AOC blames Democrats so of course GOP uses it to ATTACK Democrats for the world to see

[Eliot Rosewater]

god DAMMIT... this is the kind of SHIT that will lead to us losing the House...WHY DOES SHE DO THIS???


How can ANYONE who says they are a DEMOCRAT not be FURIOUS with this shit?

Link to tweet

If you are looking at this you are NOT MAD AT ME for posting it here, you are mad at HER for letting the GOP do this to us! If you are a Democrat, that is.


I honest to god dont know if she just doesnt understand how the game is played or
doesnt care.

At the end of the day I also care more about homeless people than the "feelings" of us Democrats, BUT when your opponent are NAZI FASCIST TERRORISTS you NEVER do this for them, FOR THEM!

[Budi]

5. Or they know exactly what their words imply & the intent is clear.

HOUSE REPUBLICANS APPARANTLY AGREE.

Cool! Thanks for helping out there!

[Budi]

10. Not the 1st time.

🤔

[George II]

21. Manchin and Sinema don't belong in this discussion. That's not what she was referring to.

[George II]

24. No maybe, she specifically spoke of House Democrats. No mention of the Senate whatsoever.

[Demsrule86]

60. Baloney, the House majority is endangered. AOC should be aware of this and perhaps not blame

Democrats for everything. This is why I never vote for Justice Democrats in a primary and am about to go to the polls and vote for Shontel Brown. Nina Turner is not a Democrat.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. She does, she is a true believer. For instance I am a HUGE Al Franken fan and I am furious with

him right now also.

He said single payer was a bad idea to run on and that people like their private insurance policies, WHAT THE FUCK!

So I am willing to point it out wherever.

[PatSeg]

77. My first reaction was

"Less is more". You don't have to comment on everything all the time. The more you talk, the more likely you are to say something that will be used against you. Meanwhile, there is plenty of work to do. Maybe spend less time in front of the cameras. I think sometimes all the media attention is very tempting.

You know, I say this from experience. I can think of many times when I talked too much and said things I later regretted. That is when I have to remind myself that "less is more", like in, less talking and more listening and/or doing.

[Budi]

2. GOP House Republicans Twitter is in full agreement

"See, We really are all the SAAAAME!"
Thanks! 👍

Who, at the top of their organization told her to say this?
Walleed? EXLEY?

WE SEE YOU.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. I honest to god dont know if she just doesnt understand how the game is played or

doesnt care.

At the end of the day I also care more about homeless people than the "feelings" of us Democrats, BUT when your opponent are NAZI FASCIST TERRORIST you NEVER do this for them, FOR THEM!

[smirkymonkey]

8. Thank YOU!

Her heart is in the right place, but sometimes she can be downright stupid. And I am not saying that a part of me doesn't agree with her, but you don't go on record stating something like this in public when you know EXACTLY how the other side is going to use it against your party.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. That's the thing, I care more about the people who will lose their homes than our

credibility as a party. Sounds like you do too, most of us do.

But these are NOT normal people on the other side, they are terrorists, and evidently there are way too many stupid Americans who might vote for them.

So you cant EVER help them in ANY WAY at all!

[empedocles]

3. Fox and rw media, is the way AOC became a national figure.

For the Dems, AOC is just a . . .

[LonePirate]

13. Look at it from AOC's perspective

She was elected to Congress with the desire to make lives better for people and enact change. She has seen bill after bill pass with less than 20% of Republicans voting in favor and often with no Repubs voting for it, especially on super important bills. Then she looks over at the Senate and sees Manchin and Sinema wanting bipartisan support (which requires 20% of the Republican Senate) and seeing bills in the Senate fail or not even come up for a vote because of that ridiculous threshold not even coming close to being met. She sees Senators not wanting to help people or to enact change. Instead, she sees nonsense and fantasies being peddled instead of reality.

Now, she sees a handful of Dem House members who refuse to pass another eviction moratorium bill for ridiculous reasons. Why shouldn't she be mad?

I say "Go, AOC!". Keep speaking out.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Who are the Democrats refusing to pass eviction bill?

Still makes NO sense AT ALL when the other party are TERRORISTS, but some folks STILL dont get that.

[Arazi]

32. There are Dems who are opposed to the eviction moratorium

The vote was structured this way to ensure they were spared public exposure

Link to tweet

?s=19

[treestar]

106. If they think their voters want it

then why would they not vote for it?

[George II]

23. Who are those handful of Dem House members? That isn't true. There hasn't been a vote on any bill...

....yet, and in the House there isn't a filibuster or a rule allowing any member to object and block a vote.

When was the vote that the "handful of Dem House members" refused to pass?

[Arazi]

33. They exist. Judd Legum is hunting their names. I'm sure AOC knows who they are

Link to tweet

?s=19

[George II]

37. That's all speculation. Until there's a vote we don't know. The bottom line is the Supreme Court....

....decided on June 29 that neither the Biden Administration nor the CDC can extend the moratorium, it would take action from Congress.

No one made a big deal about this until July 29, thirty days later, and the "sit-in" took place around midnight July 31.

In the 32 days between the SC decision and the expiration of the moratorium, did anyone do anything? I certainly didn't see it.

[Arazi]

46. From Mother Jones

Looks like Ro Khanna and Sara Jacob's also know of Dems who were prepared to block this 🙄

Link to tweet

?s=19

[Demsrule86]

61. We have a very small majority...and a Senate that won't pass much...Thus we get what we can.

100% of nothing is still nothing. She can look around her, and if she has political acumen realize what is possible and what is not.

[betsuni]

63. +1

[iemanja]

74. How is that the fault of the Democratic Party?

Do explain.

There is nothing new or unexpected about what AOC is witnessing. Legislators don't all agree, even within the same party. It has always been that way. Lashing out at the Democratic Party makes no sense.

[LonePirate]

79. So you prefer for her to sit down, shut up and not complain about something that's undeniably wrong?

[iemanja]

80. I prefer she did her job

and try to convince other congress people to support her position--or more appropriately, work toward a reasonable compromise--rather than going to the press to complain about the party as a whole. Some like her precisely because she is repeatedly in the media. I do not find that productive, and I have yet to see any evidence that it helps her achieve any legislative goals.

[LonePirate]

81. Maybe she tried that and going to the press was her only remaining option?

How about giving her the benefit of a doubt since she is clearly working on behalf of the public and instead direct your ire towards her party members who refuse to extend the eviction moratorium?

[iemanja]

85. This post isn't about the eviction moratorium

It's about AOC's statements to the press and how the GOP has used them.
I've made my views of Machin and co. quite clear. I don't have ire for AOC, but I don't Stan her either. I agree with some things she does and disagree with others. Her use of the press in this situation is among the things I disagree with.

I don't recall a time that she hasn't going to the press, even from the very beginning.

[LonePirate]

90. Look at the tweet and screenshot in the OP. She was complaining about the eviction moratorium!

That is the context of her complaints about her fellow House members. If her peers in the House would have supported renewing the eviction ban, she would not have taken her case to the press. The only reason the ban extension was not brought up for a vote in the House is because enough Dems opposed it where it would not pass. AOC is right on the money with this one. Besides, the House had already gone into recess and the ban had expired when she went to the press. I suppose those are just inconvenient facts.

[iemanja]

91. I already addressed this

Every Dem legislator isn't going to agree with her. Everyone isn't from a deep blue district. According to you, the fact they do disagree justifies trashing the party. In other words, ensuring no one ever criticize AOC matters to you more than the outcome of the next election. I do not share your priorities.

[LonePirate]

94. You don't think people losing their homes is a sufficient reason for her to be mad?

I could have sworn this was Democratic Underground, not Conservatives Underground.

[iemanja]

120. Sure, it's a reason to be mad

It's not a reason to blame the Democratic party.

[brooklynite]

102. Going to the press is her only remaining option?

Apparently Speaker Pelosi is going to be convinced by a Fox News critique?

[treestar]

110. Haven't the Republicans done anything wrong?

Anything she can stand up and talk about?

[marie999]

84. Because the Democrats could have passed the bill instead of going on vacation.

They might have to fight for it in the Senate but the Democrats in the House blew it.

[treestar]

105. But "Democrats" is not

Manchin and Sinema. And not a word against the Republicans.

[BradAllison]

14. Meanwhile the Republican leader endorses violence against women

Do you, at your core, see how stupid this all is?

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. I see how stupid it is to do anything that gives the terrorists a chance to convince less people

to vote for our party.

[BradAllison]

20. Any "voter" considering traitors over a party having relevant discussions over policy....

.....should fucking surrender their right to vote, immediately.

[George II]

38. That's a totally different issue, we're discussing the eviction moratorium here.

[BradAllison]

40. We're talking about "reasons" why people are gonna vote for which party

I suspect any fucking idiot choosing the Republican party over something like this doesn't need "reasons".

[Demsrule86]

62. How about those on our side who listen to such words and decide ...'why bother' to

vote at all?

[BradAllison]

97. How about we have nuanced discussions about right and wrong.

I happen to think the Biden Administration bungled this and can be criticized for it, but it will certainly not stop me from voting for Democrats.

[Tribetime]

16. She has been doing this since day 1...

I don't understand it

[JohnSJ]

19. Typical. How does this help again? Her logic is that unless they agree with her position, it

doesn’t count

This isn’t the first time she does this, where instead of working behind the scenes with her fellow Democrats, she prefers to publicly criticize those who disagree with her through public airwaves, and social media.

That is never a winning strategy

I would like to see her run for a statewide or national office to see if see gets the traction she believes she has outside her district

[Marcuse]

26. She's not wrong, and the silly attack subverts their own message that she is the face of our Party.

This does not hurt us with Independents and Lincoln Republicans.

[Budi]

28. Its Biden, its Pelosi, Its THE DEMOCRATS FAULT.

I have yet to hear her land as many Media blows to the GOP as to the Dems her organization loves to hate on.

THAT IS A DAMNED FACT.

She knows damned well what she's saying. And she's perfectly ok with it.
Time after time after time.

Nice of the House Republicans to repeat her words. Gee thanks!!

[treestar]

108. SHE is the one who needs to

convince other House members! The president may well agree with her for all we know. Maybe she should show Pelosi how to do it!

[Budi]

112. Maybe stage a Sunrise protest outside Pelosi's office, cameras ready to roll.

She's no amateur to rallying & organizing & approaching higher ups.
Sure she can do it.

[George II]

30. President Biden is the face of our Party. Majority Leader Schumer and Speaker Pelosi are....

...faces of our Party.

That's it.

How do you come to the conclusion that "she is the face of our Party"? Based upon what?

[Budi]

39. Which Party, is a better question.

After this applause from the House GOP to her statement blaming Democrats (AGAIN), its becoming clear who she is not.

[Nixie]

69. The GOP applauded her?? Thanks, I haven't been able to watch as much cable

for awhile and missed it. That right there should give her a clue as to why the GOP keeps elevating her. It's been obvious to most of us, but she needs to see who she attracts and why. It's about time. How embarrassing for her.

[George II]

48. ....

[LetMyPeopleVote]

53. Joe Biden and VP Harris are the face of the party with Schumer and Pelosi

[betsuni]

58. Well, Meghan McCain has been saying AOC is the face of the party for a long time.

[Cha]

41. NO, she IS NOT.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

54. I agree

[Marcuse]

64. The GQP election strategy has been to paint AOC as the face of our party. This will backfire.

Again, this Republican attack undermines their own strategy and does not hurt us.

[Cha]

109. The6y LIE as Usual.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

138. Nina Turner's loss in Ohio means Biden doesn't need to keep caving to the left

This race has some interesting implications. AOC and the squad demanded that OH11 voters send Nina Turner to bolster their power to block President Biden's plans. It is clear now that Joe Biden is the face of the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Shontel's victory over Nina and the Squad is important in that it gives Joe Biden more flexibility

Link to tweet

That’s what makes Shontel Brown’s upset victory on Tuesday in an Ohio special election so refreshing. She beat Nina Turner, the epitome of smashmouth-style liberalism, in a Democratic primary to fill the House seat vacated by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Marcia L. Fudge.

Brown prevailed by embracing President Biden — and celebrating his brand of incrementalism. “This is about making progress, and sometimes that takes compromise,” she said during her victory speech in a Cleveland suburb. “Because when you demand all or nothing, usually you end up with nothing.”....

Biden has to be attentive to the left, given Democrats’ slim House majority. But Tuesday’s results suggest he doesn’t need to contort himself to placate the party’s progressive wing — as he’s doing with the extension of the eviction moratorium — as much as they demand or he has often deemed necessary.....

Fear was another motivation for CBC leaders. They privately worried a Turner victory would embolden additional radicals to launch primary challenges against incumbent Black lawmakers in 2022. What happened to Lacy Clay in Missouri remains top of mind. The 10-term congressman, whose father co-founded the CBC, was defeated in a primary last summer by activist Cori Bush, who had the support of Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of America.

And that may be the real significance of the Ohio results. They show the leader of the Democratic Party is not Sanders or AOC. It’s Biden. And he should start acting like it. At least he can count on Shontel Brown’s vote.

[Me.]

27. Maybe Intead of Opining So Much

maybe her time would be better spent setting up a proper office in her district instead of a desk in someone else's office. And a person to actually answer the phone would probably be appreciated.

[Budi]

29. K & R isn't her House rating for accomplishments like #204?

She's at the bottom for actually proposing legislation, working with other Dems or voting with Biden.

Why is she there?

[Me.]

34. Let's Just Say It's Not A Love Fest

[George II]

35. I believe of 223 Democrats this session she's somewhere around 217 or 218. Not sure exactly.

That isn't my rating, but one can get the exact rating here:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

[George II]

70. Big one:

[Budi]

73. K & R Thank You! It is a BFD, huh! Happy Day 💙 C'mon Shontel, Bring it on home!

Link to tweet

[Cha]

92. Wow.. imagine that.. TY for this info!

[Budi]

96. Hey, 538 don't lie! Thanks 'FiveThirtyEight'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15692790

[Cha]

111. Thanks for the link!

[tavernier]

99. To tell everyone how much she knows.

I have a relative like that. We all joke around how fortunate we are when she comes to visit because she knows everything so the rest of us don’t have to worry about gathering information.

[Budi]

101. Oye. I knew a narcissistic guy in college who just walked in the room & started talking till he...

...till he was the only one left in the room.

That's certainly a curious personality type to observe. We pretty much avoided him. Polite but with an eyeroll & an exit.., ya know?

[George II]

118. See Post #35.

[George II]

31. I know someone in the Bronx part of the District, yes for the doubters - Glebe Avenue off Zerega....

...who has never been able to get through to the "Bronx" office.

[Me.]

36. You Can't Get Through

I believe there is a message that says to send an email. No payroll responsibilities there.

[George II]

43. "No payroll responsibilities there", despite the huge allowance for each member of Congress.....

I remember back in 2019 when people, even from the Bronx, were directed to the Corona (Queens) office once it was open for issues.

NY-14 is one of the poorest districts in NYC, if not the state. Anyone know what it costs to go from the Bronx to Queens?

If you're lucky enough to have a car the bridge toll is $20+ round trip. If you have to take public transportation the round trip fare is $5.50 and about a 90 minute trip each way (3 hours round trip).

Great way to treat one's POOR constituents.

Joe Crowley had fully functional offices in both boroughs - Queens and the Bronx.

[tonedevil]

56. Joe Crowley got beat like a drum...

by a political novice with an 18 to 1 funding differential. Those fully functional offices didn't seem to talk to the constituency did they?

[Nixie]

68. haha, someone is telling you that Crowley is responsible for AOC not having a functional office.

I remember AOC's deep concern while she was campaigning about his accessibility in the district....

[Budi]

71. K & R Thank You! And I heard it was all Biden's fault!

Wow.

🙄

[msongs]

42. maybe she should go back to campaigning for her friend nina nt

[mcar]

44. She spends far more time slamming Democrats

than Rs.

One has to wonder why.

[question everything]

45. That's the way to generate headlines

[Cha]

49. She's not helping the 2022 midterms..

that's for damn sure.

[mcar]

66. No, she's not

[BradAllison]

50. Weird

Whenever she criticizes Marjorie Taylor Greene, "good DU'ers" scream she should ignore her and is also seeking attention then.

[mcar]

67. Really? I've never seen that here on DU or anywhere else

Can you provide a link?

[BradAllison]

103. Tell you what

I'm going to bookmark it the next time I see it. Because searching thru thousands of posts about AOC in the last three months (since her war with MTG started) and the zillion times a day her fans and haters report on her every movement is too time consuming for me. Of course, I'll have to PM you because calling out posters, especially regarding this subject, will earn a hide as I'm sure you know.

[Arazi]

47. Oh gosh, another attack on AOC. Quelle surprise

There are Dems who blocked this. She's saying what others also know but yeah, let's manufacture outrage at the progressive side of the Democratic party

Link to tweet

?s=19

[Sympthsical]

51. So moderate Democrats shoot down the extension, and AOC on TV is the big problem here?

This is hilarious.

Millions are in danger of losing their homes. Moderate Democrats opposed the extension.

But AOC gave an interview. That's the real problem here!

This has truly devolved into parody. Influx of homelessness incoming. Moderate Democrats being super problematic about it.

But nah. The progressive gave an interview. Let's go Dylan Thomas about that.

Damn. I thought AOC had at least til Wednesday on this stuff.

[Arazi]

52. +1 Brazilian dammit

[Sympthsical]

55. I mean, WTF are these priorities?

Millions in danger of losing their homes, moderate Democrats were no help at all, but a progressive politician some people dislike said something somewhere, and let's spend all our focus and energy on that, damnit.

I feel like I'm openly being trolled at this point. There is no way people do not know how disconnected that looks. "Millions of homeless people? Meh. Shit's going down on cable news and Twitter. Lemme worry about that."

I mean . . . there has to be some self-awareness in here somewhere, right? Just how isolated people are from empathy and reality due to total immersion in social media, because they're comfortable and can afford to be so? Just a teensy bit?

I think people should go spend a week in a shelter, then come back with a straight face and let everyone know how what goes on with cable news and Twitter is the real story here.

[jalan48]

57. I'm seeing less self awareness every day. It's either booing or cheerleading.

[Mysterian]

83. Yep. Another two-minute hate at DU

against a Democrat fighting for working people.

[Budi]

100. Rofl.. Maybe they could go back to their districts & speak to their State Reps,

..their constituents & those who hold the funds yet to be dispersed in their State.

Why are they camping out on the Capitol steps, using the protection of the Capitol Police they just voted to defund, when this is also a big State matter?

Ya think they could address the backlog of release of funds back in the State that sent them there to represent them?

Hmmm.
🙄
Where were their voices this past month when they all knew the moratorium was about to expire? Why'd they wait till now?
Where was their call for urgency or weren't they aware. And why weren't they?

It's not like the looming deadline was a big secret.
There's really no one to blame but themselves
They should maybe in touch with their State doing all they can to see that those billions in funds find a smooth transition into the pockets of those that need it most.

But it's just much easier to sit on it & Blame Biden et al when the shit hits the fan.
Go home & help your State fix it. K?

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

107. +1

[Celerity]

119. +1

[Bettie]

98. But the best part will be when

the people become homeless and somehow, it will be 100% AOC's fault.

I've been on this ride before. We all have.

[treestar]

113. If they think their voters don't want something

They are going to vote against it. Just like AOC would vote against something that makes progress, but is imperfect.

[BradAllison]

115. You aren't wrong. n/m

[Arazi]

65. Ro Khanna was on MSNBC on Friday night saying the same thing but you pick AOC to bash

Really sick of the selective outrage aimed at progressive Dems. And Dems weaponizing the GOP's relentless assault on AOC specifically. Why are you amplifying GOP talking points?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congress-scrambles-extend-eviction-moratorium-saturday-expiration-n1275485

Friday evening, Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., expressed other frustrations.

“The reason they’re not bringing it for a vote is because some Democrats privately have tried to kill this bill because of special interest of Realtors and other groups,” he said on MSNBC. “And it is unconscionable that we don't have a vote on the House floor, that we're protecting some members to kill this behind closed doors and aren't being transparent. It's just wrong.”

[KG]

75. !

c'mon, they're soooo not bashing AOC

[KG]

72. I lulz'd

again.

[Bettie]

76. Ever notice that any thread that even mentions AOC

is inundated by a couple of people constantly bashing and tearing her down?

Are they bonding over their shared hatred of this young woman (and the others they hate almost as much) or just doing their job of dividing the party, with the intention of driving progressives away?

Who would that serve? It isn't the Democratic party.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. Some do that, I dont. I also cant understand how people cant figure out

that this is giving aid and comfort to an enemy of the USA, the GOP.

It is that simple.

I said, somewhere on here, that I am on her side wanting this resolved to help people, but ATTACKING our party will ONLY help the terrorists.

[Arazi]

86. Why didn't you start a thread on Ro Khanna then, who did this first on MSNBC on Friday?

Or Cori Bush who did this on Thursday July 30th during her "attention seeking" publicity stunt? Always trying to grab the spotlight that gal so best to slap her down with a thread about how INFURIATED we should be?

Oh wait...

[Bettie]

93. So, every member of congress, every rank and file Democrat

must repeat over and over "the party is perfect, the party is all, we are one...." and never, ever ask for anything beyond what the donors are willing to allow?

Is that the direction you'd like us to go?

[jalan48]

82. I'd go with driving Progressives out of the Party. It would mean more power for certain

identity groups.

[Arazi]

87. +1 million. They aren't even bothering to hide it anymore

[Sympthsical]

88. If I were ever going to troll a board

I would paint myself as the Avatar of whatever the board is about. In this case, being a Democrat. I would post nonstop about how awesome party leaders are. It'd be like 50% of my posts. I'd make Tiger Beat look demure and understated.

Then I'd pick a small, but sizeable out group and troll the hell out of them.

Sit back. Watch people divided and fighting. If the structure allows it, get people banned for flimsy pretexts.

It's trolling 101. It happens everywhere.

[Celerity]

116. +10000

[treestar]

114. She is the divisive one

You have to be a huge fan to miss that. People cutting her down? After she cut them down? How unfair!

[Marrah_Goodman]

125. It's almost like they think she doesn't "know her place"

[Happy Hoosier]

89. I really want to like her...

... but her political instincts are just terrible. And YES, it matters.

[Eliot Rosewater]

117. I do like her, finally someone in our government ALMOST as far to the left as I am.

But the laundry ilst of things I would want like nationalizing cellular towers and service, nationalizing internet access and oil/gas/wind etc., would NEVER happen in these times so I would know not to go for them now. Oh, and of course single payer. Although that one might be doable.

[Happy Hoosier]

123. I don't object to her being left....

I object to her terrible political skills and instincts. I don‘t actually disagree with her on many issues, but politically? She‘s just pissing in the wind.

[fescuerescue]

95. She has a point thought

It's not as if she didn't say it, that no one would notice.

The election is a long ways off. It's important to get things done, in additional to winning elections.

[treestar]

104. This means she does not know

how the Senate operates.

[Arazi]

121. You guys are fabulous! Leader Schumer congratulates AOC and Cori Bush

Does Leader Schumer know how the Senate operates? Looks like he thinks the progressives approach to this worked "fabulously"

Link to tweet

?s=19

[treestar]

122. Why does AOC think we control the Senate?

The way it operates, a party needs 60 for control.

And there are conservative Democrats. That's a fact of life too.

[Marrah_Goodman]

124. I want members of our party to speak openly and honestly

I am not going to get outraged because someone didn't toe the party line.

[Eliot Rosewater]

126. That is not what happened.

Let me ask you, how many political parties can you vote for in the next election for a candidate that can win?

[Marrah_Goodman]

127. Two, and I get that. I understand what people are saying

What I am saying is that I want politicians to be honest about what they think and not just say things approved by the party leaders.

[Eliot Rosewater]

128. Here is my deal: I am for nationalizing (eliminating for profit companies in these areas)

access to cellular service, access to the internet, healthcare and water and power.

Oil and utilities would be owned by the government because of the necessity, die without sort of. Try to survive in this environment without cellular or internet.

But, I am FURTHER TO THE LEFT than AOC or Bernie, probably, but I am realizing and understand that in a true 2 party system, which is what we are at the moment, there are ONLY two choices or options.

And now one of those is fascist killers who are traitors, the entire GOP is now that by DEFINITION!

So as long as we are in such a DRASTIC situation, it is unacceptable to say or do anything that gives power to the fascist killers aka GOP.

In normal times I would say differently. I am angry that the eviction thing got this far but I CANT give power to the GOP in my attempt to fix it.

Agreed?

[bigtree]

129. GOP attacks AOC and you attack her, as well

...all she said was that we have the majority, implying that our party will bear some of the blame for the death of democracy if we don't use this majority to stop republicans around the nation from turning America into an autocracy.

True statement.

Zero scorn for the Democrats standing in the way of confronting them. (here's where I get told how necessary they are to the party)

[Eliot Rosewater]

130. Wrong, GOP used her and AGREED with her

Giving aid and comfort to fascist killers aka GOP is not a good thing to do right now, sadly you dont seem to agree?

She is smart enough to KNOW that is what would happen, right?

Yes, I am VERY MUCH for extending the eviction moratorium, I just dont want to give the GOP ammunition to destroy the human race in the process.

[bigtree]

131. you used a republican party tweet to attack AOC

...that simple.

[Eliot Rosewater]

132. I pointed out the tweet, THEY USED it to ATTACK Us...and you attack me for pointing

out this HARM

Yes or NO, they are going to use her OR THIS statement to HARM US?

THERE is NO tweet to make a thread about if she doesnt DO THIS

They are FASCIST KILLERS...she is not, we are not, Dems are not. We dont HELP THEM, we go behind the scenes and call on the leader and others to do something. Then if someone openly goes against that, well maybe they need to be dealt with.

NOT NORMAL times, right?

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133. she stated a fact

...you really think republicans need her to point out that we have the majority in the Senate and the House?

She just stating what many of us are thinking right now as we watch our Democratic agenda falter. That deserves our attention, not scorn.

That tweet doesn't represent what she said, no matter how much you dislike hearing that Democrats have a majority that we can use to confront republicans now on voting rights, and that we bear responsibility for what happens to our votes in the future.

[Eliot Rosewater]

134. That isnt the point she was making, she was BLAMING us and they used that AGAINST US

because they are FASCIST KILLERS and we are not.

She is a very smart person. These are not normal times, we dont give those fucking fascists ANY ammo to use against us.

NOT NOW

I am a supporter of hers, by the way.

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135. not at all

...but I understand that your pov is influenced in part by this republican tweet you posted which is basically demagoguery twisting what she said into an attack on our party.

Pointing out that our majority has a responsibility to use it to protect our vote isn't an attack on the party, it's an encouragement to do better.

That's basically what we're left with. Knuckle under to Manchin's refusal to confront republicans with our majority, or speak out in the hope that enough pressure will be applied to move him off of his newly invented insistence that republicans need to vote for the legislation.

Why would anyone concerned that our democracy will be evicerated relent in pointing out that we hold the majority today which could act to protect those votes?Of couese , in this case, AOC was complaining about the confounding game of hot potato played between Congress and the WH, both claiming nothing could be done.. until they found a way to do something.

They eventually found a way because of pressure from Cori Bush, AOC, and others who refused to accept that our majority couldn't act, who refused to accept the initial pleas of impotence and pressed on (pressing Pelosi and Schumer to press the WH) until the administration relented.

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136. I would love it if this episode resulted in not just what the party did do, holding off evictions

(lets make sure and point out which party did that, ok) and opens the eyes of undecideds which party takes action when necessary on their behalf.

And, if her comments is how we got here, then maybe I am wrong to get mad at her, maybe she is playing

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137. did you object when the president made the same point, singling out 2 Democrats

...for blocking parts of his agenda?

Biden Calls Out 2 Democratic Lawmakers For Blocking Agenda
The president lamented that Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona “voted more with my Republican friends” than their own party. (AP)

Biden, speaking during an event marking the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa race massacre, responded to critics who question why he hasn’t been able to get a wide-reaching voting rights bill passed.

“Well, because Biden only has a majority of effectively four votes in the House, and a tie in the Senate — with two members of the Senate who voted more with my Republican friends,” he lamented.

It appeared to be a veiled reference to Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, both of whom have frustrated Democrats with their defense of the filibuster — the rule requiring most legislation to win 60 votes to pass, making many of Democrats’ biggest priorities like voting rights and gun control bills dead on arrival in the 50-50 Senate. While Sinema is a sponsor of the voting rights bill that passed the House, known as the For the People Act, Manchin has refused to sign on, calling the measure “too broad.”

Despite the logjam in Congress, Biden promised further action to address what he described as “a tireless assault on the right to vote,” comments that came in response to the latest effort by a state legislature to pass a law restricting voting access, this time in Texas.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-joe-manchin-kyrsten-sinema_n_60b6b4b4e4b001ebd46b3258

...at some point, we need to stand up to the Democratic legislators blocking the president's agenda. Now would be optimal.