AM
Aug 2021
Jennifer Williams, of the State Department, was sitting next to me at the table. I’m not sure how much she picked up at that precise moment, but later she said that she had a concern. A press officer was also on the call; she wasn’t missing any nuance. A European immigrant like me, she’d served in Eastern Europe and knew how certain governments there operated. They operated like this.

Now we knew: This was what Giuliani, Sondland, and Mulvaney had been up to. This was the president’s purpose in placing a hold on the funds to Ukraine. He meant to use lifting the hold as an inducement for Zelensky to dig up dirt on Biden. His real purpose in making this call had nothing to do with repairing Ukraine policy. He was extorting Ukraine to damage a political challenger at home and boost his own political fortunes.


Disgusting. Corrupt on every level. They should all be behind bars, yet they are not. FUCK!

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
14. This is testimony in the 2019 impeachment
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:25 PM
Aug 2021

Nearly every single detail in this August 1, 2021 article, is a near verbatim of Vindman's testimony to Congress in Senate Impeachment trial, with a few minor exceptions as regards relationship with Fiona vs the new guy Morrison I think is his name.

But the shocking remarks from Trump on the conference call effecting head snapping, isn't new information.

Seeing a number of republished outdated articles, tweets, editorials recently. Curious.

The upside, in case some folks couldn't watch the impeachment hearings throughout it's entirety, will now have written accounting of why we impeached that monster. Senate should have convicted, it's beyond a national disgrace they refused.


live love laugh

(13,141 posts)
16. A true hero
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 01:16 PM
Aug 2021

“… I do remember looking around the conference room when the meeting broke up, knowing that others, including my boss, had heard what I’d heard. In that moment, I realized something right away. Nobody else was going to say anything about it. I was the person most knowledgeable about and officially responsible for the portfolio. If I didn’t report up the chain of command what I knew, no one might ever find out what the president was up to with Ukraine and the 2020 U.S. election.”

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
17. I had hoped by now
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 01:22 PM
Aug 2021

the Biden admin would have recognized him, his brother and all those who stepped up and spoke out.

LudwigPastorius

(9,181 posts)
19. Vindman was listening because of his regional foreign policy responsibilities.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 02:02 PM
Aug 2021

Not everyone who listened in on Trump's calls had his integrity or respect for the Constitution. How many Trump calls to other foreign leaders were obvious shakedowns, but were never reported?

Garland's DOJ needs to comb through every recorded second of Trump's interactions on the phone.

Beetwasher.

(2,984 posts)
27. You Can't Make This Shit Up
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 08:09 PM
Aug 2021

Identical twin brothers at NSC, offices across from each-other and this drama, it's unbelievable, what a movie. Buying his book for sure. A couple of true mensch's these Vindman brothers.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
28. He, his brother and father were interviewed on CBS Sunday Morning yesterday.
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 08:34 PM
Aug 2021

I watched it and was infuriated once again by the shit Trump was able to do and get away with and the people who covered for him.

Trump needs to pay for all of this or our country will never be the same to me.

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