In the 34 years of my professional career, I never...

[brooklynite]

sexually harassed someone I worked with, supervised or worked for.

hung out with the guys in the office and bandied about stories of my sexual activities.

had sexually inappropriate material on my desk, my computer or anywhere else.

IT'S - NOT - THAT - HARD.

I don't CARE that "Republicans get away with it". I'm not a Republican. I don't vote for Republicans.

I don't CARE that "He/she does such a good job". It's not an excuse for inexcusable behavior.

Governor Cuomo should resign and give Lt. Governor Hochul a chance to stabilize matters.

[dsc]

1. I agree but both immigrants and LGBT will get a significant, very significant step down

when that happens. The one and only time in her life when she had her own political power she was bad on issues important to both groups. But he clearly can't be governor anymore.

[brooklynite]

4. I seriously doubt that an interim Governor is going to radically change existing policy initiatives.

[dsc]

6. she would appoint judges, would she not?

She also would get a leg up on the primary. Again, he has to go, and the fact she is where she is, is also his fault, so he is to blame for that too.

[femmedem]

36. Yes, one of the tragedies is that he was willing to jeopardize the good he's able to do as governor

He knew he was creating a hostile work environment--otherwise he wouldn't have been retaliatory when women complained--but he continued, even knowing that if he was caught, his political career would be over. In that regard, the LGBTQ community is liable to be another victim.

[Celerity]

40. How is she against LGBTQ? I saw a lot of pro LGBTQ things from her, BUT I am so not an expert in

regards to her history.

TIA

[dsc]

44. as a Congresswoman she opposed marriage equality even after Obama and Biden supported it

[Celerity]

47. she has since reversed that now

[femmedem]

58. Thank you for the info!

[Walleye]

2. I agree. And so many innocent men who prefer to believe it never happens can be part of the problem

[redstatebluegirl]

3. Almost all of the men I have worked with are like you.

However, I had a boss once who was a snake.
He wanted me to ride along with him to see one of my clients. I had to get out of the car and leave him on a country road to get away from him. The farmer at the house I went to grabbed his shotgun and follwed me back to the car. Needless to say my boss got out and started running. The farmer laughed, made sure my car started, and told me to find another job. I did.

Then there was the Associate Dean who had pornography on his computer when I walked into his office for a meeting. I reported him to the Dean who said, really he did, "boys will be boys".

Thankfully most of the many men I have worked for have been complete gentlemen. One was my mentor for over 20 years, he just passed away a few months ago from COVID.

Thankful for men like you and Eldon.

[Hekate]

64. I have chuckled all day over your story about your "snake" boss running away like that...

I have seldom heard such a satisfactory ending.

[redstatebluegirl]

70. My Dad, also a farmer, went out and thanked the guy who walked me back to the car.

The farmer and my Dad had a good laugh about what a chicken s... he was!

[Treefrog]

5. Yes, and sadly, in my 30 plus years of professional life I frequently experienced it.

I’d lay money almost every woman here did too.

Glad you never did this, but how horrid that that is some kind of bragging point.

[BComplex]

62. Amen, Treefrog! Women experience it 99 times out of 100 jobs, I'd wager.

I heard someone say once that a man shouldn't ever say or do something to a woman that he wouldn't want his jail cell mate to say or do to him.

If it would make him uncomfortable for his cell mate to say it or do it, then he needs to not say it or do it, or "joke" about it, to any woman.

[hlthe2b]

7. He's had due process. No one is railroading him. This is how it is supposed to work

(unlike the Al Franken debacle, one for which I will always hold a major grudge towards several in particular).

[Ocelot II]

19. Don't get me started on Al Franken, my senator,

and probably one of the best this state has ever had. That was a RW hit job that motivated far too many Democrats to get on a bandwagon they should have stayed off of.

[roamer65]

8. Wide open Democratic primary now.

Who’s gonna run?

[Celerity]

14. pretty extensive list of possible candidates

[Harker]

33. Let's start with Gov. Hochul and see where it goes.

Now would be good.

[pwb]

9. Bullshit.

All this is is revenge by pukes. I say stay until proven guilty.

[brooklynite]

10. So you're saying anonymous bloggers are more perceptive than the NY Attorney General?

[pwb]

13. I am saying this is bashing democrats and you

post this shit all the time. I guess it is to keep us informed but I don't care what a tweet says.

[brooklynite]

15. Then feel free to read the LBN story based on the facts of the report that I didn't post.

[pwb]

16. What did he do tell a woman her hair smells good?

That she looks nice? He is a single guy for fucks sake.

[femmedem]

25. It went way beyond that.

"In a 165-page report, investigators laid out a devastating portrait of behavior by the Democratic governor, substantiating an allegation that Cuomo embraced an executive assistant and reached under her blouse to grab her breast. Witnesses also described an environment in the governor’s office that was abusive and vindictive, in which one of the women who came forward was targeted for retaliation through the release of her personnel file, investigators said.

In all, the independent probe found that Cuomo harassed 11 women, including a state trooper whom the governor arranged to be put on his detail."

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cuomo-sexual-harassment-report/2021/08/03/705c42a4-f226-11eb-ab6f-b41a066381df_story.html

And here's the report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-report-on-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-by-andrew-cuomo/1752f40a-6cf1-41a4-830f-44f6eefb2843/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4

I hope you don't think that "he is a single guy for fucks sake" justifies this.

[ShazzieB]

37. Psst!

You might want to consider vecoming fully informed about the basis of a story like this before declaring it to be b.s. Just a suggestion!

Do what judges do. Look at all the evidence before making a ruling. 🤗

[AngryOldDem]

38. Wow.

He’s also talking to a subordinate. And hugging, kissing, and touching random people — male or female — is not appropriate.

This is not “Mad Men,” for Chrissake, and Cuomo is not Don Draper.

[Ocelot II]

54. Most women whose boss told them they looked nice and their hair smelled good

would be pretty creeped out by those comments. By themselves they don't rise to the level of actionable sexual harassment but they're inappropriate and unprofessional in the workplace - and would give a woman a pretty good idea what her boss really thinks of her. If my boss is commenting about how I look and smell, he's not taking me seriously as a competent employee, and if that kind of shit isn't shut down immediately he's going to keep doing it, and maybe progress from there. Been there, seen that, experienced it.

[wryter2000]

56. He groped women

Y’all wanted an investigation. You got it. Time to support women, not pigs like Cuomo.

[Treefrog]

20. I think you may have an answer right here to your question in another thread.

[MichMan]

11. AG James is a Republican?

Who knew?

[Treefrog]

12. So if she indicts the former guy, you'd hold that position, right?

Sure thing.

[Hoyt]

18. Disagree. Cuomo should have resigned months ago. He acted like this was just a misunderstanding

with one or two women.

BS, Cuomo is bad for men and Democrats (and obviously women).

[Lancero]

66. Yeah, uh... That's a long since debunked "Cuo-Anon" conspiracy theory.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-cuomo-allegations-trump-pardon-plot-20210309-t6afk6moqbc2hpem5vn6pn2eby-story.html

A nonsensical conspiracy theory gaining traction on social media claims Gov. Cuomo’s sexual misconduct accusers are part of a right-wing plot to pardon former President Donald Trump of state crimes in New York.

The theory — for which there is absolutely no evidence — posits the innuendo that the six women who have publicly accused Cuomo of sexual harassment are trying to get him to resign in disgrace so that a Trump-friendly Republican governor can get elected in the 2022 election.

...

Queens Assemblyman Ron Kim, one of several Democrats in the state Legislature who have called on Cuomo to resign over the sexual harassment claims, coined a new term for the evidence-free theory in a reply to a Twitter user who asked if he found it “odd” that the accusations are emerging as Vance and James are investigating Trump.

“No,” Kim wrote. “I don’t dabble in Cuo-Anon conspiracies.

[onetexan]

71. Second that! DEMS at times are just too eager to hang our own.

Shit needs to stop.

[Ocelot II]

17. Almost all the men I've ever worked with behaved themselves, but a few did not.

There probably isn't a woman alive who hasn't experienced sexual harassment of some kind at work or at school. Most men don't do it, but enough do that women are always at risk of being harassed, or worse. The "Me Too" movement doesn't seem to have changed a damn thing.

[Treefrog]

21. This.

See my post above.

[Withywindle]

67. I don't think I've ever met a woman who didn't experience this

I certainly have, on multiple occasions and in multiple jobs.

Of course most men don't do it - the real problem is that not enough men take it seriously and stand up for us. Sexist men, by definition, don't respect what women say. If women could fix this by ourselves we would have done it long ago. What we really need is for MEN to say to other men, "that's not cool, stop it." Even when there are no women around to impress. ESPECIALLY then, because when men in all-male groups start making these jokes and comments assuming other men there will be okay with it, that is when it's most important for men who care about women to speak up and shut it down.

[ProfessorGAC]

22. It's-Not-That-Hard!

Totally agree.
I had at least one female subordinate for the last 39 years of my career. Never even had to check myself. It's not that hard.
Geez, when I had to travel with a woman subordinate, peer, or one that was subordinate to me but reported to another scientist, I would stay at a different hotel just to avoid any appearance of impropriety.
I don't understand men who can't keep a lid on their libido in professional situations.

[Ocelot II]

23. It's not so much a matter of uncontrolled horniness as an expression of power.

In professional situations involving sexual harassment the man is almost always the boss and the woman a subordinate. Women are rarely harassed in any significant way by a co-worker of equal or lower status; if an equal or lesser co-worker does or says something inappropriate it's usually pretty minor and easily shut down. When the boss does it he's telling the woman not only that he wants her but that he can have her and she can't do anything about it.

[ProfessorGAC]

45. I Didn't Say Otherwise

That's why I specified both subordinates & peers.
People knew who was in charge, and I felt no need to intimidate anybody.
I actually believe it to be counterproductive to business to make subordinate personnel to feel less power & autonomy.
Besides respect is earned. If I wanted respect, I had to give respect.

[Ocelot II]

50. You are exactly right.

It all comes down to respect.

[OldBaldy1701E]

68. Yes, respect

Besides respect is earned. If I wanted respect, I had to give respect.

I was raised to believe this. Then, I became an adult and discovered that there are just to many people out there who feel they should be respected when they have done absolutely nothing to earn it, if not actively doing the opposite of earning it. And, the kicker? Most people go along with this. How many 'captains of industry' get respect solely because they are captains of industry? How many rich people get it just because they have money? How many police? How many politicians? Respect is earned, but there are so many instances where we are supposed to just blindly offer that respect without any proof that the person deserves it.

[JudyM]

65. This. It's not easy to tell your boss to take a hike and don't they know it...

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. I wirked in banking. Republican strong hold.

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All kinds of shit went down. We had no recourse at that time. A lot of women bought into it, too. Don't blame it all on the men.

We just had to learn to handle it.

[UnderThisLaw]

26. You don't care

that Republicans get away with it?

I didn’t know this was an either or situation. One can be outraged at both the evidence of Cuomo’s behavior and the evidence of a double standard.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. One wrong doesn’t make a right either

[brooklynite]

27. No, I don't care that Republicans get away with it as an excuse for Democrats getting away with it.

[pwb]

29. I do care.

So there's that.

[whathehell]

39. Then lecture Republicans -- Democrats "getting away" with it

doesn't lesson the odds of Republicans "getting away" with it, in fact it likely increases their chances.

[UnderThisLaw]

30. A little bit different from what you first posted

and I think it’s possible to be outraged at both sexual predation and double standards regarding it

[BannonsLiver]

28. Huh.

[Chainfire]

31. It is as if the more money and power a man gets, the more freedom he has to exercise his fantasies

at the expense of others. In my working career, and the rest of my life, I always tried to treat women like I would want my mother, wife and daughter to be treated, but then again, I never wielded great power or had a lot of money.

[ananda]

32. Agree

Wrong is wrong ...

[LittleGirl]

34. If I had a nickel for every guy

That harassed me, I’d be rich. Since childhood. Some of us have suffered for decades in silence because if I reported any harassment, I’d get fired. I hope it gets better for younger women out there.

[whathehell]

35. THANK You!

Time to realize that the right of women and girls to be FREE from sexual harassment is NOT negotiable!

[Atticus]

41. Gov. Cuomo: if you care about your state; if you care about your family; if you care about your

party; if you care about yourself---RESIGN!

[Jon King]

42. I owned a fitness center for 25 years, another business for 20 years.....

Hundreds of employees through the years, all ages, genders, physical appearances. Never flirted with them, cornered them, touched their logos, had dirty pictures on my computer, told stories about my sex life.

Its strictly a place of business. They come to work to perform a described job for a set amount of compensation. They do not come there to be bullied or harassed.

[ColinC]

43. K/r

[yobrault1]

46. As someone who has worked on this and the African continent

misogyny comes with the prospect of being a female business woman. I have had to put a few men in their place right from the get go. I showed them, I can literally get up and walk out. I am not there to be their victim, period. I've probably done that up to 50 times in my career.

Here's an example: I go to a business meeting as a marketing professional (my own boutique shop) and the meet goes very well between myself and 4 gentlemen. I ask for and am given the business.

Shortly after I leave their office, my cell phone rings, it's one of the men from the meeting. He asks me how I'm doing and I hesitantly say I am fine. He says, "Oh, yes, yes you are". I respond with "excuse me?". He ignores them then proceeds to ask me if I would like to come to his home and go for a swim in his pool and then relax over a nice dinner and maybe hit the hot tub after desert. He pauses long enough for me to say "Um, no the business your team just gave me is all I went to that meeting for, but thanks for the invite.". I let him go. Then immediately call the CEO of the company (the person that arranged the meeting) and told him about his "boy". He was livid. He assured me that I had the business and apologized profusely for his Executive's behaviour. The Executive did call me back that evening and apologized for being so forward and understood the position he put me in.

That doesn't happen every day and it certainly didn't happen 20 years ago. Now, this all happened and all the people, including myself, were black. But it doesn't matter, I have had these experience with men of all races. Race doesn't really factor here, it's about power and some people will take whatever power they perceive to have over another person and apply pressure to see what they can get away with. It's about power and who you give your power to. My altercations never got physical. No one ever laid their paws on me, that would have been another thing entirely. But growing up the way I did (foster care, before being adopted), I learned to push back against adults at a very young age, pretty much from when I learned right from wrong. Not all women or people in a non-power position have that perspective and will give their power away.

Cuomo has to go. He put his hands on other people. He put his hands on other people. He's done. Words are one thing and bad enough, but actions are on a whole other level. YOU CANNOT PUT YOUR F'N HANDS ON OTHER PEOPLE!!!! WHAT THE F?!

There is no place for him until he is held accountable and does what it takes to change his ways. He has to accept that he was wrong to do what he did, there is no way forward for him until he does that.

Wow. in 2019 and 2020 in the midst of #metoo and he's doing this shit. Just WOW!.

[Ohio Joe]

48. "IT'S - NOT - THAT - HARD" - Correct

I have 25 years in management and never had a problem with it. Not only have I never been accused of such, it never crossed my mind I might be... Because it's not at all hard to simply not do shit like that.

[treestar]

49. For awhile at least, we may have to

To avoid Republicans majorities everywhere.

There aren't enough voters who really care. We have a pretty crappy population nowadays. 40% of which is fine with sexual harassment.

We'll lose if we are so virtuous.

[brooklynite]

52. I don't have kids, so answer this...

When your son or daughter became politically interested, would you tell them that?

Somehow we control the Presidency, the House and the Senate.

Not aware of any of those folks we need to kick out.

[treestar]

53. What does that have to do with the point?

We have a population that voted Donald Trump in and voted for Senators that would not remove him from office. We do not control the Senate. There is no control of the Senate unless a party has 60 Senators.

We certainly do not control State Legislatures and Governorships.

The numbers go against us everywhere. Even when the Rs have Congress, the Democrats got more votes overall. The Red States will always have more power in the Senate even without the filibuster.

Unless you are positive the new governor will be a Democrat, it's not worth booting him out. The Rs could not point a finger.

[brooklynite]

55. Given the likely Democratic candidates, yes I am certain the new governor will be Democrat

[Progressive dog]

51. Cuomo should resign nt

[Bettie]

57. I do think Cuomo should resign at this point

but I'd also say that perhaps not everyone is as perfect as you are, to have never ever said a wrong thing or even something that they regretted later.

Most people aren't paragons of perfection.

[Demobrat]

59. So disappointing.

Last year when he was doing his daily briefings I really thought he was one of the good guys. And I’m pretty cynical.

And it turns out he’s just another sleaze.

Wrong again.

[Marrah_Goodman]

60. He should be held accountable for his actions in my opinion

I am not a hypocrite.

[Skittles]

61. I have always said

to guys who claim they "don't know how to talk to women", ask the overwhelming majority of men who have zero problem working with women without harassing them

[Prichards115]

63. Neither have I

But I dont give a shit,if it means repukes get a chance to govern, Franken shouldn't have resigned. Look how that turned out

[bullwinkle428]

69. 33 years for me, and I can echo every single one of your comments

regarding my own personal behavior on the job over that entire period of time.

I spend time at other sites where there are tons of RW, MRA types, and every last one of these fuckers claims to have some friend of his whose life was "totally destroyed", by a woman making "completely false allegations against him!!1!"

If you believe these creeps, they are living in terror over the idea that a woman from their past is suddenly going to rise up and make some kind of charge against them. Let me tell you - there are absolutely things that stress me out and cause me to lose sleep in the middle of the night, but I've never spent a nanosecond of my life concerned over the idea of a sexual harassment allegation that occurred somewhere in my past.

[Happy Hoosier]

72. Amen.

What Cuomo did was not the same as the things Franken was accused of.