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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy do Dems throw their own under the bus, like Cuomo and Franken..
but pukes never throw their cretins out
like Gaetz and others I cant remember.
If anyone remember the pukes they kept in , feel free to post their names.
BusterMove
(11,996 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)Franken to me is another story.
joetheman
(1,450 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)to give a damn and they dont.
The reason trump gets away with being a traitor on live TV or crimes left and right is half the country wants him to do those things.
Maybe not half, but ENOUGH of them to make it impossible.
Initech
(100,068 posts)And they still did nothing! Knocking down a conservative is like trying to tip over a vending machine. You're not going to get it on the first try. You have to rock it back and forth a few times, then it goes over!
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)Franken got railroaded in the hyper-frenzied rollout of the #metoo movement and the bullshit emotional reaction of Kirsten Gillibrand.
I think Cuomo is actually guilty of sexually harassing women and deserves what he gets.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,955 posts)I don't like it but it looks like some real substance there.
Bev54
(10,050 posts)brooklynite
(94,517 posts)Why is what the Republicans do at all relevant?
Atticus
(15,124 posts)matter what capital letter follows the name.
brush
(53,773 posts)office behavior towards women harkens back to another era where men were very handsy with women who worked for them. It doesn't fly anymore. It hasn't for years now. Times caught up with him and there are consequences.
Al Franken, on the other hand, was a victim of ambitious but gullible Gillibrand who fell for Roger Stone's dirty trick on Franken while trying to make a name for herself.
ShazzieB
(16,387 posts)brush
(53,773 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)There ya go! The right answer.
Mary in S. Carolina
(1,364 posts)"Our Own" are women, if Cuomo was truly "one of us" he would have respected these women; he is actually "one of them" and has hurt the Democratic Party brand.
Doc Sportello
(7,516 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Start with the mysogonstic, racist bigots who organized Brand New Congress.(Cenk, Exley, & Stone)..& moved on to form their new Brand, JDems. (Stone eventually went to prison for his sexual stalking problem, btw)
Odd how their ugly side was hushed & never allowed to be spoken of again.
Sanders own campaign staff had sexual issues that were simply hushed.
And we were given a typical mysogonistic man's excuse, "but..but..but it was just"...& we were never to speak again of the abhorrent sexist exploitative words of "Rape Fantasies".
So what exactly is the BRAND we're talking about?
Right. Depends on the target du jour.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)That is the crux of it at this point. All of what you said. Ive also been curious why some Bernie supporters in New York never spoke of his sexual harassment claims in his campaign, but oooh, Cuomo has to go. Brand, indeed.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Drag it all out & call it what it is.
Vile & disgustingly triggering.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)and excused. SMH.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)Women were victimized by someone and they deserve justice.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)crickets
(25,968 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)When their own was staffed with mysogonists, racists & bigots it was covered up & they moved on.
Money & Media, baby!
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ananda
(28,858 posts)nt
Poeraria
(219 posts)with Franken.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)All they care about is winning elections.
Poeraria
(219 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Their voters won't care if they sexually harassed anyone.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)ballot box isnt just a Republican thing, it seems.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)the size of it. Very frustrating.
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)Just because Republicans enjoy covering up for the amoral predators among their ranks doesnt mean we should emulate them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)given that it works. This virtue could lead to a Republican majority. The voters are not this way. They don't think we are better - too many of them think it is "weak."
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)That seems to work for Republicans.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Overgeneralization.
But if you want a Republican majority, have at it. Complain to the voters who tolerate this sort of thing. They are the bad guys, not me.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)I'm not the one arguing that we might want to stop holding sexual harassers to account for their actions.
Sexism is fine and dandy to some people here.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I said don't have elected people resign unless they are actually convicted, and for a while. You continue to misrepresent that. It's the easy way out for you.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)Company, an investigation of this huge scope that yielded these findings would very likely result in the resignation or firing of the accused. It isnt necessary to go to court to get a conviction.
There is a big difference between a comprehensive legal investigation and someone off handedly making an accusation.
brush
(53,773 posts)a republican congressional majority. If Cuomo is impeached and convicted, another Democrat will replace him as NY is a very blue state. There will continue to be two blue senators and a majority of the NY House delegation will also be blue.
Your argument doesn't fly.
treestar
(82,383 posts)over sexual harassment at this time. Not unless convicted. This issues was all I mentioned, so I don't know why you would expand it like that - maybe you intend to debate in bad faith.
brush
(53,773 posts)Are you actually advocating that?
treestar
(82,383 posts)over this one issue, even temporarily?
How much will harassment be tolerated in a Republican government, I wonder? How many more women will be harassed in that world?
brush
(53,773 posts)nothing to do with Congressional majorities as Biden will remain president if Cuomo is impeached and convicted. The Lt. Gov. of NY is a Democrat and she will be re-elected next year if that happens. The two NY US senators are Dems and will remain so, as will the majority of the NY House delegation.
In other words, NY is a blue state and what happens there with Cuomo won't change our majorities in Congress or the WH.
But do carry on.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)So we just have no principles now. Because Trump.
You know how we used to say Bin Laden won because of how Bush reacted after 9/11?
I'm getting some of those vibes here with Trump and some of the reaction on our side.
If we ignore the abuse of women because Trump, yeah, that guy won.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)While advocating for something that throws all women under the bus.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)against the Governor were just released and they are pretty damming.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Wait for a day in court to face his accusers before judging and sentencing in public opinion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Celerity
(43,333 posts)His behaviour was absolutely abhorrent, and violated multiple state and federal laws (those are the NY AG's own words)
He serially sexually harassed and assaulted multiple women, (including a NY State Trooper whom he had personally assigned to him after he picked her out of a crowd, and had the 4 year minimum service rule changed just to get her with him) with a shedload of witnesses attesting to this (179 people gave testimony).
He and his office illegally retaliated against anyone, intimidated anyone, threatened anyone who reported any of his serial sexual abuse.
He was given full due process and he is exposed for the all the world to see.
100% of the Dem NY Congressional delegation (US House and Senate) have called for him to resign.
He is toast, and rightly so.
Read the report, you will see everything I said is true and then some.
REPORT OF INVESTIGATION
INTO ALLEGATIONS OF
SEXUAL HARASSMENT BY
GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2021.08.03_nyag_-_investigative_report.pdf
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Just taking a break at work, hadn't seen all this yet. WOWSA.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)A pass was written &,excused &,moved off the media radar.
No one dared bring it up again.
It was filth.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Jack Tarpley Camp Jr., (R)
Mark Souder, Representative (Republican-Indiana) A staunch advocate of abstinence and family values,[146][147] Souder resigned to avoid an ethics investigation into his admitted extramarital affair with a female staffer. (2010)[148][149][150]
Chris Lee, Representative (Republican-New York)
Scott DesJarlais, Representative (Republican-Tennessee) Admitted under oath to at least six affairs, including two affairs with his patients and staffers while he was a physician at Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, TN. Additionally, while running on a declared "pro-life" platform, DesJarlais coerced his ex-wife into having two abortions, and tried to persuade a mistress, who was his patient, into an abortion as well.[157][158][159]
Vance McAllister, Representative (Republican-Louisiana) Although married and the father of five, was caught on surveillance camera deeply kissing a married staffer. Several prominent Republicans asked McAllister to resign. In response, he stated he would not seek re-election in 2016.[162] McCallister said: There's no doubt I've fallen short, and I'm asking for forgiveness. I'm asking for forgiveness from God, my wife, my kids, my staff, and my constituents who elected me to serve. (2014)[163]
Blake Farenthold, US Representative (Republican-Texas)
Dennis Hastert, former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives (Republican-Illinois) Pled guilty to structuring bank withdrawals in order to conceal deliberately-unspecified misconduct by Hastert against an unnamed individual years earlier.[166] At a sentencing hearing in October 2015, Hastert admitted that he had sexually abused boys while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier. (2015)[167][168]
Donald Trump (Republican), the 45th President of the United States was accused of sexual assault by 25 women during the 2016 election, and he denied the allegations.[169] (See Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations.) The allegations arose after The Washington Post released a 2005 video of Trump, recorded on a hot microphone by Access Hollywood, in which he bragged about groping women.[170][171][172] Trump himself renewed the controversy a year later by alleging that the video was fake,[173] to which Access Hollywood replied: Let us make this perfectly clearthe tape is very real. Remember, his excuse at the time was 'locker-room talk.' He said every one of those words.[174][175] The first reports of an alleged 2006 affair between Donald Trump and adult film star Stormy Daniels were published in October 2011 by the blog The Dirty and the magazine Life & Style (see Stormy DanielsDonald Trump scandal).[176][177]
Tim Murphy, Representative (Republican-Pennsylvania) Had an extramarital affair with Shannon Edwards, a 32-year-old forensic psychologist. The self-identified "pro-life" Murphy asked Edwards to have an abortion after she became pregnant. The information was revealed as part of Murphy's divorce proceedings, and published by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette after it fought in Pennsylvania state court to have the documents unsealed. Murphy resigned his seat in Congress.
Joe Barton, Representative (Republican-Texas) Acknowledged he took and emailed nude photos of himself in 2015, following leaks of the photos in November 2017.[179][180][181] He decided not to seek re-election in 2018.[182]
Trent Franks, Representative (Republican-Arizona) was investigated by the House Ethics Commission about allegations of improper conduct. Before the study concluded, Franks abruptly resigned. (2017)[185][186][187]
Pat Meehan, Representative (Republican-Pennsylvania) In January, 2018, it was revealed that US Representative Pat Meehan used taxpayer funds to settle a sexual harassment claim levied by a female staffer. He was removed from the House Ethics Committee, but remained in office until he resigned on April 27, 2018, stating that he would repay the taxpayer money used to settle the suit. (2018)[188][189][190]
Jim Jordan, Representative (Republican-Ohio) was accused of covering up and failing to report sexual abuse of minors by former members of the Ohio State University wrestling team by the team physician. There were multiple victims during the period when Jordan was Assistant Coach of the team from 1987 to 1995. On February 12, 2020, allegations surfaced from one of those former members that Jordan (was) "repeatedly crying and begging him not to corroborate accounts of sexual abuse against the universitys wrestling team doctor that occurred when Jordan was a coach."[191]
Brett Kavanaugh, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court was accused of sexual assault and misconduct by Christine Blasey Ford, Deborah Ramirez, and three other women, in alleged incidents that occurred during his high school and college years.[192][193][194] An FBI investigation concluded that there was no corroboration of the accusations.[195][196] Kavanaugh vehemently denied all of the allegations. He was confirmed by the Senate in a party line vote, and was sworn in as a Justice of the Supreme Court.
Roy S. Moore (R) candidate for the US Senate was accused by nine women of sexual contact and assault in the 1980s, when the women were teenaged girls. Though Moore denied the allegations, he lost the election. (2017)[197][198][199]
Matt Gaetz, U.S. Representative (Republican-Florida) In March 2021, reports surfaced of a federal investigation into Matt Gaetz, an American politician serving as the U.S. representative for Florida's 1st congressional district, involving claims he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl in 2019. [207] The New York Times reported that Gaetz was being investigated by the Department of Justice (DOJ), and investigators were examining whether he had violated federal sex trafficking laws. [208] Gaetz denied any wrongdoing, asserting he and his family were "victims of an organized criminal extortion involving a former DOJ official seeking $25 million."[207] (see Matt Gaetz sexual misconduct allegations)
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yonder
(9,664 posts)But dems play by different rules.
I am not defending Cuomo
Im defending fairness.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)You think it should be fine for us?
It's no longer "It's okay if you're a Republican," it's "If it's okay for a Republican, Democrats should get a pass as well."
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Read the allegations and then contrast them to Cuomos very weak defense/justification and then get back to us.
Cuomo needs to resign. He threw himself under the bus, especially after todays embarrassing show.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)I would be for Cuomo stepping down when these 4 assholes resign.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)Got it - no morals.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)The more details I hear, the more Im of the mind Cuomo should face charges, not just impeachment.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Again, I expect the Democratic Party, and Dems in general, to be held to a higher standard of behavior.
What Cuomo did today was offer a non-apology for his actions a sorry, not sorry. What was not inappropriate to him IS inappropriate to a majority of people, especially women. Some of these allegations could be crimes. Im glad to see national figures like Schumer and Gillibrand call for his resignation.
Do you really think the hostile work environment and sexual harrassment these women experienced deserves to get a pass because the Republicans do it? We need to stand by Cuomo because Republicans stand by people like those youve mentioned? Really?
The whatabouttery here is disgusting.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Cuomo needs to go away.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)Probably it would have yielded little to no evidence of illegal behavior.
in Cuomos case, the investigation was done fairly, and the outcome is overwhelming.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)I'd like to see the reporting about the ethics committee saying they wouldn't investigate it and told him to just quit instead.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)Denying him an investigation. It isnt hard to find that if you Google it.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)He didn't need to resign. He wasn't forced to resign. He CHOSE to resign. Maybe an investigation would've cleared him. Maybe it would've unearthed a ton more crap that he didn't want in the open, so he quit to avoid it.
I don't know, and neither do you.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)He had no choice when his colleagues were telling him to resign, in part because they were concerned about how his situation could affect them in upcoming elections. Some of them, and Republicans, would have been on the ethics panel. There was virtually no chance he would have had a fair or supportive process under those circumstances.
That is the reality of politics. He was cornered by in some cases well meaning (but wrong) colleagues. I wrote to Senator Kaine at the time it was happening to ask him to please not let Franken be driven out by ratfckers, but it didnt help.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)Only can do what other people tell him. Of course it wouldn't have been an issue if he'd kept his hands to himself. But that never wants to be discussed here.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)And you were accused of stealing a computer, and the procedure is that a committee of your team and a competitors team would be investigating whether you did this, and your boss and nearly everyone on your team says they believe you stole it and need to leave before things get messier for them, that you would think staying and fighting would have a good outcome for you?
No way. He could stay and demand an investigation and piss off those telling him to leave. Or he could leave and hope that in time the truth will come out. Neither is a good choice. But he did NOT have the option to stay and get a fair hearing with support from his colleagues who knew he was innocent, or even fair enough to wait with an open mind for the investigation to play out.
DFW
(54,369 posts)No, an investigation would NOT have unearthed "a ton more crap," or any crap at all.
Al had not planned to quit, despite the Republican orchestrated campaign against him. What constituted the straw that broke the camel's back was when the Democratic governor of Minnesota announced Al's successor before he had ever said he would resign. Until then, he had resolved to keep his seat. He has since sort of come to terms with it. He went through a period of depression, since he was blindsided by allegations he knew were bogus, and figured the rest of his colleagues would realize it immediately. For reasons no one can really know, whether they saw a cynical advantage for themselves, or were just fearful of missing the boat, they claimed not to. Franni, bless her heart, has not come to terms with any of it, and is every bit as furious about it now as she was when it happened 4 years ago. She knows Al a hell of a lot better than I do, obviously, and she knows there was nothing to the "allegations" against him.
In November, 2017, Republican dirty tricks strategist Roger Stone declared that it was Al's "time in the barrel." He knew that before anyone. The tactic, surprising even Republicans with its success, was then tried against Virginia governor Ralph Northam, and then even the Tara Reid "scandal" to get Joe Biden, once it became clear that he was the biggest treat to Trump's getting a second term. By this time, people were onto Stone's tactics, and those tactics started failing to produce results.
What was scandalous was the pressure brought on Al to resign by his fellow Democratic Senators for political expedience, be it self-promotion (Gillibrand), or perceived expedience (getting Doug Jones elected in Alabama). Eight of those Senators have since apologized to Al, seven in private, and one publicly (Montana's Tester actually had the guts). If there have been others in the meantime, I haven't heard it from him, anyway. Be it out of shame, cynicism, or because they haven't the guts, I wouldn't hazard a guess. I hope to find out soon, depending on who's in DC in a few weeks, if there have been others, but I'm not holding my breath.
demmiblue
(36,845 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)even more. Look at Trump. They worshipped a golden statue of the perve and are sending him money to this day. Never mind the dozens upon dozens of sexual assault and outright rape accusations against him. I heard Elise Stefanik said she thinks Cuomo should be arrested. Wonder how she feels about Trump and E. Jean Carroll? That should be coming to a head pretty soon since he's got no way to keep his DNA from being tested against the dress and no way to weasel out of a deposition.
brooklynite
(94,517 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Way out there concept, I get it, from your question but pretty damn basic in my thinking.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,009 posts)Because Trump and Gaetz are their role models.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)But this one just flat out throwing women under the bus and those of us that do not are like betraying these men in some way. Crazy.
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)because Republicans get away with it. A lot of comments in this thread are fucking trash.
GoodRaisin
(8,922 posts)What each were accused of doing. Also, IIRC Franken didn't have an investigation even. My opinion is one should resign, one should not have.
dlk
(11,561 posts)Change is rarely flawlessly executed. It doesnt mean the change wasnt long overdue. Progress, not perfection
Budi
(15,325 posts)Or is it still hushed & never to be spoken of again. Or else.
Maybe is an appropriate time to drag it all out in the open & finally hold them all accountable for thir words & actions.
THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN BRUSHED ASIDE AS NOTHING, FOR YEARS.
Can they all FINALLY OWN those words & those actions, because they are all from the exact same vile pathetic opinions of women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy
dlk
(11,561 posts)The backlash has been so much worse in recent years.
Ocelot II
(115,683 posts)Bettie
(16,095 posts)even mildly critique one of theirs?
It won't ever happen. They adore their criminals, love their abusers and pedophiles, and are even more devoted to their sociopaths.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)He just affirmed his statement from March that the man should resign.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)He had due process and the results of the investigation are pretty damning.
Franken should have been allowed the same process and at least stayed until the report was issued.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)threw himself under the bus.
North Shore Chicago
(3,313 posts)why did HE throw his constituents/Democrats/women under the bus? He fluffed and made his bed, he needs to lie in it.