Another anti vaxer dies -- this one a fitness enthusiast

[CatWoman]

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[canetoad]

1. So idiotically

Uneccessary. Nothing more to say.

[COL Mustard]

18. MTG Is A Fitness Fanatic

I’m just saying……..

[jimfields33]

28. In the artical his sister said he had asthma

I’d think that is even more reason for the vaccine. Just because he could rock climb doesn’t mean the asthma didn’t affect him.

[SunSeeker]

2. Someone please tell that to Bill Maher. nt

[SergeStorms]

3. All the anti-vaxxers think....

they can kick delta's ass. Delta spreads much faster, and it's been reported that it delivers up to 1000X the viral load of the original alpha strain.

This guy might have stood a chance against alpha, but delta isn't fucking around. It will get you, no matter how fit you are, if you're not vaccinated.

[Celerity]

20. Alpha is the Kent (UK) variant, not the 19A/19B Wuhan origin strains

Delta produces around 1,000 to almost 1,300 times the nasal/upper respiratory viral load than the Wuhan origin strains did.

https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. I'm 72 years old.

I'm pretty much the healthiest person I know. Rarely get sick. Haven't had flu since about 1974, don't get flu shots.

But I did get the Covid vaccine as soon as I could. I mask much of the time. Don't go out a lot.

Still amazingly healthy, and this is including a serious heart attack last December. Honestly, the heart attack was absolutely not related to Covid. Just my specific risk factors.

I know that we all die eventually, and even though I have plans to live to at least 97, because of a solar eclipse I want to see in August, 2045, I am trying to be cool about this. Deep breath.

[USALiberal]

5. So why are you scared of the flu shot? Weird. Nt

[Hekate]

7. Maybe, like my BIL & SIL, they've never caught flu at all & thus never had complications from flu...

I also eschewed the flu vax — I only ever got flu about once every 7 years, which I thought was pretty good odds. Then my luck ran out and I got a chest infection that turned into pneumonia. Ever since then, I get the flu jab every year.

I do wish that my in-laws would do like Poindexter and make an exception for the COVID vax.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. I am not scared of the flu shot.

It's just that, given my personal history, I don't think it's necessary for me.

I got the Asian flu in 1957. It was a type A flu, the most virulent and deadly, as in that was the kind of flu that caused the 1918 influenza pandemic. At the time (1918) it was noticed that hardly anyone over the age of 50 or so got that flu. That was because some 50 years earlier a similar type A flu was out there, and people either got it and died or survived, and so 50 years later were immune. People don't fully understand how immunity works. I got the most deadly type of flu as a child and survived. Hooray for me. I got other, less deadly flu several times later and also survived. Notice I haven't gotten flu in something close to 50 years. I trust my immune system. I really do. If you choose/prefer to get the flu shots, good for you. Go for it. But your immunity is shorter lived.

Oh, and this is really, really important. Getting a flu shot every single year is NOT the best strategy. Every other year is better. Look it up.

[wnylib]

23. Another Asisn flu survivor. I had it in 1958 when it

returned in a second wave. Severe case, with a temp of 105.6, breathlessness, and hallucinations. I was 8 years old.

I can't get flu shots due to an allergy.

[marybourg]

29. I have such good immunity that I

didn't get the Asian flu, although I rode an overcrowded NYC bus to an overcrowded NYC high school every day..Never got any flu. Don't get a flu shot. But I got the NOVEL Corona virus shot the first moment i could. At 2 A.M on a balmy PHX night.

[wnylib]

33. I have always been vulnerable

to viruses, which is one reason why I am so wary about covid. I got my shots in March and April. I wear a mask everywhere.

[USALiberal]

30. I did "look it up" and found nothing. Your post made no sense! Nt

[CatWoman]

8. i'm 65 and for the longest time would always catch end of season colds in the fall

nasty, prolonged colds.

I started taking annual flu shots about 10 years ago, and no longer get them (the colds).

[OnDoutside]

10. Funnily enough, this was the first year I ever got the flu shot. My

doc thought it prudent while we were waiting for the vaccine program to get to me. He also prescribed a vial of vitamin D once a month, which I am still taking.

[marybourg]

6. They don't seem to get the point of the word "novel" in the description

of the virus. It means our immune systems have never seen it before, and therefore are very unlikely to be able to fight it, no matter how many mountains we have climbed. That’s the function of the vaccine. To make the virus no longer “novel”. So we CAN fight it when our immune systems see it for the first time. What dopes!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. Novel is the important word.

Which is why, who never ever gets a flu shot, got the Covid 19 vaccine as soon as I could.

Lucky me, I got the J&J one and done which seems to be the best of the three available.

[Spider Jerusalem]

13. Johnson & Johnson's single-dose vaccine performs worse against every strain than Pfizer or Moderna

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

[smirkymonkey]

14. Actually there was just a post on here by someone else that stated the opposite re: the J&J vax and

the Delta strain. I forgot who posted it but there was a link posting to a South African study that just came out.

[Celerity]

24. You are mistaken. Go look at the actual stats in that OP.

J & J in that giant study (around 500,000 people) only had up to 95/96% (some parts show less, 91%) effectiveness rate against death, and only up to 71% effectiveness against hospitalisation.

Try selling those numbers as acceptable to the US public.

This is the OP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215713125

Juxtapose those rates versus the ludicrous claims (on the other end of the claim spectrum) that Pfizer is 99.924% effective in preventing ANY infection period.

People are all over the place with slants and angles, it is dismaying.

More on that SA study, in terms of death prevention

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-safrica-idAFL8N2P618W

Aug 6 (Reuters) - A South African study has shown the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine offers over 90% protection against death, the joint lead investigator for the country's J&J trial, Glenda Gray, said on Friday.

"We can report that the single jab J&J vaccine protected between 91% to 96.2% of healthcare workers against death," Gray said.

"This was our primary endpoint and we are able to say this vaccine protected health workers against death."

[LisaL]

31. J&J is not the best of the three vaccines available.

It had lower efficacy in clinical trials than the other two.

[agingdem]

9. honestly, I am so tired of

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these vaccine phobic assholes taking up print space ..I really don't care if their last words were "oh shit, I was wrong"... their deaths were self-inflicted..suicide by stupidity...suicide by trump...

[smirkymonkey]

15. I read about him and I think he just thought that because he was in such good shape that even

if he caught the virus, he would easily recover from it. He was kind of a health nut and didn't want to put anything "foreign" in his body.

He was very young and had a lot to live for. It's too bad. His story was published in Men's Health magazine. Maybe it will wake some people up.

[Jon King]

16. However obesity is the biggest risk factor.

There are always outliers. But in the interest of being factual, the vast majority of fit people who contracted Covid had much better outcomes than obese people.

That being said, still makes no sense not to get the vaccine even if fit.

[wnylib]

25. Delta changes the outlook even

for slim, trim, and fit, as the young man in the OP learned, but too late to help him.

[Rhiannon12866]

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[PatrickforB]

19. Both my wife and I are fully vaccinated, BUT when we go to the store now,

we mask.

Better safe than sorry.

[PatrickforB]

21. Another macabre thought...maybe instead of calling it the 'Delta' strain,

they should call it...

THE DARWIN STRAIN.

As in Darwin Awards.

The irony is these are the same rugged individualists that act like they believe in the survival of the fittest - they don't want to be taxed for anything, pay for anything for anybody, or help anybody. Because they think they are so strong!

[wnylib]

26. Like so many people, they completely

misunderstand "survival of the fittest" in evolutionary terms. It simply means that, when circumstances are adverse, only those with behavioral or physical traits to cope with the adversity will survive. The physical traits are often beyond anyone's control, a genetic roll of the dice. You can be very fit and healthy in normal, or usual circumstances, but invisible, unknown mutations in your genetic makeup beyond your control can make you more vulnerable or less vulnerable to new environmental changes.

[The King of Prussia]

22. What a lovely man

Happy to infect others. Happy for them to face death. Happy to use scarce NHS resources. But blubbed when HE was dying. I have zero fucks left to give for these selfish individuals. I also visit Southport often. It'll be safer now.

[multigraincracker]

27. There's also a theory that the virus could be causing what's known as a "cytokine storm" in some you

Another theory is that some patients might have low levels of surfactant, a substance the body produces to help the lungs expand and contract, as a result of the disease. If a patient lacks an adequate amount of surfactant, their lungs will become stiff, which could explain why some patients have trouble breathing even if they're on a ventilator, CNN reports.

There's also a theory that the virus could be causing what's known as a "cytokine storm" in some young patients. The phenomenon, named after cytokine proteins which are part of the immune system, causes the immune system to overreact to an external pathogen, like a virus. The response ultimately could cause a patient's immune system to attack their lungs, causing their lungs to stop delivering oxygen to the rest of their body, and leading to respiratory failure and potentially death.

Other health experts suggest that patients exposed to larger amounts of the new coronavirus could become sicker than others. Alison Sinclair, a virologist at Sussex University, said, "A person with a high viral load has more virus particles than one with a low load. We do not yet know what impact viral load has on the symptoms of a person infected with Covid-19. Whether there is a link between a high viral load and worse outcomes is going to be important to find out."
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/13/covid-young-people

Being too healthy may be very dangerous.

[LisaL]

32. That's what I was thinking. The guy being so healthy probably had a cytokine storm.

NT