Listening to Cuomo's lawyer on CNN.

[madaboutharry]

In the legal profession the letter e in email stands for evidence. This email chain is evidence that challenges the narrative outlined by one of Cuomo’s accusers.

This is why we have a judicial system where people have a right to defend themselves.

Cuomo may very well be guilty of harassment, but there is evidence we have yet to hear.

[Boydog]

1. It seems really easy to demand an end to Cuomo

With this murky garbage being tossed up against the wall. However, we witnessed a president incite an insurrection on national television and right now his greatest worry is when his daily tee time is.
I really believe Cuomo is being framed with his professional credibility in danger but this is another day of freedom for the real criminal, Donald Trump.

[iemanja]

3. One has no relation to the other

Except that the defenders insist those who have been showed to be guilty by an extensive investigation should face no consequences. Such excuses are a transparent canard. They reveal more about the people making them than Cuomo.

[Boydog]

25. I'm not trying to make a connection.

I’m just attempting to make the point that it’s shameful to dig in to remove a governor, who just happens to have been a presidential
contender, when a former president incited an insurrection in real time on TV and has not been charged. Not to mention his involvement in fraud, and attempts to illegally influence election officials. This juxtaposition is telling, to say the least. I want to hear Cuomo’s defense, I want to know more about those who accuse him after having been scorned. I want to know why no one charged him before now. After all, predators don’t just wake up that way. This behavior develops over a life time. Plus, why are you so confident that the investigation is legiimate. Was it an investigation with a desired result already in mind?

[iemanja]

38. What is shameful

Is making excuses for a sexual predator.

[Blue_true]

44. I can't believe some of the defense I am hearing for Cuomo.

Much of it attempts to cast aspersions on one or two of his accusers. Yet there is something like 13 accusers and some of the patterns of his conduct were repetitive woman to woman.

I can see a guy who is accused by one or two women mounting a defense, some women do lie about sexual harassment and even rape. But if both women are saying the exact same thing about the guy and the women have no connection to each other, then that is a lot of smoke against the guy and there has to be fire somewhere, IMO.

[Kaleva]

4. Could you articulate why Biden, Pelosi, et al. could be so wrong about Cuomo?

[Treefrog]

8. Thank you.

[madaboutharry]

17. Al Franken was never given a chance to defend himself by these same people.

That should serve as a lesson. It may very well be that Cuomo is guilty of all the things he is accused of or some of the things he is accused of. I'm willing to hear what everyone has to say.

[Kaleva]

30. What did Biden and Pelosi say about Al Franken?

And I don't think Lt. Gov Hochul ever said anything like the below about Sen. Franken:

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

48. You have heard...

AG James rolled out the detailed analysis of the charges against him. Gov Cuomo responded by saying people just didn’t understand his behavior.

[Calista241]

53. One of the problems is that AG James has told people she's going to run against Cuomo.

She's not a disinterested party, certainly not on the personal level.

That being said, Cuomo is a creep that needs to go; but I'm sick of all this intra-party competitiveness preventing real stuff from being done.

[brooklynite]

54. Name the people's she's told...

The Cuomo team has certainly suggested it, but I've seen no actual evidence.

She may very well choose to run in an open contest, but accusing the Attorney General of what amounts to political corruption is uncalled for.

[iemanja]

2. The investigation proved he is guilty

There is no "if" about it. I'm sickened by the defense of a sexual predator.

[wave_maker]

5. Plenty of Cuomo bashing threads

Go find one of those and join the chorus…

This is typical Right wing thuggery, destroying another strong and could be President, Democratic leader: Gary Hart, John Edwards, etc

[Treefrog]

7. John Edwards?

[wave_maker]

16. Reminded folks at the time of John Kennedy

Big threat to The Powers that Be

[Treefrog]

52. He got himself into that mess. I liked him initially, but he was too slick by far.

Completely without a moral compass. The other party had nothing to do with that sordid affair.

Takes more than good looks to make a JFK.

[CrackityJones75]

65. and yet... JFK had an affair right?

[Boydog]

10. Spot on. Great post. Plus Bill Clinton.

[Kaleva]

11. Where in your 165 page report does it say this is RW thuggery?

[wave_maker]

15. That's the problem

It is not being talked about…

Even Joe Biden was ‘accused’ of inappropriate touching, hello…

[Kaleva]

32. The difference being

That the accusations against Biden are being pushed by Magahats. The investigation against Cuomo was conducted by a Dem AG who has TFG in her crosshairs.

[Cetacea]

62. Trump was a NY Dem

Politics can be dirty. Some of us have seen it up close.

[Polybius]

46. You forgot Anthony Weiner

[BootinUp]

59. bwah

[madaboutharry]

6. I'm certainly not defending him.

I am pointing out some issues with the investigation.
I am also pointing out that people have the right to a defense.

He may very well be a terrible person and guilty of sexual harassment.

I feel the need to dial back some comments I made in other threads. I want to hear all the evidence before I condemn him.

[brooklynite]

49. Gov Cuomo ASKED for AG James to investigate him...

His staff and the accusers were interviewed for the report.

He got what he asked for. His excuses haven’t convinced anyone.

[Cetacea]

63. He also asked for the transcripts and the emails, which have not been turned over

(according to his attorneys) Not a good look.

[Boydog]

9. We shall see.

[iemanja]

39. We have already seen

through an extensive investigation that his defenders called for. Now that it is in, they make more excuses. The excuses tell us far more about those who make them than Cuomo.

[treestar]

19. the justice system does not work like that

innocent until proven guilty, and the court or jury will decide.

[iemanja]

37. If it goes to court

While they are exploring criminal charges, most of the offenses are workplace infractions.

[Mr.Bill]

41. An investigation proves guilt?

In what country?

[brooklynite]

12. Nobody is arguing that Cuomo doesn't deserve a criminal justice defense...

...but at the moment, he's facing a political Impeachment.

In his speech, he didn't deny the charges, he just said people should interpret them differently.

He has until next Friday to submit additional material, but I can't imagine what he can come up with.

[ShazamIam]

18. I would say calling for immediate resignation is a demand for no judicial process.

[brooklynite]

24. No, it's ultimately his choice.

I assume you didn't object that Donald Trump was Impeached twice with no criminal trial occurring first?

[wave_maker]

26. Uhhhh, please do not bring up a Trumpian comparison

For real, Brooklynite???

[brooklynite]

27. Why not?

They've both been accused of improprieties.

They've both been investigated.

They both deserved a political resolution of their current office.

[ShazamIam]

31. What about calling for immediate resignation includes a right to judicial process.

Why move the topic to the turnip?

[Mr.Bill]

43. In an impeachment the trial

comes after the impeachment in the Senate. It was, of course rigged at that point.

[Kaleva]

14. As it appears he'll be impeached, he'll be able to defend himself there.

There's also the possibility he'll be criminally charged so he'll also have his day in a court of law.

[Mr.Bill]

45. If he resigned that would be the last

we ever heard about the allegations. Just like Al Franken.

Even those who think he is guilty of a crime should welcome criminal charges and a trial. I could be wrong, but if he resigns, there will be no charges or trial.

[Kaleva]

64. A woman has already filed a criminal complaint. That won't go away if he resigns.

[Mr.Bill]

66. It very well could go away.

It's up to the DA it was filed with.

[treestar]

20. True, too many can't let the justice systems

decide before demanding punishments.

[brooklynite]

28. So, sexual harassment and possibly sexual assault is okay as long as his policy decisions were good?

We have plenty of public officials who are able to implement good policies without violating the rights of others.

[OilemFirchen]

29. LOL

"Don’t put words in my mouth..."

"Okay. Thanks. I will."

[brooklynite]

51. In which case, what relevance is "he's done a good job"?

[Polybius]

47. I beg to differ

NY had the highest number in the country in Spring of 2020. I always thought he got way too much credit.

[Lovie777]

21. He has been told by his lawyers, friends, family, etc. . . .

of the damaging allegations against him and if he chooses to fight it will be a publicly open. At this point in time he has chosen to fight it. He has that right. At this time, he has chosen not to resign.

[Meowmee]

22. The investigation appears to have had some serious issues

In his lawyer’s statement the testimony of 2 accusers has been brought into question. One apparently said she left the mansion directly after the alleged incident but emails and communications with others inside the mansion proved that she stayed for quite a while. None of this evidence was searched for by the ag apparently. If the testimony was given under oath, lying about that is a crime. It would also not hold up in a court I believe.

As I said in another post an investigation is not a court. The ag is apparently going to run for governor now. She has it seems run a far less than perfect investigation at the least and she has a conflict of interest as well.

[Earth-shine]

23. I blame it on Ellen. Anyone remember this bit of silliness?

Apparently, the term "Cuomo-sexual" went to his head.

[Polybius]

50. I never could understand how

He's not a handsome man.

[Sogo]

57. Who's the dude in the window behind Ellen?

I couldn't read what his T-shirt says; the letters are too small....

[Polybius]

67. It says Aprs Montage

If you click where it says YouTube, it will go to the YouTube site where you can expand it.

[tonedevil]

40. Is like listening to John Gotti's lawyer. /nt

[ripcord]

42. Trump broke people

We now have liberals choosing political expediency over supporting women harassed in the workplace. I wonder how many would tell these women to their faces that although they are sorry they were harassed they believe their harasser is just more important.

[madville]

58. Never got the love some have for this guy

He’s always seemed like an arrogant narcissist, just like Trump, literally cut from the same cloth.

[madaboutharry]

60. I think he is arrogant.

That’s why he doesn’t have any friends.

So different than his father.

[Azathoth]

61. Independent investigators appointed by his own AG have effectively indicted him

At this point, any calls for more evidence are Republican-style attempts to move the goalposts and make "guilty beyond any reasonable doubt" the new bare minimum threshold for opening any discussion of leaving office.

Cuomo's entitled to try and create a reasonable doubt in jurors' minds during a criminal trial. That doesn't mean he's entitled to hold elected office and drag the NY Democratic party into a pit.