Does anyone else find it curious?

[Ligyron]

That the Democratic governors of 2 states with huge populations are under attack?

[TreasonousBastard]

1. So are the Republican governors of two large states. Sometimes...

a coincidence is just a coincidence-- these are muddled times.

[SoonerPride]

3. But the two D governors will lose their jobs.

1 down.
1 to go.

[TreasonousBastard]

6. We'll see. Life is not necessarily fair, and sometimes takes forever to...

get it right.

[shanti]

8. How do you figure?

It's not a given that Newsome will lose his job.

[SoonerPride]

9. Democrats are not going to vote.

Not enough of them will be compelled to vote in the recall.

I predict Gavin will be ousted by apathy.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

17. Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine

As to Cuomo, maybe he shouldn't have been playing grabass with his staff.

[SoonerPride]

22. I'm not saying Cuomo was innocent.

I am just saying expect our two D governors of the two largest states to be out of a job.

The Republican governors will still be there no matter how many people they kill.

I'm sorry if that makes me a Debbie Downer.

It is what it is.

[Celerity]

33. NY is only the 4th largest state by population

[SoonerPride]

36. Yeah no kidding? The two Democratic controlled states

Cal and NY will lose their governors.

The two largest Republican states will not.

That is all.

[Celerity]

37. I am far less pessimistic about CA than you are. nt

[Hekate]

56. To hear certain DUers tell it, California Dems sitting out the recall is a done deal...

First, It’s not over till it’s over
Second, it’s a fair bet most of them are not Californians

[Caliman73]

64. Agreed.

It isn't over by a long shot. Republicans are counting on apathy, but I think they will be shocked. Especially with more vote by mail, there isn't really a big excuse to not vote.

I think Newsom will be fine. He does need to get a bit of humility from this though. He is smart and has good ideas, but he gets a little full of himself at times.

[Nictuku]

35. We can vote by mail in California

They are mailing ballots to registered voters before the election in September. If you are a registered voter in California, you can check your registration status here:

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status

I don't feel like this is a done deal, with the Republicans winning by any means.

[Treefrog]

42. "Ousted by apathy."

I hope you’re wrong, but that’s a great expression!

[totodeinhere]

23. Don't be so hasty. You never know but I think that most observers expect Newsom to hold on to his

job.

[brush]

26. Newsom is not going to lose. Larry Elder is no Arnold.

[lostnfound]

51. Yep/ nt

[Bettie]

53. And the two R governors will probably be

re-elected.

Heck, I'm at the point where I believe that a R politician at any level could walk into an event and start shooting people to death and the media would say "Wow, he really took control of that event! Impressive!"

That guy wouldn't be arrested or even censured by his own party, they'd all spend their time on the media praising him and talking about what whiners the Democrats were for saying that shooting people is wrong.

(NO, I am not defending Cuomo's actions, but I'd like to see some action on right wing assholes at some point in the future, though, it seems that it will never happen.)

[Caliman73]

66. There is only one way Democrats can get rid of a Republican governor.

Stacy Abrams showed that it could be done in statewide elections in Georgia, winning two relatively improbable Senate seats.

We have to accept (not condone, or support) that Republicans/Conservatives have little to no moral compass. They have been brainwashed by right wing media to see politics not as the art and science of governing and power, but of a sum zero game that they have to win at all costs. They don't hold their leaders accountable for anything except straying from the current conservative dogma.

Us Democrats, believe that people should govern in the best interests of the most people, and while our leaders are not perfect, we can understand human failings like having a consensual, extra-marital affair. While many would not approve, we understand that it is a personal thing between consenting adults and should not interfere with public policy. Things like abuse of power and sexual harassment (which is abuse of power too) are different and we cannot have our leaders engage in that kind of behavior and remain in power. Republicans are brainwashed. They have lost (if they ever had it strongly to begin with) any sense of what is acceptable in society. We cannot follow them down that road.

The only way we get Democrats into office in Red states is to get out in numbers large enough to send a message.

[Bettie]

67. I know....but it doesn't make it less

frustrating and maddening to know.

The fact is that virtually no one on the other side ever sees any consequences for their actions while one of ours is even suspected to have stepped out of line and they are gone, never to be heard from again.

[Beringia]

70. Thanks for the great posts, very sensible

[OilemFirchen]

5. ... for killing people.

As opposed to one Democrat under attack for trying to keep people alive.

Yeah. I see the equivalence.

[LenaBaby61]

27. "So are the Republican governors of two large states."

Are Abbott & DeathSentence being asked to step down or are they being recalled? DeathSentence can't be recalled, so he'll try his best to keep on killing people, and Abbott is a total disgrace and failure as governor. Yet many in the GQP are crowing about how Cuomo had to step down today. The Irony. But most of them have NO shame. None. Gavin Newsom's being recalled, and for what exactly? Dems really need to tighten that recall measure up so this won't keep happening when the GQP can't win elections fairly, so they try to steal votes/elections. That bogus recall is costing us hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

And for me these are not muddled times, and especially not when you have most in the GQP trying to down play the January 6th, civil insurrection/breach of the capitol where a police was murdered and where others were called the N-word and beaten with hockey sticks, poles etc., and like I said, some of those same treasonous, worthless devils were calling for Cuomo to step down, when their own guy in tRump tried to steal an election and was caught on tape threatening the guy over elections in Georgia. he was asking for God knows who to 'give' his fat ass votes. God.

Also, the GQP's leader played golf and tweeted as over 400,000 plus died from what he called a Dem Hoax Covid-19, yet he and his filthy third lady got vaccinated before they were thrown out of the White House. and he's still out there lying and trying to cause another civil war in this country, and he has many in the GQP's support. They're kissing his ring and fat ass STILL.

I can only speak for me, but there are no such things as coincidences with this GQP party of treason, lies, deceit and I'll add murder onto to it with many of their stances on Covid-19, and especially with what Abbott and especially with what DeathSentence is doing and will continue doing down there in Florida.

[elleng]

2. No, one of them did it all on his own,

the other is a victim of pure politics.

[Ligyron]

10. I'm not saying Cuomo isn't guilty of what he's being accused of.

But he's been governor for how long? I find the timing interesting.

[Rorey]

11. This

A huge difference between us and repukes is that when we find out that one of our own is guilty of misconduct, we don't defend the misconduct. We don't give "mulligans" or attribute it to "locker room" behavior. It has always been so ridiculous that the so-called "religious right" acts so un-Christian-like. Morals are almost completely absent on the right.

[Treefrog]

43. Well, that French Laundry thing was pretty damn stupid.

You’d think these guys would have advisors. Smh.

Not that it’s a reason for recall, but talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[ShazamIam]

4. Makes me wonder if the new NY Gov is a neoliberal like Sinema and Manchin

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. You mean like the Democrats who supported the infrastructure bill?

Odd time to be bashing Democrats...

[ShazamIam]

24. I am specifically referring to the Budget (reconciliation bill) and voting rights legislation.

The infrastructure bill was designed to gain Republican votes and I think both Sinema and Manchin had objected to some of the same things the Republicans had objected to.

[ShazamIam]

57. I mean how they are not supporting the reconciliation budget bill and voting rights bills.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

58. The ones they voted for?

And are negotiating?
Those bills?

[Ohio Joe]

19. Do some research, much is known about her...

She seems like she will be an excellent Gov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Hochul

[ShazamIam]

25. I did, read her background and it does nothing to disuade my worry.

[Ohio Joe]

28. What are you worried she will do?

What exactly in her background has you worried?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

31. Apparently She's a SEEKRIT Republican taking orders from the Turtle! nt

[Ohio Joe]

32. heh, I guess...

I honestly never heard of her until about a week ago but everything I've read sounds good to me.

[ShazamIam]

52. I see others have felt free to speak on my behalf. I am surprised at how willingly the Democratic

once again participated in the cancelling of a leader who just got too popular. She is now a Democratic leader and criticism is not allowed so I will tape my fingers.

[Ohio Joe]

59. Well...

That is not true, criticism is perfectly fine... Opposing Dems for no reason is probably not fine. You said in post #24 (to someone other than me):

"I am specifically referring to the Budget (reconciliation bill) and voting rights legislation."

So I'll assume that is your issue... If you know of something that could shed light on that concern, let us hear it. I know I knew nothing about her until a week or so ago and I suspect many DU'ers also did not... Few follow the undercard in other states and I've not seen anything but praise from NY DU'ers. What I've read so far has not shown me anything to be concerned about in regards to where she stands there but... To put you a bit more at ease, she would not get a vote anyway, Govs will not vote on those bills. She may speak out against them but I think that would doom any reelection chance for her and I bet she would know that.

So... Lets have it friend, what exactly is the problem? What has she said or done?

[ShazamIam]

60. I didn't attack them, and if it is not known it is not because there has been no news of it.

Manchin and Sinema both oppose ending the filibuster, find fault with the voting rights bill and think the reconciliation bill is too big.
I am not criticizing them I am stating what is on the record.
This article also mentions Sinema: https://news.yahoo.com/manchin-apos-serious-concerns-apos-125129364.html

https://ijr.com/manchin-opposes-carve-filibuster-voting-rights-legislation/
https://truthout.org/articles/sinema-slammed-for-opposing-3-5t-bill-we-didnt-elect-sinema-as-president/
https://ijr.com/manchin-opposes-carve-filibuster-voting-rights-legislation/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/us/politics/kyrsten-sinema-katie-hobbs-arizona.html

[Ohio Joe]

61. That is Manchin and Sinema...

We are talking your concern about Gov Hochul... Remember post #4:

"Makes me wonder if the new NY Gov is a neoliberal like Sinema and Manchin"

Do you actually have a concern about her?

[ShazamIam]

69. Yes, and I fear being banned if I express my opinion. I have already had comments removed,

two for stated reasons I was advised were for attacking Democratic politicians.

[Hekate]

65. I recommend a nightly dose of Rachel Maddow, who last night gave a precis of NY governors...

Very colorful men, all. Very much in the spotlight, making national news. Very disgraced, many of them.

The new governor is not colorful. She has spent her career doing her job, and making it a point to visit every county in the state every year.

As someone else pointed out, you could research her record, as opposed to automatically insulting her.

[ShazamIam]

68. No disrespect for Rachel intended but I don't need someone to explain what I see in the

information/disinformation system. I mainly just don't like being told what to think and believe even if I agree with most of it. I don't like television generally and in particular I find all these talking heads on both sides damaging not helpful as they focus on personalities and discord, not policies, issues and agendas.

To me the worst offense of the so called liberal talking heads is the need to repeat over and over particular points during a presentation. It is a matter of time use. I can read faster than they can talk and I can skip what I already know.

[brooklynite]

54. If only there was a way to research the background and voting history of Lt. Gov. Hochul...

...maybe a computer database?

[Bear Creek]

7. Upstaging

How conveniently timed is the Cuomo thing. That is getting more coverage and covering up the more important news about Biden's infrastructure bi partisan bill.

[brooklynite]

14. I see, you think Gov Cuomo was trying to distract attention from the Infrastructure vote?

Odd.....

[AZSkiffyGeek]

29. I can't even with the conspiracy bullshit today...

Not even from suspicious low-post count members, just a lotta doom and gloom because a serial sexual predator got caught and a moderate shepherded a legislative victory.

[Bear Creek]

38. What conspiracy

It happened. Timed right on cue. He was guilty and known about all this time. Trotted out now?

[tritsofme]

50. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

[brooklynite]

12. Does anyone else find it curious?

That someone would equate a Republican political recall movement with documented cases of inappropriate sexual conduct and a detailed investigation by a Democratic Attorney General?

These continued attempts to excuse his behavior are painful to read.

[elleng]

16. Thanks

[Bear Creek]

39. Not looking at this right

So yes guilty and it was known. Brought out now to drown out the good news about Biden's bill. Why not earlier? Maybe a little later. PR stunts are real. At no time was suggested that he should not have been accountable.

[brooklynite]

41. "Brought out now to drown out the good news about Biden's bill."

First you're accusing the DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERAL of complicity?

Second, the AG released her report last week. Cuomo could have resigned then. Are you blaming him?

I associate the other side with desperate conspiracy theories; not my own.

[Bear Creek]

45. Not conspiracy theory

Although Hillary herself has said there are conspiracies. Not desperate it is a tactic used for centuries. Headlines on all the news sites is Cuomo. CNN finally changed it to the infrastructure bill. Just like in the 70s taking the news reporting shows and turning them all into Jerry Springer. People will only see the Cuomo story see the headline and think they know. It’s how propaganda works.

[Ligyron]

47. Maybe I missed something but ...

I've not seen anyone in this thread attempting to excuse his behavior.

However, the resignation of a Democratic governor has certainly knocked the good news concerning our amazing Dems Infrastructure victory right off the front page. The page most folks who are not as engaged as we are will read.

Dems bad wins yet again.

Those darn Republicans sure are awful lucky that way.

[brooklynite]

48. They're lucky because, after accusations from months ago, the Governor chose today to resign?

Awfully lucky indeed...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Not particularly.

[SoCalDavidS]

15. NY Still Has A Democratic Governor

Cuomo was a dead man walking in terms of the 2022 election.

There will now be an incumbent.

[hunter]

20. Oh bother.

Whatever positive qualities Cuomo might have he's still a groper.

What kind of distorted ego makes gropers think everyone welcomes their sexual advances?

[Bear Creek]

40. Missing the point.

Yes he needs to be held accountable no one said he didn't. Being used to cover up a very positive day for democrats with a Jerry Springer sideshow to have a oh look how bad democrats are.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. That Jerry Springer sideshow was brought to you by CUOMO and nobody else.

He knows he did that shit. He knew he was wrong when he did it and he knows he should have stepped aside immediately but NO - his gigantic ego wouldn't allow for him to put his family, the state and the Democratic party first as he should have.

HE'S the one who dragged it out and turned it into a Jerry Springer show. He's the one who didn't care if he made Democrats look bad.

[totodeinhere]

21. I do not. The fact that Cuomo is a Democrat is beside the point. He got what he deserves and I am

not going to defend him. However, of course the recall effort against Newsom is a sham. The voters in California need to reject this Republican plot. But that has nothing to do with what happened to Cuomo. His fall is of his own making.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

30. I like how all these posters are throwing in the towel over a month from the election

What are they doing to increase voter excitement - not a whole fucking lot by saying the race is done already.

[brooklynite]

55. They are neither increasing voter excitement or depressing it...

This is a discussion board. Nothing more.

[Kaleva]

34. Most every Dem gov is under attack to varying degrees.

Hell, a small group was planning and training on kidnapping and executing my governor.

[GoCubsGo]

44. Not at all. I expect nothing less from the GOPer dirtbags.

I see that Tara Reade has crawled out from under her rock, as well.

[MustLoveBeagles]

49. I wish that the Republicans Gov's that are murdering their constituents got even half the coverage

[lagomorph777]

62. I do.

I definitely see a ratfuck. It's part of the bigger plan to eliminate all possibility of majority rule in America.

[Caliman73]

63. No. It is not curious.

Recall elections against California Governors are not unheard of. Gavin Newsome has been effective in getting a solid Democratic agenda in place in California so naturally the people who oppose it are going to abuse the initiative process to go after him. Republicans are not super popular in California electoral politics so they will often have to use the initiative process to try to remain relevant.

To be honest, Newsome has done some things personally (the French Laundry fundraiser) that were really unforced errors.

In regards to New York. No one made Cuomo sexually harass 11 women that we know of. Cuomo has been effective (for the most part) in leadership around COVID-19. However, when there is a pattern of misconduct, your leadership in an area, even a major one like handling COVID-19, is not a reason to continue support.

Republicans will use whatever is at their disposal to remove Democratic politicians from office. The Newsom and Cuomo situation are VERY different from each other. Democratic leaders need to be smart and disciplined because unlike Republicans, who have no real moral or ethical values, we Democrats will police our own. Cuomo brought his situation on himself. He got his due process, unlike Al Franken. Newsom's situation is entirely partisan politics. I expect him to survive, though it is up to Democrats in California to turn out to make sure this farcical recall goes down in flames. I just hope that Newsom learns that while he is fairly popular, he needs to stop being arrogant and believing that he gets to follow a different set of rules than the rest of us.