Should Andrew Cuomo resign?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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	Yes
	61 (81%)
	No
	14 (19%)
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[Elessar Zappa]

1. Absolutely.

[a kennedy]

3. [phone]

[50 Shades Of Blue]

2. The report was damning. He needs to go.

[vanlassie]

4. YEP. Bye bye, Buddy.

[berksdem]

5. He needs to resign

that report is pretty ugly.

[CrispyQ]

6. Yes! He needs to go!

Al Franken was ousted for much less.

[Treefrog]

7. Without doubt.

Wonder how CNN is gonna handle this tonight?

I’m not really a big fan of Chris, but damn, this has to be rough.

[MoonRiver]

27. He will probably refuse to comment, like he always does.

[Celerity]

8. Here is the full 165 page report, would be surprised if the No votes read it and stay No

REPORT OF INVESTIGATION
INTO ALLEGATIONS OF
SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY
GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.08.03_nyag_-_investigative_report.pdf

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Thanks!

[Oneironaut]

9. As soon as Matt Gaetz resigns

They’ve set the rules now. It’s time for us to follow the same rules.

[BannonsLiver]

11. Well Matt Gaetz wasn't mean to someone at a fundraising cotillion that one time so he can stay.

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[brooklynite]

51. Anyone who gets emotional about politics probably shouldn't be involved. Don't you agree?

[BannonsLiver]

52. I'm not sure.

Are you making the point that automatons are more skilled and successful politicians? I’m not sure that’s the case.

We can dislike Gaetz all we want, but it’s hard to argue he’s not a successful politician when it comes to getting elected. My guess is he will be elected in perpetuity, if he so desires. I find him to be quite emotional. So was Trump, for that matter.

As for the plebs, which is who I think you’re referring to, that might be true, but it’s deeply unrealistic. Politics is the new sports in our culture. There will always be heaps of emotional people involved.

What’s intersecting to me is the assumption that there’s no emotion involved on the anti Cuomo side of the fence, when clearly there is. Should those people also not get involved in politics?

[brooklynite]

55. I'm sure there is among some people...I don't recommend it

I started out as a Ward Committeeman in Philadelphia, and learned not to make subjective and emotional decisions about which politicians and candidates to support and which not to.

In the case of Matt Gaetz, I won't waste a penny trying to defeat a Republican in an R+20 district. He'll lose his seat if/when he gets convicted.

In the case of Andrew Cuomo, my sole concern is whether he's going to cost us the Governorship in 2022, based on both the fact that he's running for a fourth term, and the fact that the damaging assertions about his behavior have been validated.

[BannonsLiver]

59. My guess is he'll take a beat to process the report and will decide against running again.

It seems unlikely he would be able to win the primary at this point.

[AkFemDem]

15. Oh so female staffers should just continue to feel unsafe...

And have to work with a man who harassed them, just so democrats can make a point?

Nice.

[Oneironaut]

30. I think Andrew Cuomo is a scumbag.

I absolutely would never defend him or his actions. On the other hand, the Democrats need to stop eating their own, even if it’s warranted (like in this case). When the Republicans decide to go back to caring about doing what’s right, we can too.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

31. So IOW, female staffers can just go on feeling unsafe. Because Republicans.

[Oneironaut]

38. That's a wrong summarization of my point.

At this time, only one side cares about morality. The other side could have an active serial killer in office, and they wouldn’t care.

I’m beyond cynical at this point. We’ve tried to do what’s right in the past, and it just helped Republicans win.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

53. So should Cuomo resign?

[Oneironaut]

57. Morally and in the interest of justice, yes.

In this political landscape set by the Republicans, no. It depends what kind of poison we want to ingest.

[Dorian Gray]

73. None

I want to ingest zero poison.

[yardwork]

83. That makes no sense.

Think about that approach in the context of nuclear war, for one example.

"If you guys are going to keep firing nuclear warheads at us we'll just keep firing ours back at you. We don't care if the whole world blows up. Who cares if everybody dies? We won't stop until you do!"

[Wavelight]

33. What pant load

N/T

[Oneironaut]

34. Ok

Why?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

44. Those rules consist of sacrificing women and their safety. Fuck that shit.

[Ohio Joe]

60. No

I prefer not to dive into the magat cesspool.

Also... Consider a self delete and apology for putting up garbage like that.

[Oneironaut]

67. I stand by my post.

Apology? It’s an Internet forum. Just feel free to post why you disagree with my original point.

[Ohio Joe]

68. If you insist...

You really need to be told what is wrong with wanting to let a person in a position of power get away with sexual assault because someone else so far is? Really? Sheesh... OK.

1 - Gaetz is being gone after. While his base is fine with sexual assault and letting him continue, those of us on the left are not. There were plenty of calls for him to resign but it is a right wing position that they don't consider it a problem. The rule of law is and will continue to chase down both Gaetz and Cuomo, one POS from each party... The choice we have to make is do we let our POS remain in power while that happens.

2 - Whataboutism - Its always a bullshit argument. One persons evil does not justify another evil.

3 - Power for the sake of power... Is that really what you want? To what end? Support the use of evil to gain power... And do what with that power? Suddenly do the right thing?

4 - Lets put aside the moral issue of letting a POS stay in office because someone from the other party is being allowed to do so and talk practicality. Regardless if Cuomo stays in office or not, this crime will hang around him and only get worse, his chances of winning reelection will be slim to none. A repug governor will kill any/all investigations in TFG and let him not only go free but allow him another chance at destroying our democracy. Sounds like a stupid plan to me.

Please... Rebut all points... Justify why being just like the magats and supporting someone who commits sexual assault is a good idea for Dems. What other right wing traits do you think we should adopt?

[Dorian Gray]

74. love this response

especially point three. thank you.

[Dorian Gray]

72. If you're

comparing Cuomo to Gaetz, that doesn't bode well for the integrity of our party.

[Hoyt]

10. If even half of today's revelations are true, he should have resigned months ago.

[leftstreet]

18. +1

[Marius25]

12. Yes, I'm just terrified of a Republican taking his spot.

That would mean no prosecution for Trump and his family.

I realize it's New York, but in this timeline, I don't trust anything. Even California is on the verge of ending up with a Republican Governor because of the stupid recall.

[Kaleva]

21. IMHO, the odds of a TFG loyalist winning is pretty much zip

[pwb]

13. No. Prove it.

What exactly did he do or say? You look nice today? That black dress looks nice on you? Or did he grab woman by the pussy? We have a man who knows how to Govern and you want him out for what? Being a single guy?

[AkFemDem]

16. DId you even bother to read the report?

[pwb]

23. What report this is a poll?

Besides a report is not fact. It has been reported so he is guilty?

[Sympthsical]

26. The report is literally the Democratic Attorney General's official findings

I think you're behind on a new story or two.

This is the end of the official investigation into the claims by the AG.

[Dorian Gray]

76. This poll was in response

to the Democratic AG of NY State's official report declaring that Cuomo has, in fact, sexually harassed multiple women and broken laws.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. The report goes into great detail if you'd like to know what he did.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.08.03_nyag_-_investigative_report.pdf

[Takket]

20. there was a lengthy independant investigation

of details of multiple victims. It has been proven.

[pwb]

28. Not beyond a doubt to me.

The pukes and Vlad are all in on his guilt. So what did he do that was so awful? He is a single guy and they talk to woman and compete for their attention. We shall see. What did Kavanaugh and trump and Gaetz do again to women?

[tonedevil]

39. Have you read the report?

[tritsofme]

45. Very sad and disappointing to see this sort of thing here.

[ShazzieB]

70. Read the damned report already.

You are making statements based on what is obviously a complete lack of information.

[pwb]

81. It is a report for fuck sake. A report.

I read very well zz.

[Dorian Gray]

77. sigh

[pwb]

82. Yawn.

.

[Celerity]

114. 'Completely Violated': Women Describe Cuomo's Groping and Intimidation

The new account of a state trooper bolsters a meticulous new report on Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s misdeeds — and how his inner circle allowed such conduct to fester.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/nyregion/cuomo-toxic-workplace.html

The governor placed his finger on the back of the trooper’s neck, standing behind her in an elevator at his Manhattan office, tracing the path of her spine with a two-word narration: “Hey, you.” Sometimes, he asked questions — Why didn’t she wear a dress? Why pursue marriage when “your sex drive goes down” afterward? Could he kiss her? — and sometimes, he made statements: He remarked that his ideal girlfriend could “handle pain.” He said that the trooper, in her late 20s, was “too old” for him. He directed her to say nothing of their conversations. The trooper was perhaps most unsettled after an event on Long Island in 2019. As she held a door open for him, she felt the palm of his hand on her bellybutton, pressing toward her right hip, where she kept her gun. “I felt completely violated,” she later told investigators. “But, you know, I’m here to do a job.”

Doing a job at the behest of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo was long known to be taxing and often demeaning work. But a 165-page report released on Tuesday by the state attorney general is at once the fullest accounting yet of his executive misdeeds and a meticulous rendering of how that conduct was permitted to fester in the first place. To exist as a woman in Mr. Cuomo’s orbit, the report suggested, was to live “the dichotomy between fear and flirtation,” a space where the boss could toggle between intimate and intimidating and where his senior-most aides seemed to operate with a singular focus on the governor’s reputation and personal comfort.

In fact, the report says, as Mr. Cuomo sexually harassed women inside and outside his government, greater pains were taken to protect him from himself: The executive chamber declined to report harassment allegations from an executive assistant, Charlotte Bennett, to the appropriate state agency and moved instead to establish a practice preventing certain female staff members from being left alone with the governor. The composition of his circle, in the report’s telling, was likewise intended to minimize exposure for Mr. Cuomo and accentuate a culture of fear around confronting him, with access granted chiefly to those with “a proven, personal loyalty.”

Those with Mr. Cuomo’s ear included state employees like Melissa DeRosa, his top aide, and outside advisers like his brother Chris Cuomo, the CNN anchor, with no formal obligation to the state. The result, investigators wrote, was that “employees who are not part of this inner circle of loyalists would rightfully believe — and did believe — that any complaint or allegation about the governor would be handled by people whose overriding interest is in protecting the governor.” So bleak were the options available to Mr. Cuomo’s victims, witness interviews showed, that even unwelcome sexualized attention could be seen as “a better alternative to the otherwise tense, stressful and ‘toxic’ experience in the executive chamber.”

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[LakeArenal]

14. His constituents should decide.

[tritsofme]

17. How can his constituents decide if he should resign?

Or is your answer, no, that he shouldn’t resign?

[LakeArenal]

25. My answer was no.

I hated that Al Franken was railroaded. If it been up to his constituents, he’d still be a senator. As much as I dislike it sometimes, I think it’s a double standard.

[Jose Garcia]

40. His constituents are represented by legislators. Those legislators can impeach him

[LakeArenal]

58. Fine by me as long as it's NY. Texas likes to sticks nose in everyone's business.

The state can recall him too.

[Dorian Gray]

78. Oooh! Ooooooh! ME ME ME!!!! I'm his constituent

Bye Bye Cuomo! You have got to go!

[LakeArenal]

88. I'm glad you get to decide and not some person in Texas.

Although I think it should be through recall or impeachment or vote.
Pressure from constituents of New York

[Dorian Gray]

116. I think a lot of us are sick of his shit.

But I also wouldn't be shocked if he white knuckles it through the next month and just refuses to budge.

[LakeArenal]

117. I think so too.

[SoonerPride]

22. Nope.

Unilateral surrender is no longer on the table.

[BannonsLiver]

29. But there will be style points, and morally we can all feel good about ourselves.

Is that not appealing?

[Arazi]

24. Nope. I'm over Dems resigning for this while Rs stay in office

The voters can force him out or Tish James can put him in jail to effectuate his termination

[Bettie]

32. Now that the investigation is done

yes, he should.

[Ilsa]

36. The investigation seems pretty conclusive

that he tried to take power, using sexuality, over women. Screw him. He needs to be fired or recalled pronto.

[beaglelover]

37. He's up for re-election in Nov 2022. Let the voters decide.

[tritsofme]

41. Should additional safety precautions be implemented to prevent further assaults?

Or should we just cross our fingers that he doesn’t victimize more women before his term ends?

[Dorian Gray]

80. +100000%

[yardwork]

104. Also this, in addition to my post below.

[yardwork]

84. Seems like a bad strategy. If he resigns now, Democrats might keep the seat.

If he hangs on, a Republican will probably win.

[electric_blue68]

90. you have a good point

[yardwork]

105. As do you, below.

[electric_blue68]

108. Ah, thank you

[electric_blue68]

42. As a NYC'r: sadly - yes, while because he's done good things (esp the pandemic); but this is...

appalling behavior! We women have had enough!
I listened to the report's details live as it was announced.

That being said - I want drumph, and Kavenaugh jailed, too for thos actions alone (besides all the other reasons).

Listen, I'm terrified of Republicans. But this can't go on for the women in that office, and I'm mostly confident that we can run an excellent Democratic candidate.

NYC, and Dems elsewhere in the our State - it will highly be probable for us to win ibecause of what we have experienced thes past 5+ years most of us are angry, and furious part of the time; there will be GOTV(!!!) in 2022.

[karynnj]

43. Not to mention, his covid record is not that impressive

Being the governor of NY, he got a huge amount of coverage. However, just off the top of my head there are at least two who had way less media, but ran things far better. It is likely impossible to have handled things better than Washington state, which was the first hit. They followed science AND in fact led on getting data on potential early cases. Another governor who quietly did a better job wasPhil Scott in Vermont.

Frankly Coumo was over rated.

[electric_blue68]

47. Early on Cuomo did seemingly make mistakes re: the nursing home...

stuff. I didn't follow it fully enough to say it with absolute certainty.

And I know what we experienced in NYC, practically ground zero, along w Washington State.

[karynnj]

54. New York was one of the ground zeroes

I followed Washington State because I have a daughter who lives there who was then a student for a masters at University of Washington in Bothel, which was very very near the nursing home outbreak.

Washington did a great job, in spite of the federal government. They shut down Seattle schools long before any other state did anything. The impact was to drastically cut transmission. In some ways, Cuomo almost used the pandemic to become known as the combative alternative to Trump. Both Phil Scott and Inslee had the state's medical community take the lead while they gave them strong support.

[electric_blue68]

89. And your daughter has made it through safely so far? I hope.

[karynnj]

93. Yes, she was extremely cautious and was vaccinated as soon as her age group came up

Her being there was why I followed WA more than I would have otherwise.

[electric_blue68]

109. good for her, and you 👍

[Earth-shine]

46. I'm listening to his press conference now. He's so full of sh*t.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

48. The AG said Cuomo violated state and federal laws. He must resign or be impeached.

[greenjar_01]

49. I was a strong no pending the independent report

Especially since many of the characters baying for his blood are obvious trolls and liars.

But the independent report is damning. Time to go.

He should resign.

[electric_blue68]

92. I was upset but was willing to wait, cognizant of liars, and trolls ...

... but now he should resign.

[hunter]

50. Yes.

It sounds like he should be neutered as well.

[H2O Man]

56. Yes.

[IcyPeas]

61. no. impeach him. that's another possibility. then let voters decide in 2022

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Whatever is most likely to stop us from ending up with a Republican governor.

[Raine]

63. Yes, absolutely! nt

[DiamondShark]

65. No, this will however help with the lawsuits filed by his victims.

The many many lawsuits.

[mvd]

66. Well I said I wanted an independent investigation first

That came out and I see no reason to question the results. I do think Cuomo should resign. But I REALLY want Repukes held to the same standards.

[yardwork]

85. Agreed.

[Meowmee]

69. No imo

We could end up with Lee Zeldin or a dem who is terrible. If we end up with LZ I am done with this country actually I pretty much feel that way anyway already before this due to many things but mainly due to the way the pandemic has more recently been handled and from the start as well of course.

[Celerity]

79. If he doesn't resign he will be impeached. Every NY federal Dem, plus Biden, etc

have told him to resign. Your scenario of a Rethug sneaking in is much more likely with Cuomo than without. He will never get re-elected again, and will do tremendous damage to our Party if he chooses to fight an unjust war to the bloody end, an end in which he will lose.

He violated multiple federal and state laws (the NY AG's own words) sexually harrased/abused multiple women, including a NY State Trooper that he personally had picked out if a crowd and had rules changed in order to get her in his orbit. 179 witnesses testified to the veracity of this multivariate illegal behaviour.

He, worst of all, grossly and corruptly abused the power of his office via turning the Executive chamber into a personal intimidation and retaliation machine.

He is utterly and profoundly unfit for office, irregardless of anything the fucking Rethugs do. The US is a nation of laws, not men/women.

[Meowmee]

95. Disagree

Impeaching him would be a huge mistake. It has not been proven in a court of law as far as I know.so no it has not been proven. By the way, I actually live here in the us and in ny for most of my life. I also have first hand experience with false harassment accusations / charges which were brought to court were found to be lies and which were dismissed with prejudice.

[Celerity]

99. you are now sliding the goalposts. Impeachment is a political move, not a legal move.

The report was overwhelming and damning. The abuse of power was especially egregious. Cuomo's political situation is untenable and he puts the entire Party at risk if he goes full stop scorched earth and fights this every step of the way. It will be a disaster, and quite likely could yield a Rethug sneaking in if Cuomo somehow (I do not see it happening but it is not 100% guaranteed he will fail) rams through a primary win.

I also have first hand experience with false harassment accusations / charges which were brought to court were found to be lies and which were dismissed with prejudice.

Have you even read the report? It beggars belief that all those 179 witness and all the multiple victims (including a NY State Trooper who he harassed and had that harassment witnessed by other State Troopers) are involved in some grand conspiracy and are all risking legal charges by perjuring themselves. The NY AG is a straight shooting Democrat. There is zero chance she would put the entire NY state legal apparatus at an almost unfathomable level of potential risk by putting up 165 pages of fiction.

President Biden has looked at the report, and said Cuomo has to go. I stand with Biden. 100& of the NY US senators and US House reps said the same thing. I stand with them.

Your wishes and advice would end in a shambolic implosion IMHO.

[Meowmee]

100. I am not sliding anything I responded to two of your points

One it would be a mistake to impeach and two the charges have not been proven in a court. Please go back and re read what I wrote. I guess time will tell on what happens. If they force him out lets see who they run. I am actually going to be severely affected by this since ai live here, LZ is my rep.

I never automatically agree with the prez or anyone else. There are plenty of things i disagree with already, not sure if ai am allowed to state that here. This country is not yet a dictatorship.

[Celerity]

102. You are now demanding that he be tried and convicted in a court of law before he needs to go.

It has not been proven in a court of law as far as I know.so no it has not been proven.

The VAST majority (myself included) of posters said let the due process of a detailed investigation, overseen by the AG, play out. It now has. The report is overwhelming and it is damning ay a multiplicity of levels, including multiple documented instances of abuse of power by the Executive chamber.

You are now moving the goalposts to demand that he cannot be touched and/or should not resign until a criminal trial and conviction takes place. That would set up a potential nightmarish situation.

I have watched multiple Democratic NY State Senators and New York State Assembly members all say that if he refuses to resign, he will be impeached. The same thing happened with Spitzer and it was NOT post criminal trial and conviction.

Stonewalling this is incredibly bad optics on damn near every level, and courts disaster.

[Meowmee]

106. No not demanding anything

Do not attempt to try to put words in my mouth so to speak. I simply pointed out that you were wrong when you say that it has been proven because until it is proven in a court of law it is not really proven. An investigation is not a court.

In addition the person running the investigation, the ag is now apparently considering running for governor, I am not sure if that is true. If so that is a conflict of interest.

I recall you yourself stating a while back that you were more concerned with things you felt C had done wrong with handling the pandemic than the harassment charges. You’ve changed your mind apparently which is your right.

It is also my right to have my opinion on all of this. I don’t have to walk lockstep with Biden or anyone else. This is going to directly affect me as I have already said twice but maybe it needs repeating here.

This is not a good situation, if you think forcing a governor out of office is a good thing in these circumstances you are imo wrong.

[Celerity]

107. I disagree with you completely. Biden, Pelosi, 100% of the NY congressional delegation, etc. all

have said he needs to go.

I stand with them, whether you choose to or not, and you are now going into problematic territory, suggesting possible malfeasance via bias by Democratic AG James in her investigation. You are attempting to pit Democrat v Democrat IMHO. That is exactly what you are doing with this FUD language (and this is now becoming a RW talking point that you are pushing):

In addition the person running the investigation, the ag is now apparently considering running for governor, I am not sure if that is true. If so that is a conflict of interest.

you also said

I recall you yourself stating a while back that you were more concerned with things you felt C had done wrong with handling the pandemic than the harassment charges.

That is yet another shoe that may well drop. (the nursing home numbers manipulation), and one can take the position that I (and most others did) and say let's have a full investigation of the harassment charges before drawing conclusions. That stance doesn't negate or come into conflict at all with the stance I now have post-report on the harassment.

What We Know About Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal

https://www.nytimes.com/article/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-deaths.html

Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration has been accused of deliberately obscuring the full scope of nursing home deaths in New York. The F.B.I. is investigating. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, once widely celebrated for leading New York out of the coronavirus pandemic’s darkest days, is now embroiled in crisis over how many of the state’s nursing home residents died because of the virus and an apparent effort to hide the true toll.

Beginning last spring, Mr. Cuomo was criticized over a state requirement that forced nursing homes to take back residents] who had been hospitalized with Covid-19 once they recovered. Critics said the policy had increased the number of virus-related deaths among nursing home residents. At the time, Mr. Cuomo and his aides dismissed the outcry as politically motivated, and in July, the State Health Department released a report that found the policy was not responsible for an increase. The report did, however, raise questions in some quarters about how the state was reporting deaths.

In January, New York’s attorney general said the administration had undercounted nursing home deaths by several thousand. Mr. Cuomo later acknowledged as much, blaming the lower figure on fears that the Trump administration would use the data as a political weapon. The suggestion that the actual death count had been covered up intensified criticism of Mr. Cuomo, including from his allies in state government.

The scandal deepened after reports that the governor’s aides had altered the July report to hide the true figure. In April, The New York Times reported that Mr. Cuomo’s aides had gone to far greater lengths than previously known to obscure the death toll, repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been looking into whether Mr. Cuomo and his aides provided false data on resident deaths to the Justice Department, according to people with knowledge of the investigation.

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[Meowmee]

111. And I disagree with you so so many points,

We will never agree so I would no longer bother with the long paragraphs of replies, over and out.

[Dorian Gray]

71. He should go

absolutely.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. Yes, and he should do it yesterday. n/t

[dalton99a]

86. No elected Democrat should resign their position until and unless impeached or convicted of a felony

[Shrek]

87. I have a feeling he may try to ride it out

Ralph Northam showed how it can work.

The circumstances are different so it may not work for Cuomo, but I wouldn't be shocked if he tried it.

[electric_blue68]

91. Head of DC37 just said to resign. No other new news yet

[Polybius]

94. How could 22% say no?

Oh well, at least 78% say yes.

[iemanja]

97. I'm surprised it's not higher

given some of the excuses I've seen.

[iemanja]

96. Yes, but he won't

His ego is too big.

[maxsolomon]

98. I'm curious to see how it will play out if he doesn't.

NY Legislature is threatening Impeachment. Would their Senate convict him? I just don't know; I don't live anywhere near NY.

In retrospect, Al Franken certainly shouldn't have. That was a hit job.

[Polybius]

103. Well, 100% of Republicans would vote Yes

I’d imagine at least half the Democrats would as well.

[LuckyCharms]

101. I changed my reply from no to yes after I read the report. n/t

[moondust]

110. For those keeping score,

I believe Cuomo has about 11 women accusers while TFG has at least 26. Not that it matters as one is too many, but...how about some equal justice under the law?

[Rustyeye77]

112. Also 2 words...Al Frankin.

I really dont like piling on when TFG gets away with everything.

[lees1975]

113. Yes, but...

the Democrats should use this opportunity to point to the standard they have set here. When this sort of thing happens, Democrats have integrity. When Republicans do it, they try to ignore it, justify it and get by with it. So who is the party of values here?

[Rustyeye77]

115. Uhhhh...we did that with Al Frankin.

That went well.

[smirkymonkey]

118. Why are so many male politicians so effing stupid?

They must know that sooner or later, if they engage in this type of behavior, it is going to come back to bite them in the ass. Who would want to live with that constantly hanging over their head?