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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAdvancing Taliban go door-to-door and forcibly take girls as young as TWELVE to be sex slave 'wives'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9883367/Taliban-going-door-door-forcibly-marrying-girls-young-TWELVE.html
Taliban has swept across Afghanistan, seizing vast swathes of territory along with nine provincial capitals
Terrified locals say jihadist fighters have been beheading people and forcing women to marry their fighters
Girls as young as 12 have been put on 'marriage lists' that village elders have been forced to compile
Taliban are now threatening the city of Maza-i-Sharif, the largest in Afghanistan's north, as President Ghani flew there on Wednesday to rally the troops and sacked his top general in hopes of reversing Islamist advance
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The "reformed" Taliban
Sick bastards
No need to respond if you dont want to
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Ohio Joe
(21,769 posts)obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)I just want to sweep them up in my arms and never let them go!!!
Quakerfriend
(5,455 posts)How horrid.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Thats SHEER TERROR.
Those 2 little girls look like any 2 little girls you would in the US.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,455 posts)Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)ripcord
(5,547 posts)Dan
(3,582 posts)They dress them like girls and make them dance then rape them.
But after 20 years it is obvious you can't force freedom on people that don't want it.
Dan
(3,582 posts)I question whether its an issue of them not wanting freedom
Sort of like Slavery, as the saying was Slave young, Slave long. Just dont know any better.
It takes a special someone/ones to break the chains of bondage, and even more to find a Leader/Leaders to lead them out.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Are you serious?
I swear I didnt know that.
I wish I didnt know that now.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Major plot point as a matter of fact.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,455 posts)Sympthsical
(9,127 posts)It's a status thing among the moneyed and powerful. "My boy can dance better than your boy." And, of course, the rape part. Once they're old enough, with facial hair, etc., they're dumped and live in the underbelly of society as dancers and prostitutes. They usually cannot go back to their families because of the honor thing.
When injured, they're not cared for. It's too shameful. They just have "intestinal issues," which is code for, "torn and bleeding internally from all the rape."
American soldiers were literally told to leave it alone:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
KABUL, Afghanistan In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
At night we can hear them screaming, but were not allowed to do anything about it, the Marines father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because its their culture.
Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally boy play, and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.
The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages and doing little when they began abusing children.
Horrible.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Bullshit.
Dan
(3,582 posts)maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)Which Afghanis are OK to let in, Dan?
Dan
(3,582 posts)Having said that - there are definitely going to be some cultural challenges to the ones that are
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They'll become better Americans than the average person born in a Red State I'd bet.
lpbk2713
(42,769 posts)It's going to be hell on earth.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)half true or exaggerated...nothing we can do. Not our mission to save the world, and clearly we can't save Afghanistan from themselves.
calguy
(5,335 posts)The military we spent trillion son and spent 20 years training them.... Too bad they ran away when the Taliban came to town. It was money down the drain.
dalton99a
(81,635 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,351 posts)We cant stay forever, it is tragic but we cant stay forever.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Often, it's simply more convenient to throw up our hands, plead futility, and point fingers.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)because I said this one situation isn't ours to fix nor can we fix it, that must mean I don't ever think we can fix anything at all.
Brilliant.
mn9driver
(4,428 posts)will be proven terribly, terribly wrong. This reminds me of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. There is going to be a lot of innocent death.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)In 2018 alone, 3,800 Afghanistan civilians were killed by US airstrikes.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2020/AirstrikesAfghanistan
mn9driver
(4,428 posts)Thats the way it was in Cambodia. But be well assured, it will be more than 3,800.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The difference is that at least here maybe the US won't have blood on its hands.
It's up to the Afghan people to decide what country they want. We attempted to give them democracy and push back against the Taliban for 20+ years and we clearly didn't make a dent. It's sad but we've done all we can do.
More than 71,000 Afghan citizens have lost their lives during the US invasion. That's more than US troops who died in combat operations in Vietnam.
Either way, it's not our responsibility anymore. It's theirs. It's sad what is happening there but we weren't making much of anything better with our continued occupation.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Would be manageable were it confined to today only and Afghanistan only.
The 'Enlightenment' of humanity as a whole was a good try, but never really took, and seems to have been denied equally... regardless of imaginary red and blue lines on a map.
No need to do anything if you don't want to...
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)What happens when we realize there is a bloodbath and endless 12 yo are sex slaves?
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The Chinese are ruthless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation
Afghanistan is under the Sino-Russian sphere of influence now.
JI7
(89,276 posts)their investment in Pakistan and I mean specifically helping them get the nukes .
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Nearly 4,000 Afghan citizens lost their lives in 2018 to US airstrikes. The country was already on the Tier 3 watchlist by the U.S. State Department's Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons. Tier 3 is the worst tier on the list and are governments who do not comply with the minimum standards outlined in the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.
Only 19 countries are at Tier 3, including the likes of Syria, South Sudan, Russia and North Korea.
So, to answer your question again: it's already happening and has been happening.
Lancero
(3,015 posts)And the Afghan military folded within weeks. And worse so, the average Afgan person. They can't even find the will to try and protect their own children.
It's a sad realization, but you can only help people who want to be helped. And Afghanistan, in spite of all the money we poured into their nation and the training we provided their military, would rather be ruled by a group of religious radicals.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)I refuse to believe that.
Lancero
(3,015 posts)Is tearing a swath right through the entire country.
You might not believe it, but you're the one posting all the proof for it.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)You will die.
But do not die a slave.
And take at least one with you.
ripcord
(5,547 posts)The U.S. has a thing about not interfering with the local culture, this seems to be an over the top example.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)The Taliban should have been wiped out of existence, using any fucking means necessary, a long time ago.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)In fact, youre a lot nicer than I would be.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #39)
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)For in this world they have no choice. They have no voice.
JI7
(89,276 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)seeing the fear in their eyes and the real horror is still to come, heartbreaking. 😢
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)We cant be the worlds police but as Americans we cant just look away.