Anti-vaxxers shouting and honking outside Orange County Children's Hospital. deplorable people

[IcyPeas]

(I think this is Orange County, California. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Anti-vaxxers are protesting Children’s Hospital Orange County for trying to keep children and hospital staff safe from covid.

These #CovidForever activists are now targeting pediatric hospitals.

Link to tweet

[roamer65]

1. Round them all up and vax them with J&J.

[Ocelot II]

3. Round them all up and get covid-infected people to breathe on them.

[Scottie Mom]

13. Yes....

....and breathe on them for HOURS until it takes!

[roamer65]

15. They're already doing that.

[jeffreyi]

33. Good candidates for the experimental Bleach vaccine.

[Sugarcoated]

45. Haha. Why J & J?

[mercuryblues]

48. Because it is a

1 and done shot.

[GoCubsGo]

2. What the fuck is wrong with these people???

[RKP5637]

7. At this stage it's getting pretty clear they are mentally deranged, probably severely delusional,

likely other things ... such as some paranoia.

[zipplewrath]

17. A case to be made that mental disorders are more common

I've had this discussion with a wide variety of people that have to deal with large populations, especially across social and economic cross sections. But there is a perception that the incidents of mild diagnosible disorders exists in much larger numbers than is realized.

[RKP5637]

18. Yes, I agree. When at the univ. I was told that at least 25%, maybe as high as 35%, of the

population have some mild diagnosible disorders they should really be helped with ... but often that does not happen.

[zipplewrath]

26. MIT

I told an MIT grad with which I worked that 60% of MIT students were on the Spectrum somewhere. He replied jokingly that that was because the other 40% hadn't been evaluate to yet.

[PatSeg]

27. You know, I look at videos of people like this

and wonder, "Don't you have better things to do with your life?" What kind of lives do they lead, that this is what they do with their free time? When I think of all the steps they had to go through in their morning routine to get them out of the house and to a protest in front of a children's hospital, I am amazed. Maybe it is more of a social event, a need to be part of their tribe outside of the Internet, though you'd think sporting events, backyard BBQs, or even Tupperware parties would be more fun.

[RKP5637]

30. Yeah, it seems to function almost as a dark hobby, something to get together and do, for some

it likely gives their life a bizarre meaning to be connected.

[PatSeg]

32. Yes, that's what it looks like to me

In recent years, so many people have done a lot of their socializing on the computer and maybe they were craving in-person contact.

I remember the early days of the Tea Party rallies and events. It dawned on me then that it was more social than political. They'd dress up in their goofy outfits, bringing lawn chairs and coolers. Then they'd hang out with one another like they were going to a picnic or a concert. I noticed the same atmosphere at Trump rallies. Some people go to the beach or Taste of Chicago type events. MAGA folks go to Trump rallies.

[RKP5637]

34. Yes! n/t

[maxsolomon]

41. Some actually are Crisis Actors. They're paid.

https://www.boredpanda.com/anti-maskers-anti-vaxxers-exposed-paid-actors/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

[SoCalDavidS]

4. Yes, This Is My County

By the way, CHOC is an amazing facility, that does tremendous work for children who are sick with horrible illnesses and conditions.

[Skittles]

5. she was right

they are DEPLORABLE

[East-A-Squared]

6. Arrest the bioterrorists.

[RKP5637]

8. The US puts up with far too much bullshit!!! They have really crossed the line

with their crap!

[Initech]

20. Definitely time to start ridding ourselves of these cretins!

Though... mother nature might do it for us!

[Irish_Dem]

9. My daughter works at a large Children's Hospital.

One more thing to worry about now.

I better text her and warn her what to expect.

[RKP5637]

10. These people protesting like this are so demented, it's startling. Hope your daughter

is safe. Good you're alerting her.

[Irish_Dem]

11. It is so crazy. And unfair.

She was taking care of Covid patients and I worried about her, especially before the vaccines were available. She has serious asthma and is at risk. She has been fine however, and just received a promotion to another area of the hospital.

Now she has to worry about GOP nut jobs harassing her as she comes and goes from the hospital. Perhaps her hospital will fare better than the others we are hearing about. Hopefully there will be security for the staff.

She and her colleagues have spent a great deal of time and money on their education in order to spend their lives providing medical care to children. And they have been targets of a lot of crap.

Thanks for the kind words....
Going to text her right now.

[Hortensis]

22. Just looked and this is in California acting out against a state law

requiring vaccination of healthcare workers. Seems to me causing a noise disturbance outside a hospital should be grounds for reviewing fitness for employment all by itself.

In any case, hope your daughter doesn't have this problem anyway.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Thank you for this information.

Hopefully it will not affect her. We live in a conservative midwestern state with a GOP governor, so maybe there will not be a big demonstration at the Children's Hospital.

However the hospital just came out with a Covid vaccine mandate for all employees. And I just read yesterday that our GOP governor was one of the ones targeted by the wing nuts who tried to kidnap Michigan Gov Whitmer. So who knows?

My daughter could not believe all the medical staff at the hospital who refused the covid vaccine. I agree, if you cannot agree to medical standard of care, you don't need to work in a hospital.

At any rate, I texted her right away after I read this story on DU, so she is aware and on the lookout. Thank you for your post.

[Hortensis]

25. Shocking what people will do out of partisan hostility. At our local regional

medical center, only 77% of employed providers are fully vaccinated, 55% of entire staff. That 23% can't be blamed on ignorance or low functioning.

Who could have suspected this? My guess is not even most of that 23% themselves before this.

[Irish_Dem]

28. The number of unvaccinated medical staff is so shocking.

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Yes they studied the scientific method, and the history of vaccines.

Maybe some of them are too young to remember the polio epidemic, or the measles, mumps, whooping cough outbreaks here in the US. They take good health for granted. They have never been really sick.

[Hortensis]

29. I also think being "spoiled" by stability and safety

has to be a big part of it. Also a complete lack of imagination -- in people supposedly motivated by fear, too.

[Irish_Dem]

35. My mother was a nurse during the polio epidemic.

And also before modern day vaccines. She just could not believe parents not getting their children vaccinated.
Right, people today have no idea what it was like before penicillin, before vaccines.

[Hortensis]

36. Scary times. At any point another deadly pathogen could spread

along with Covid, including via the carriers currently determinedly spreading virus in many nations. There are a bunch on the WHO's most-scary priority watch list, plus many others just as dangerous but believed less likely to go pandemic.

I read about a charming cousin of polio that causes swelling of the brain resulting in coma and then death. That was the description, but I imagine that with modern medicine many children and parents would also live to be taken home with permanent brain damage.

[Irish_Dem]

37. Yes I think the virus situation is far from over.

I think we are going to be living with this one and others for some time.

The polio cousin you describe does not sound good. Even with modern medicine, severe and ongoing brain swelling is not easy to treat.
Yes there would most likely be some permanent brain trauma.

I wonder if people in the badly affected southern states right now are learning any lessons?
Or if they are still in denial.

[Hortensis]

39. I wonder about that last also, Irish. In any area it seems that

for some only being affected personally can break through their preconceptions, notions implanted unexamined. But the south is...itself. Surely reports that more children and young people are becoming ill and more seriously would scare people, but maybe it's too soon for that to get through a year and a half of hardened tribal denial.

[Irish_Dem]

42. Yes, will reality begin to break through their tribal denial/delusions?

Even when some of them or their loved ones are dying, they are angry at the doctors for even using the word Covid. Some people are angry and want the Covid dx removed from death certificates. Nothing sways them.

But as the deaths and hospitalizations mount, surely some will begin to question these tribal false beliefs?
And yes, especially as the death/serous illness rates of their children increase, that must begin to scare them, especially mothers. And that fear may begin to cause some to re-think their belief systems.

But as you say, the south is...itself. Perhaps the delusions will not budge at all. To accept reality would mean they have to question a carefully crafted generational belief system. Question every thing they have ever learned about themselves, their friends and family, religion, society, everything.

[Hortensis]

43. I'm sure many will get vaccinated, they're not all

intractable nuts who genuinely believe their excuses. I believe partisan unity and antagonism is the primary motivator for most. But what percentages will and how soon?

Every day the media show angry people thrown on the defensive acting out outrageously. I was thinking that that defensive attitude, as everyone starts blaming them for continuation of the pandemic, has to be spreading among "normal" loyalists.

[Irish_Dem]

44. Yes, that is the big question. What percentage will wake up and how soon?

I agree, I think some will see reality and finally protect themselves and their children.

Some will never face reality. They would rather die than accept the truth. Because to accept the truth about Covid means they have to question other tribal beliefs, like their worship of Trump, racism, white supremacy. Their history, family, friends, etc. And they just cannot go there. They would literally rather die that face all of it.

[Hortensis]

46. Yes. Guessing defensive reactions may delay, but how long?

Lol, I think you grossly underestimate those who will never face reality. though. Not that some aren't literally dying, so that part's true for those. But of course they could change to accept limited vaccination without it affecting the rest of their depraved construction. That needs some new tweaking to shore it up anyway.

[Irish_Dem]

47. This is what is clinically interesting.

How many will actually change their views? And yes as you say, some may find a way to surgically slice out the covid/mask belief system and retain all the rest of their toxic beliefs.

But how in their minds do they accept the truth about Covid but still hang onto their other destructive beliefs? Yes you are right, they would have to tweak things for sure. Make up a new belief system that Trump was pro mask and handled Covid perfectly all along.

This would be a good research topic. Attention any psychology, political science, sociology, public health doctoral students, there is a lot of good material waiting out there for you!

[Hortensis]

50. :) I've often thought this whole era is a gift to the social and

other sciences, and many other disciplines. What a fascinating time.

No new belief system needed. Reasoning reportedly tends to be circular, input massaged as needed to fit into the big narrative in ways that always prove it further; thus, Covid being dangerous after all will be turned into further reassurance that, somehow, they were right to believe it wasn't until then.

I have read that RW authoritarian types, and no doubt others, are able to hold completely conflicting beliefs as true at the same time. They accept what authorities tell them without examination, and their heads are stuffed with a lifetime's jumble of "information" stored as truth without checking it against what's already there. But not a problem.

I've tried to imagine it.

[Irish_Dem]

51. Yes

I have thought the same thing. So many significant academic and clinical research topics in recent times.

Cognitive dissonance theory states that most people become anxious and uncomfortable when exposed to two opposing pieces of information. So they develop various strategies to decrease their discomfort by explaining things away or rejecting some of the information as false. RW authoritarian types must have neural pathways which have turned into spaghetti trying to come up with ways to make it all fit. Or as you say, just store it all in separate compartments and never connect any dots....

Hi Back Hortensis, thanks for the discussion!

[Hortensis]

52. Yes, fun. Hubbie's doing fudge sundaes now.

Mine gets extra nuts and whipped cream.

[Irish_Dem]

53. Yum yum!

Enjoy!

[Scottie Mom]

12. And I thought the Orange County John Birchers were complete nut jobs when I saw them in the 1960s.

These Covid protestors take the F/N cake!

Protesting against the treatment of sick children???? WTF??????

[Initech]

21. This is totally crossing a line!

Just... I cannot fathom the stupidity of these people. I'd say what I feel should happen to them, but there are no words to accurately describe it.

[OilemFirchen]

14. I'm so old, I remember these:

Kids in the hospital are already traumatized. What kind of sick sadist thinks this is a good idea?

[luckone]

16. Say it ! +these poor parents of sick kids have to hear this crap while entering and leaving the area

Soulless

[Initech]

19. I won't say what I feel should happen to these assholes...

But I will tell them to get the hell out of my county! You're not welcome here!

[Johonny]

23. LOL. They're literally shitting on Trump's legacy.

The guy they voted for and will again in 2024 is vaccinated and brag countless times about making these vaccines happen.

What's their beef?

[Owl]

49. TFG is vaccinated yet his lemmings protest. Weird.

[CrackityJones75]

31. Huh...

I had asparagus for lunch and I have a super soaker.


Drive by.

[rogue emissary]

38. #CovidForever Is exactly what they are and what the Vax'ed need to call them.

[highplainsdem]

40. KTLA story says those are HEALTH CARE WORKERS (!) protesting the vaccine mandate

for their profession.

Insane.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/our-body-our-choice-healthcare-workers-rally-against-californias-vaccine-mandate/