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robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 02:39 PM Aug 2021

Remember what happened 20 years ago today? We shouldn't forget.

Transcript: Bin Laden determined to strike in US

The following is a transcript of the August 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing entitled Bin Laden determined to strike in US. Parts of the original document were not made public by the White House for security reasons.

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After U.S. missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, bin Laden told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a -- -- service.

snip

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/


Bush knew what was coming down 20 years ago today and, much like Trump with COVID-19, sat on his ass and let hell rain down on the country he was supposed to be protecting.
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Remember what happened 20 years ago today? We shouldn't forget. (Original Post) robertpaulsen Aug 2021 OP
Another fucking republican asshole I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2021 #1
Correct - we should NOT forget! MyOwnPeace Aug 2021 #2
Well, and tat's being kind. soldierant Aug 2021 #18
In other words republicon presidents mikeysnot Aug 2021 #3
Exact. Justice matters. Aug 2021 #12
Have Bush/Cheney been charged with war crimes yet? leftstreet Aug 2021 #4
I've always been a LIHOP believer... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #5
+1 rampartc Aug 2021 #11
Forgot about that acronym: Let It Happen On Purpose erronis Aug 2021 #23
Well, we know Bush basically blew off the Aug 6 memo... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #31
I could see that electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #36
Sorry... 9/11 and covid are two different orders of magnitude different... Ohio Joe Aug 2021 #6
I'll admit it's an apples/oranges comparison robertpaulsen Aug 2021 #19
I don't downplay it at all... Ohio Joe Aug 2021 #32
Ah, but there was much brush to clear in Texas. SergeStorms Aug 2021 #7
LIHOP - nuff said MoonRiver Aug 2021 #8
Ashcroft switched to chartered/lease jets in July 2001 Roland99 Aug 2021 #9
yeah but Obama wore a tan suit... that's the real tragedy Takket Aug 2021 #10
"And we pause....... MyOwnPeace Aug 2021 #26
They were too busy fulfilling their mountain grammy Aug 2021 #13
Persecuting Martha and Tommy. rickyhall Aug 2021 #16
Let us remember. .. . chimpy never read the daily briefs. niyad Aug 2021 #14
Yes, IMO Chimpy negligently let it happen treestar Aug 2021 #28
I think it is much more complex. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #15
The Republican "leadership" failed tragically Champp Aug 2021 #17
Homeland that bloated tic of an agency was created Pas-de-Calais Aug 2021 #20
And yet, American stupidly gave him a second term Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #21
Because "he kept us safe" Cosmocat Aug 2021 #25
Sadly so. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #29
Kicking thread n/t inanna Aug 2021 #22
Or maybe he didn't really know. just everybody else in the intel community did. msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #24
You state things that are contrary to what has been crammed twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #27
... Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #30
It was a PRESIDENTIAL Daily Briefing n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2021 #33
I remember that. msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #34
And now DHS is warning of violence related to Shit For Brains' reinstatement conspiracy. Initech Aug 2021 #35
K&R MustLoveBeagles Aug 2021 #37
More than anything else NewsCenter28 Aug 2021 #38

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
1. Another fucking republican asshole
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 02:58 PM
Aug 2021

Incapable, rich, entitled stupid, sociopathic ex- president. Like his daddy was.

soldierant

(6,857 posts)
18. Well, and tat's being kind.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:52 PM
Aug 2021

I never put it past a Republican to deliberately set up chaos and harm to Americans in order to have a talking point to push some harmful measure or other which will only make things worse.

And that isn't incompetence. It is malice.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
12. Exact.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:16 PM
Aug 2021
US casualties after Bush LIED: 7,000 (approx.)

US casualties after the orange terrorist LIED: 615,000 (approx.)



erronis

(15,241 posts)
23. Forgot about that acronym: Let It Happen On Purpose
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:25 PM
Aug 2021

Relegated by wikipedia to "conspiracy theories"
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LIHOP&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

There are many conspiracy theories that attribute the planning and execution of the September 11 attacks against the United States to parties other than, or in addition to, al-Qaeda,[1] including that there was advance knowledge of the attacks among high-level government officials. Government investigations and independent reviews have rejected these theories.[2][3] Proponents of these theories assert that there are inconsistencies in the commonly accepted version, or that there exists evidence that was ignored, concealed, or overlooked.[4]

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
31. Well, we know Bush basically blew off the Aug 6 memo...
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 06:36 PM
Aug 2021

There were other red flags flying that summer that didn't get acted on. I always figured that the "shock" Bush was showing when he heard about 9/11 was not that something happened, but about how bad it was. They expected a simple bombing or hijacking, not a sophisticated plot aimed at several targets of economic and political significance involving multiple aircraft in near simultaneous attacks.

They made the classic mistake of underestimating our enemies and the US paid for it.

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
6. Sorry... 9/11 and covid are two different orders of magnitude different...
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 03:13 PM
Aug 2021

Bush was/is an idiot in a lot of ways (so... so many ways) but I don't think he intentionally tried to kill Americans. From your link, the end of the PDB:

"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives."

Bush did not stop the investigations, publicly denounce them, brag about his love letters with Bin Laden or any of the other insane, traitorous and murderous things TFG did... Not even close.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
19. I'll admit it's an apples/oranges comparison
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:52 PM
Aug 2021

But I'll respectfully disagree about the magnitude. What Bush and Cheney did was criminally negligent and that they faced no consequences emboldened Republicans to take things to the next level, hence Drumpf. They used their criminal negligence on 9/11 to exploit a scared populace into supporting an unnecessary war based on false pretexts that killed thousands more Americans than died on 9/11 and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. I'll grant you Cheeto Mussolini has a higher body count, but I hope we can agree not to downplay Bush/Cheney - their sociopathy paved the way for the sickness we see in our body politic today.

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
32. I don't downplay it at all...
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 06:56 PM
Aug 2021

Your OP though reads as though you are saying he intentionally let 9/11 happen:

"Bush knew what was coming down 20 years ago today and, much like Trump with COVID-19, sat on his ass and let hell rain down on the country he was supposed to be protecting."

I do not agree at all and I don't think the PDB proves it. And every time I see it used as supposed proof of letting it happen, the end is always conveniently left out. Lets deal with what is and not what we want things to be. I do not downplay anything... I try not to overplay either.

I would also disagree with this statement:

" their sociopathy paved the way for the sickness we see in our body politic today."

I myself place them as a cog in the march to where we are today. It was Reagan who paved the way IMO.

SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
7. Ah, but there was much brush to clear in Texas.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 03:27 PM
Aug 2021

"Now watch this drive".

Baby Bush had much more important things on his mind.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
9. Ashcroft switched to chartered/lease jets in July 2001
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 03:44 PM
Aug 2021
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
26. "And we pause.......
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:34 PM
Aug 2021

for a REALITY CHECK - "HOW in the hell can we let them GET AWAY WITH THIS SHIT!?!"

(we now return to our regular "but they all do it" bullshit.........)

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
13. They were too busy fulfilling their
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:24 PM
Aug 2021

Conservative wish list to pay attention. Now watch this drive. Fucking republicans

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. Yes, IMO Chimpy negligently let it happen
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:51 PM
Aug 2021

then Cheney, et al, used it to further their anti-American agenda of war, torture, imprisonment without due process and invasive searches. The Patriot Act and the second part (that they did not get passed, at least).

Pas-de-Calais

(9,904 posts)
20. Homeland that bloated tic of an agency was created
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 04:53 PM
Aug 2021

From the whole terrible spectacle. Too many stove pipe information stacks preventing sharing of information.
Too big to move, to decide a course of action
Another GOP behemoth sucking down tax money

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
25. Because "he kept us safe"
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:31 PM
Aug 2021

That's what he ran on.

This country cant stop gusling down right wing gas lighting.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
24. Or maybe he didn't really know. just everybody else in the intel community did.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:30 PM
Aug 2021

I was with the Bush Knew and "let it happen anyway" for years, but it has occurred to me, that maybe he really didn't know after all.

Condi knew. Dick Cheney knew. George Tenet knew. Rumsfeld knew. Probably Andrew Card and Scotter Libby knew too.

The problem is people in position to know, knew.

And there hasn't been any accountability and never will be. At least not in our Justice System.


twodogsbarking

(9,739 posts)
27. You state things that are contrary to what has been crammed
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 05:46 PM
Aug 2021

down our throats and up our collective asses for decades.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
30. ...
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021

The CIA warned the US president, George Bush, weeks before September 11 that al-Qaida terrorists might hijack US aeroplanes, the White House admitted yesterday.

Mr Bush is believed to have received the warning in August last year as part of his regular intelligence briefing while on vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas. The president was not warned that the planes might be used as missiles to destroy buildings, his official spokesperson said.

"There has been longstanding speculation, shared with the president, about the potential of hijackings in the traditional sense," the White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, said yesterday. "We had general threats involving Osama bin Laden around the world and including in the United States." He said the administration, acting on the information received in early August, notified the "appropriate agencies" that hijackings "in the traditional sense" were possible. The warning was never made public, he said.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
34. I remember that.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:58 PM
Aug 2021

Just the same, it is possible he didn't effin know what it said or meant.

We didn't call him Pres. Dumbya for no reason.

That dude was really stupid. He was protected by all the people who knew exactly what the hell was going on and what the memo said and meant.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
38. More than anything else
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 02:59 AM
Aug 2021

That day contributed to the downfall of America we are seeing, today. Would that it did not.

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