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[MichMan]

1. I wish the Federal government would adopt this policy for their employees

[mahatmakanejeeves]

5. I don't think it's that easy.

Missouri is probably an "at will" state, is it not? An employer there has a lot of leeway.

My federal civilian workers work under conditions negotiated by a workplace union. The union will want to have a say.

[James48]

20. I was a federal union rep

For 25 years. I can tel you the Unions are fine with mandating vaccines. The only thing we’d want to negotiate is the time frame for compliance, and perhaps the formal notice procedure if someone refuses.
Nobody wants to work with unvaccinated folks.

[TheBlackAdder]

19. Yep. I hope the Biden Admin. takes this into account with the Long-Haul COVID-19 anti-vaxxers.

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[calimary]

33. Maybe if they refuse to wear a mask, jack up THEIR rates. Preferably by A LOT.

For the rest of us who are trying to do it right, no change. Or maybe those of us who wear masks get a break in OUR rates?


I'm just not in much of a tolerance-for-bullshit mood today.

[fescuerescue]

41. That's illegal under ACA

Under the ACA healthcare law (Obamacare), insurers cannot charge based upon health condition.

They can raise rates. But they have to raise them on everyone.

As for the meme. It sounds great. But all three items are illegal currently.

[Ms. Toad]

43. As to health insurance - not an option.

There are only 5 reasons permitted to vary the rates for ACA-compliant plans. COVID (or any specific health condition) isn't one of them. (Age, smoking status, plan type, and geography are 4 of them. I forget the 5th.)

[mahatmakanejeeves]

2. No "or get tested weekly"? NT

[Tadpole Raisin]

3. Carrot, meet Stick!

[Moostache]

58. Or ant, meet boot!

[FoxNewsSucks]

4. Way to go!

If politicians won't do it, I guess we'll have to rely on corporations.

[luv2fly]

6. Heard something on the radio today

Don't remember where it was, but basically you had the choice of being vaccinated or getting tested weekly. If you opted for the latter, they also told you that each test cost $500 for all the expenses involved in testing. Whatever it takes...

[caraher]

17. Birmingham Southern

I read about it elsewhere on DU. Alabama passed a ban on "vaccine passports" so instead of requiring vaccinations, the school said everyone needs weekly tests and to pay a $500 fee to cover the cost. Testing and the fee are waived with proof of vaccination.

The author of the law is furious that he was outsmarted (since the school isn't banning unvaccinated students from attending but merely waiving a fee for the vaccinated, the law doesn't apply).

[lastlib]

21. I like this idea.

[luv2fly]

28. I found that as well when I did a quick search

Not sure that was it though as the story I heard was 500 per weekly test, a crapload of cash. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[Grins]

56. Gov. of Virginia ordered that today

Not vaccinated - a weekly Covid test.
Eff 01 Sept.
So they got 3-weeks to get er’ done.

Didn’t say at whose expense, but assume it is the employee’s.

[Sympthsical]

7. And you can be denied unemployment if that's the reason for termination

So, they can look forward to that as a result of their stubbornness as well.

[crickets]

8. Finally. This is what it takes to get overgrown babies to do the right thing. nt

[brush]

9. Makes complete sense. Straignt and to the point.

Make a decision.

[Raven123]

10. Sounds like they ran the numbers and made a business decision.

The fact that benefits the public interest is coincidental, but we take what we can get.

[madville]

11. They need good Union representation

What’s to stop a corporation from firing someone for getting any illness? If they can do it for one thing, what’s to stop them from firing someone for getting cancer or the regular flu?

This will also encourage infected unvaccinated employees to conceal infections and possibly come to work while sick.

Also in Missouri, Black people have the lowest rate of vaccination among all demographics so this policy would inadvertently but disproportionally affect Black employees more than other groups.

[USALiberal]

14. Wow, you are confused I assume! Nt

[madville]

31. I still believe in strong labor protections and the rights of employees

Having been a past and present member of various bargaining units/unions I don’t agree with the power to fire employees for using their sick leave for recognized medical conditions or to mandate vaccines lying with the employer, there is too much potential for abuse.

Vaccine mandates should come from the government, period. Not a hodgepodge of corporate employers that will have a wide range of confusing and inconsistent policies.

I will always prioritize the rights of an employee over that of the employer, I am not confused about that at all.

[kirkuchiyo]

22. Then I guess they'd better get the vaccination. nt

[leftstreet]

23. +1

If you're overweight and didn't take weight loss drugs but get an illness - you're fired!!

Jesus

I'm surprised they're not offering the standard "or get tested weekly"

[madville]

37. Yep, or say preventable cancers

“You smoked cigarettes for 20 cigarettes and got lung cancer, sorry, you can’t use your earned sick leave and we are firing you for taking the time off for treatment.”

[Raine1967]

46. Cancer is not a virus; It's not contagious. NT

[madville]

49. I didn't say it was

I don’t agree with giving that level of power to employers. Employees shouldn’t willingly waive their employment rights, benefits or union contracts for a specific contagious virus. Don’t agree that individual employers should now be able to terminate employees at will for using their earned sick leave benefits for a specific illness.

What about the regular flu, is that a better analogy? Don’t get a annual flu shot and get the flu, you’re fired. It’s a contagious virus too that has killed millions.

[Raine1967]

57. I was calling out your use of cancer.

You didn't say it was, however you used the C work and smoking. That's a false argument, IMO.

That said, we don't have the flu pandemic of 2021 (and we didn't have a bad flu season last year), do we? It's because the majority of citizens have and will get the Influenza vaccine.

We have over 600 thousand people dead. I'm not sure if the tweet in the OP is fact-based but the idea of abjecting to companies requiring a vaccine to cancer or obesity drugs (and that was a response to another poster, not you) is akin to comparing apples and oranges.

It's a f*cking pandemic. It's a public health crisis and it's global. It's FAR past time to take serious action to abate this virus.

Comparing Covid to cancer and smoking is not a good debate tactic. Hell, even the flu vaccine isn't -- we don't have a flu pandemic.

[madville]

62. Then the government should be mandating vaccine compliance

I don’t trust corporations or most employers to wield that power responsibly. I doubt either the accuracy of the tweet in the OP it sounds like something an individual store manager or supervisor may have said Most likely it is not nationwide corporate policy to fire unvaccinated people that contract Covid, that would be a mess in blue states with stronger worker protections.

[Raine1967]

44. Being overweight is not a contagion.

This virus is deadly and is being propagated by the unvaccinated.

[leftstreet]

50. not the point n/t

[Raine1967]

60. Can you make the point more clear?

It's a fact that Obesity is not contagious. It is also a fact that there are laws that prevent people from losing employment due to obesity.

This is a pandemic. It's a national health emergency. I don't know if the tweet in the OP is factually correct but I don't disagree with the idea.

There is no excuse for people to not be vaccinated when they have access to one for free.

[PortTack]

35. We have to start somewhere and this a good start. Your argument doesn't really work

POC once did not have as much access, but that’s no longer the case. You can walk into just about any pharmacy anywhere and within 15 minutes get jabbed.....on their way to work!

[madville]

39. We can disagree then, it's a horrible precedent

For worker/employee rights. Any vaccine mandates and such should come from the government. I don’t believe employers should get to decide which individual diseases/medical conditions an employee can use their earned sick leave for or be able to terminate them at will for using it.

[leftstreet]

40. "we" means the government. "we" aren't corporations n/t

[Celerity]

61. it's fake news

Link to tweet

[madville]

65. Good. That's what I figured

Thank you for posting. Didn’t see how an employer would start openly discriminating against employers regarding their use of earned sick leave and their vaccination status.

[Celerity]

67. Twitter is a cesspool

[IronLionZion]

68. That's what I figured

Disappointing to see DUers share this garbage. Such a thing would have news articles or a press release to verify.

[bringthePaine]

12. all aboard the train of Reason & Action!

[kairos12]

13. Lowe and behold. Consequences for the COVIDIOTs.

[LiberalFighter]

15. They need to apply a face mask requirement for customers.

[jmbar2]

16. Makes perfect sense

I wonder how many companies with health insurance are hearing from their insurance carriers about now? No one wants to pay costly medical bills for something totally preventable.

That of course assumes that at least some of their employees have company health insurance.

[Joinfortmill]

18. Well, ok then

[Sherman A1]

24. Interesting, but I would like to see more confirmation of such a policy from something beyond

a random tweet "My son works at Lowe's in MO." It does not state the area, store or anything of the sort, so color me skeptical.....

[Luciferous]

25. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

[SunSeeker]

26. K & R & Retweeted!

[roamer65]

27. Fuck yeah!

Hopefully it’s true.

[ShazzieB]

29. Why not just require proof of vaccination to be employed there?

That would would make more sense to me: require proof of vaccination OR proof of a bona-fide medical reason not to be vaccinated. It would be a lot simpler, as well as sending a message to customers that "This is a safe(r) place to shop."

This policy doesn't actually make things one bit safer. By the time an unvaccinated employee has gotten covid, they've already exposed God knows how many coworkers and customers to the virus. Firing them at that point is punitive (and I understand the appeal of punishing people for refusing the vaccine), but it doesn't help anyone, because the damage (spreading covid) has already been dooe by that time.

The only rule any employer needs to enact is "No jab? No job."

[Mysterian]

47. That's what I was thinking

Seems like just requiring vaccinations for all employees would make more sense.

[PortTack]

30. Getting vaccinated or else is really picking up steam!!

[calimary]

32. EXCELLENT!

This is FUCKING SERIOUS. What don't people understand about COVID being a KILLER virus? It KILLS. People DIE of it. And there's no coming back from that. Or trying to message your way around it to somehow justify being fucking selfish and short-sighted and in denial because you want to stay true to what donald-the-lying-asshole just made up as some kind of insane "justification".

NO wiggle room.

NO compromise.

NO exceptions.

NO bullshit excuses.

NO "shades of gray."

NO "my FREEDOM-FREEDOM."

NO "nobody tells ME what to do."

NO "it's MY choice."

NO "my body my choice." NOT this time or with this issue. WRONG "cause" and WRONG-as-shit application.


If you work or otherwise interface with other people in ANY capacity, it's one OR the other. You get vaccinated and to hell with whatever you think is your freedom-freedom, or you try to hijack the pro-choice movement's "my body my choice" schtick. This is DIFFERENT, and goes WAY beyond the scope of your own personal physical inside or outside.

And if you seriously and/or sincerely claim to be "pro-life," then you better be first in line to proclaim this loudly and clearly to everybody you come into contact with, and accept NO substitutes. Because THIS is REALLY a life-or-death issue at its most basic.


I hate to be a hard-ass about this. But that's what it's come to. Is you IS or is you AIN'T? It shouldn't be an issue but unfortunately, the pigheaded among us force it to be exactly that.

[iluvtennis]

34. Excellent. There should be consequences for not doing your utmost to ensure public safety

during this pandemic.

[Jose Garcia]

36. People sure are eager to believe things that they wish were true

[Tree Lady]

38. My daughters boss wants to do that at her car dealership

In CA but he is afraid of getting sued and all the money for lawyers. She said when FDA approves it he will then. They have 300 employees.

[fescuerescue]

42. Getting fired for a medical condition

A bunch of lawyers are going to make alot on money on this.

they can probably fire for not getting vaccinated, but fired for getting sick is going to be a legal minefield.

[Diraven]

45. I hear a lot of insurance is adding an exclusion

For unvaccinated COVID care now, because it so expensive and basically 100% preventable. I also don't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if the big company provided insurance plans have started doing that with notices and waivers and such to protect themselves legally.

[sarisataka]

53. I have heard lots of things

Some of them are even true.

It is practically impossible for an insurance company to unilaterally add an exclusion to a policy midterm. And I only say practically because there may be an exception I am unaware of.

[AllaN01Bear]

48. eggscllent . too bad this is not corperate wide .

[twodogsbarking]

51. You can believe everything you read on DU.

[sarisataka]

54. Twitter is a reliable source

Isn't it?

[Bengus81]

52. FIRE their asses NOW if they refuse to get a shot. Who cares then if they catch Covid

If they don't like that work place restriction then too damn bad. Go talk to a lawyer about being fired and watch him/her laugh you out of their office.

[Hassler]

55. A free market solution. Insurance companies will start

Canceling people who get COVID.

[Celerity]

59. Please self-delete, this is fake news

Link to tweet

[sarisataka]

63. A lot of people

Certainly wish it was true...

[Celerity]

66. A lot of people want a lot of things that turn out to based on disinformation.

I see it everyday.

[madville]

71. Look how many in this thread will be disappointed

That a large nationwide employer didn’t actually start firing unvaccinated folks that contract Covid. No employer should have that much power over their employees in regard to their medical decisions and use of their earned sick leave.

[Luciferous]

64. This is fake, Lowes debunked it.

[SoonerPride]

69. This is fake news and should be deleted

[IronLionZion]

70. Disappointing to see so many DUers fall for this BS nt