The Sunrise Movement's Members Of Color Say The Group "Tokenized" And "Used" Them For Years

[George II]

As the youth-led Sunrise Movement helped catapult racial justice to the center of the national conversation on climate change, many of its members of color repeatedly charged over the last three years that they felt “tokenized,” “used,” “ignored,” and “dismissed.”

That's according to a series of internal memos and letters, signed by at least 100 young climate activists and obtained by BuzzFeed News. The activists said they were overworked and underpaid; warned that the group was unable to attract or retain members of color, especially Black ones; bemoaned the lack of diversity among Sunrise leaders; and demanded resources to build up support in communities of color.

“Staff and movement leaders have poured hundreds of hours into trying to convince top leadership to truly live out our slogan to ‘build a multi-racial cross-class movement,’” a group of four longtime Sunrise members wrote in a March 23 letter detailing concerns from members of color. “Top leadership's results are wholly inadequate.”

Since its founding in 2017, Sunrise set out to be different from the rest of the environmental movement, which is predominantly white. A political organization led by a new, diverse generation convinced of climate change’s existential threat, especially to communities of color with lower incomes, the group has unflinchingly called out allies standing in the way of addressing the crisis. But when the escalating calls for change came from within, Sunrise repeatedly failed to live up to its ideals, according to interviews with 18 current and former members.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/sunrise-movement-climate-change-black-activists

(Lots more online)

[JoanofArgh]

1. Not surprising. At all.

[Budi]

2. Sunrise earned this outing. About time

Thanks George ll

Now Buzzfeed can do Momentum Movement as well.
All part of the same trickle down group.

Thanks

[comradebillyboy]

3. I have yet to hear anything good about the

Sunrise Movement. I doubt if I ever will.

[George II]

4. Not many have had much respect for them after their stunt in front of Pelosi's office....

....and that other stunt outside Feinstein's office, when they put up a manipulated video on Twitter.

If they really believe in their cause and it's worthwhile, why do they have to pull stunts or fake displays? It cheapens their story and reduces their credibility.

[MustLoveBeagles]

9. The Feinstein stunt was the the first I'd heard of this group

It made a bad first impression on me. I don't hate the goals they have I just don't like some of the tactics they use.

[betsuni]

18. Children being misinformed, angry, and sent out to protest Democrats.

For publicity. So more young people become cynical and think both sides are the same?

[MustLoveBeagles]

94. They're doing more harm than good

They need a major overhaul of their leadership.

[betsuni]

95. I think young people would be much better off joining genuine environmental groups

rather than be used for political purposes by political organizations like Sunrise. They'd certainly learn more.

[Budi]

5. Organizers offer a perfectly logical response to stem the bleed from Buzzfeed

Don't ask Buzzfeed, just Ask The Organizers to explain.
Ya know, the Organizers Who Tolkenized People of Color in the 1st Place! 🙄.
Ask them!
Pay no attention to that silly Buzzfeed read.

@michaelgwolfe
To all of my fellow organizers who care, a couple of thoughts on the recent Buzzfeed article about
@sunrisemvmt


@michaelgwolfe
"For those who have questions- feel free to reach out and ask. I will never pull punches on where we're falling short (and we are.)

But please don't take a Buzzfeed article as the last word on this. Please talk to organizers in the movement."

[scipan]

6. Sounds like they're trying.

I hope they get their act together. But we're all human.

[scipan]

15. This, from the article, sounds like a good group.

I may join. They are responsive to their members, yet they have problems.

[Hortensis]

48. There are many strong, active environmental groups that work

on climate-related problems as their only goal. Groups that well-regarded professionals in the field found, work with and endorse.

Sunrise is primarily political and full of the kind of people who could believe they should protest Democrats instead of Republicans.

[JI7]

7. It's a Troll group meant to hurt Democrats

and help republicans win.

[scipan]

8. What evidence do you have for that?

We are an evidence based group. We are not like the right wingers. Facts,madam.

[Hekate]

10. Hmmm. You mean evidence like pulling stunts in front of Pelosi's & Feinstein's offices?

Facts have been presented to you — no need to insult a respected DUer, madam or sir as the case may be.

[scipan]

12. I can challenge any DUer who doesn't present facts.

Do you have a problem with that?

[George II]

89. Please check post #66 - cold hard facts from Sunrise Movement themselves.

[scipan]

13. We are democrats.

We don't fall in line.

[Hekate]

17. Therefore we tend to lose elections we should not lose. Hey, but you be you. Tomorrow...

… you can confront me with that old saw from Will Rogers, yippee ki-yi-yay.

[Cha]

78. No one is "falling in line"

.. that's insulting.

[scipan]

14. Stunts? Or trying to make a point?

Based on what they believe is important?

I like to have a big tent.

[betsuni]

21. What point?

The Democratic Party is the environmentalist party. Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House and urged fuel conservation. Al Gore has been a global warming activist for decades. Barack Obama ran on and implemented a Green New Deal (part of the stimulus package) -- Green New Deal was coined by Thomas Friedman in 2007. Hillary Clinton had many green energy plans -- the Clinton Foundation funds things like clean energy school buses.

Democrats aren't the problem, but they don't have supermajorities in Congress. Why misinform children? What's the point?

[Demsrule86]

38. They wish to destroy the party...

only help the GOP.

[George II]

66. As far as Feinstein was concerned, the point they were making was to criticize Feinstein, and....

....they didn't even do it to her face.

They recorded about 15 minutes of the confrontation with Feinstein, then chopped it up to make her look horrible. Turns out that Feinstein offered to work with them, even give them jobs in her office if they wanted. They left that out.

It was a hatchet job in more ways than one.

Here's the short version that the put on Facebook and Twitter (falsely claiming they were limited to ~2 minutes):

Here's the complete 15 minute version:

[Hekate]

71. That full encounter really puts the lie to their hateful charges against DiFi

Thanks, George II.

[betsuni]

91. Thanks for posting the complete version.

I remember the claim that they were limited to two minutes or something, quickly debunked.

[lapucelle]

30. Sunrise is a sister organization of Justice Dems

When they tell me who they are, I believe them. And I keep receipts.



_________________________________________________________________________________________________

[LetMyPeopleVote]

56. I am on the Justice Democrats email feed

This group hates the DCCC, establishment Democrats and Corporate Democrats. I find their emails to be so dumb as to be funny

[lapucelle]

64. Justice Dems take hundreds of thousands of dollars from a big pharma billionaire

Charles Dunlop is their major donor. It doesn't get any more corporate than that. It's disgusting when political operatives play idealistic young voters for fools with a purity storyline contrary to facts.

Funny how quiet this thread got once folks were shown the receipts. I'm bookmarking it.

And that's not pettifogging dross.

[lapucelle]

31. Sunrise is a sister organization of Justice Dems.

When people tell me who they are, I believe them. And I keep receipts.



__________________________________________________________________________________________________

[Cha]

81. Yeah, Justice Dems have told us who they are..

and I already knew.. cenk was a founder.. big Red Flag.

TY!

[Demsrule86]

37. They were the group that rushed the stage and knocked down Biden's campaign manager

They protested Amy Klobachar and ruined her event and protested Nancy Pelosi as well. They always are after Democrats but never GOP. They are a tool of the right really. It doesn't surprise me that are accused of marginalizing people of color. I could be wrong but I dont think they are Democrats...they sure don't act like it,

[mcar]

74. You joined fast

A few posts up you said you may join.

[betsuni]

11. +1

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. There are three troll groups all working together

Link to tweet

[Celerity]

22. Outrageous you are posting a McCarthyite Twitter account full conspiracy theory and viscous attacks

on elected Dems. ​I am so sick of these divisive attempts to rip our party apart.

Posting this claptrap is beyond the pale.

That @LeftSplintered twitter troll YOU are posting is literally accusing AOC, Bernie Sanders and Occupy Wall Street, etc of working with the Russians to bring down Clinton, Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

It smears Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna with a slanted, spun up tale about Democratic Party candidate data, and also viscously smears Khanna by implying (using loaded syntax and sentence structure) he has sympathies for neo Nazism and Trump via connective phrasing.

It accuses Democratic Congressman Jamaal Bowman of being some stalking horse and trying to destroy the Dem Party.

Seriously, what the fuckery is this shit account's garbage doing here on DU?

I see these cleverclogs attempts by some here to skirt the DU rules by posting Twitter shit from trolls and banned DU'ers who pump out rot that would instantly hidden if posted here.

https://twitter.com/LeftSplintered

examples












Shameful to this fucking dross here.

[BlueLucy]

24. I think they're shining the light

I follow these accounts and found them to be accurate. My opinion.

[betsuni]

26. I agree, accurate.

Justice Democrats are very clear about their goal.

From one of their latest emails:

"Corporate Democrats like to make excuses for why they can't get things done, but with a Democratic majority in Congress and Biden in the White House, failing to deliver for working people is unacceptable. ... Nancy Pelosi and other establishment Democrats have obstructed progress on the key issues facing working-class Americans."

It's very clear who the enemy is (ignore 50-50 Senate, slight majority in the House, Republicans -- pretend it's the 30s and we have supermajorities and a sane Republican Party).

[Celerity]

27. colour me shocked

I follow these accounts and found them to be accurate. My opinion.

Those Tweeters are toxic, divisive, hate-filled disruptor burner-accounted mis/disinformation trolls who would be banned here if they posted all of the shite on DU that they do on Twitter.

They are the same (in terms of psychologically manipulative methodological practices) as the wind-them-up RW twitter sludge, as both are preaching to an evermore enraged choir locked into a negative feedback loop that only serves to heighten tensions, and chokes off nuanced, rational viewpoints and debates that are the lifeblood of a vibrant modern western democratic vox populi.

It is all a big game of 'let's you and him fight' shit-stirring.

It is too-clever-by-half TOS avoidance manoeuvring to toss up selective cuts from their vats of toxic dross.

These Tweeters are used as cyber stalking horses to inject divisive bollocks and attacks onto this board (whether directly or indirectly, whether primary or secondary level in terms of distribution of message) that would never pass muster if posted as the original writings of an actual DU poster or posted from a website.

[betsuni]

28. ...

[lapucelle]

32. Folks need to be careful not to get locked in a negative feedback loop

by the divisive bullocks of pettifoggers whose dross chokes the very lifeblood of a vibrant vox populi..

[betsuni]

34. Preaching psychologically manipulative methodological sludge practices preaching to

an evermore enraged choir of stalking horses who pass mustard. BEWARE!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

55. You are wrong

I have been following each of these groups for a while. These groups are the ones attacking the Democratic Party and want to remake the Democratic Party into their own image. I am the email list for Justice Democrats and these emails are full of hatred towards the DCCC, establishment Democrats and corporate democrats. I am glad there are groups monitoring these groups and shining a spotlight on the activities of these groups

I did not seen any falsehoods in the tweets you posted. If you have facts that can prove the facts presented in these tweet wrong, please provide these facts.

[Celerity]

59. no mate, I am spot the hell on, I may be young, but I did not just fall off the banana lorry

its textbook reflexive control and non-linear warfare, which was ironically perfected by the Russians

giant coordinated shit stirs that create and feed vortexes of echo chambers that keep people divided through negative self-reinforcing feedback loops, in this case it is pumping up the argy bargy internally within our Party

I have seen it done for years on social media, same old modus operandi, only the burner accounts and sock puppet accounts names change, but the song remains the same

[LetMyPeopleVote]

62. You are wrong

You have NOT presented any facts to prove your amusing but wrong claims. The fact that you personally disagree with the facts presented is meaningless unless you have facts supporting your claims. I hate to break it to you but these three groups have issues that are supported with facts

[BlueLucy]

82. You just described Justice Democrats

[betsuni]

92. Exactly.

Opposite World!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

98. Again you ware wrong- I am not in favor of the Justice Democrats remaking the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

100. So you are in favor of the Just Us Democrats destroying and remaking the Party into their own image?

I on the email list for the Just Us Democrats and the hatred that this group has for regular democrats is really sad. I do not want to see the Democratic Party destroyed and remade into the image of the Just Us Democrats. The fact that this group's podcast is called "Just Us" democrats amuses me

Link to tweet

[George II]

101. They don't hide their motives. Justice Democrats are ANTI-Democratic Party! Examples....

....(a repeat or two, that's the nature of Twitter):

[Celerity]

102. No, and you are using classic sophistry and whataboutism to try and muddy the waters from my

original reply that is valid, is correct, and still stands.

So you are in favor of the Just Us Democrats destroying and remaking the Party into their own image?

I was not talking about JD, I am not a fan of JD. You are openly attempting to put words in my word via false constructs and using a blatant 'loaded question' logical fallacy.

I was talking about the toxic twitter trolls in other ideological and agitprop lanes, troll and wannabe trolls, shills, grifters, etc etc, that I see all the time. Some in that ecosphere have had so, so many of their twitter accounts are banned, but they pop up with new ones.

Often on Twitter, so many of these types, that swarm certain tweets, are just sock puppet burner accounts/bots used to amplify their impact exposure and drive traffic, like Sally Albright got caught doing. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Sally Albright's main account was banned (and still is) from Twitter btw for targeted abuse.




How A Twitter Fight Over Bernie Sanders Revealed A Network Of Fake Accounts

One Democratic Party consultant said an unnamed client controlled many of these accounts.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democratic-bot-network-sally-albright_n_5aa2f548e4b07047bec68023

When Russians at the Internet Research Agency interfered in U.S. politics, they created false online personas and fake political groups to amplify divisive messages that already had a homegrown American audience. It’s not too far from what some U.S. political consultants are doing themselves.

Take Sally Albright, a Democratic Party communications consultant who backed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016. Unsurprisingly, Albright is vocally opposed to President Donald Trump and a big supporter of the resistance to his administration. She is also one of the loudest, most divisive voices attacking Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Clinton’s onetime Democratic primary opponent, and his left-wing supporters.

Well after the primary, Albright continues to claim that Sanders is a fraud, a liar, racist and corrupt, among many other things. In one instance she declared that the policy idea of free college, as promoted by Sanders, was racist. This provoked Sanders supporters to argue back.

Trevor, a Sanders supporter who declined to provide his last name for fear of being doxxed, but goes by @likingonline on Twitter, noticed a strange pattern of behavior when Albright responded to him. Her tweets addressing him were rapidly retweeted by the same series of accounts. This created a barrage of notifications making it look as though there was an avalanche of opposition to everything he said.

snip


here is an archive snapshot of tweet above btw, where she calls free college (and thus implies Bernie is) 'racist'





Done here.

This OP thread is just the same old small group repeating the same things over and over and over, and then swarming on anyone who takes issues with elements of the constructs or methodologies of some of tools employed.

You are still at it, literally weeks later, almost a full month, in the same thread, going back and trying to repeat the same things, things that are not even germane to my original reply's point.

I am done participating in this.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

103. LOL Again, you are wrong and I am sad that you support groups who want to destroy the Dem Party

Do you ever tire of being wrong? I am really amused that you have been mad at me for three years. I hate to admit that I never pay much attention to your posts.

[Celerity]

104. how dare you accuse me of this!

I am sad that you support groups who want to destroy the Dem Party

I already fully answered your loaded question and said I do NOT support JD, and now you flat out say I am fucking supporting groups who want to 'destroy the Dem party'!

Seriously, wtf???

[LetMyPeopleVote]

105. You do realize that the Sunrise Movement is an affiliate of Justice Democrat

Justice Democrats and the Sunrise group are affiliated and work together in the real world

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

The real world is a nice place where facts matter. The Sunrise movement is an affiliate of Just Us Democrats (I am still amused that this group's podcase is called "Just Us" )

[Celerity]

106. what the hell does that have to do with you FALSELY accusing me of 'supporting groups that want to

destroy the Dem party'????

I already told you I am not a supporter of JD, and will add SM in as well, and yet you STILL are just repeating the same old rot, and ignoring my entire point I almost a month ago.


YOU post twitter trolls that attack elected Dems, not me m8.

You are other have positively littered this thread with Tweets from

JusticeDemWatch
@JusticeDemWatch


and HERE they are calling the elected Democratic Lt Governor of PA, and the leadig candidate for the open 2022 PA senate seat a gin toting racist



here they are attacking Katie Porter





YOU posted
LeftSplintered
@LeftSplintered tweets

and here they are saying Bernie Sanders is working with Russia (and so ironically accusing the left of working against Pelosi when it was THE Centrists/Moderate Conservadems who tried to stop her from being Speaker)



here they are attacking Ro Khanna, saying he is a Nazi collaborator



you post FUCKED UP Twitter accounts



here is another account posted in thus thread

Sasha Says Arrest Fetterman‏ @SashaBeauloux



they now have changed their tag

but they accused Fetterman of being a racist and of giving off nazi skinhead vibes (wtf, he was elected in a 75-80% black town multiple times)

I engaged them on Twitter and they said that the by far the best candidate for PA Senate for black people was Conor Lamb, who understood black people and wasn't Trump in disguise like Fetterman (LOL)

When I pointed out to them that Lamb comes from an almost 90% white district, only 5,6% black, and that Lamb voted with Trump in the 115th Congress almost 70% of the time (2nd highest Trump score for a Dem in Congress, only trailing the odious Henry Cuellar, a forced birther, anti LGBTQ bigot, anti immigrant, pro private prison, pro big oil, and a Dem who campaigned for/fundraised for a racist climate change denialist MAGAt for (John Carter TX-31)

they blocked me






finally...............

you said

I hate to admit that I never pay much attention to your posts.

BULLSHIT

you and a few others almost always have a go at me because I do not submit to the tosh I see posted by you on a far too regular basis, plus I do not fit into your binary political world view in terms of progs versus centrists

the very fact you came back into this thread just now after almost a month and starting swinging on me shows that this statement

I hate to admit that I never pay much attention to your posts.

is utter bollocks

[LetMyPeopleVote]

107. Thank you for the laughs

I am sorry that you are offended that I do not find your posts to be interesting or well reasoned. I do admit that I have been amused by by your posts where you made rather sad and poorly informed attacks on sources critical of Justice Democrats and its affiliates and have responded to correct the sad errors in facts contained in such posts

You claim that you disavow Just Us Democrats (I love the fact that this group's pod cast is called "Just Us" Democrats) and the sunrise movement but you are defending these groups by attacking anyone who disagrees with or is critical of these groups or their policies or tactics. That is a very amusing way of disavowing these groups. You are in effect stating that I disagree with certain groups but I will attack any sources that do not agree with the groups that I am supposedly disavowing. That is really amusing.

I live in the real world and I have been working hard to turn Texas blue. I was a delegate to the 2016 national convention which is a honor that takes years of hard work. I saw first hand the tactics used by the persons who became the founders of The Brand New Congress, Just Us Democrats, Our Revolution, the Sunrise Movement and a couple of other similar groups. I disagree with the goals and tactics of these groups and I have agreed with the several groups/sources who disagree with the goals and/or tactics of these groups. At the Convention, I saw planned stunts of booing Stacy Abrams, John Lewis and Elijah Cummings (I was warned about these planned stunts in advance by the Clinton campaign whipping infrastructure). I was at the mini riot at the Texas delegation breakfast where sanders supporters demanded that we condemn Hillary Clinton

You are consistent in attacking any groups who disagree with the tactics or policies of the Just Us Democrats, Sunrise movement, Our Revolution, Brand New Congress and other groups founded by sanders supporters. To me that mean that you are in effect supporting and approving of these tactics and/or positions. I follow a ton of different sources and I evaluate positions taken with a grain of salt. I am former college debate and as well a lawyer which means that I am skeptical of everything that I read on the internet. Here, the sources you dislike have raised good objections to the tactics and positions taken by the Sunrise Movement, Just Us Democrats, Our Revolution, Brand New Congress and other groups formed by former/current sanders supporters.

You are evidently supporting Fetterman and hate Connor Lamb. That is fine. I strongly disagree with your choices and I will be supporting real democrats who can win a contested general election. I am on Fetterman email list and his emails are really weak but funny at times. I will be donating to Connor just as I will be donating to a number of real democratic candidates who are in primaries with Just Us supported candidates. Many disagreed with Katy Porter's endorsement of Nina Turner and we are very fortunate that Nina Turner lost the Ohio 11 primary. I was so very happy to see Nina Turner lose that primary despite endorsements of Porter, AOC, Sanders, Cornel West and that Mike guy.

As for the speculation about Sanders and Russia, you do remember that Mueller did find that Russia was helping the Sanders campaign

Link to tweet

As noted above, I am not a fan of Sanders or his campaign and I would like to see all of the evidence gathered by Mueller on Russian support for Sanders in 2016. That does not mean that I agree with the attacks you listed above.

I am amused that you think that I follow your posts or care about your posts. I skip almost all of your posts in that I do not find these posts to be interesting or based on logic or facts. I do find your poorly written and researched posts attacking sources that disagree with Just Us Democrats, Our Revolution, Sunrise Movement, Brand New Congress and other groups founded by Cenk, Waleed Shahid, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk to be worthy of correcting given your obvious error in the facts. The fact that you are attacking groups who disagree with these people or the groups they founded amuses me. Again, I saw the tactics of these people up close in Philadelphia. You are in effect supporting groups founded by Cenk, Waleed Shahid, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk which I find to be amusing.

You are free to support the candidates of your choice. I will not support any candidates supported by the Just Us Democrats in the primaries. I will not support the Just Us Democrat and their affiliate goal of destroying and remaking the Democratic Party.

Have fun. I had a zoom call today with one Democratic Lawyers Association and will be working to fight the GOP voter suppression bill. It will be hard but Texas will turn blue due to a ton of hard work.

[Celerity]

110. more outrageous personal attacks, untruths, assumptions, poor logic, and attempted bullying

You are consistent in attacking any groups who disagree with the tactics or policies of the Just Us Democrats, Sunrise movement, Our Revolution, Brand New Congress and other groups founded by sanders supporters.

You have gone over the edge now and are merely launching into personal attack after personal attack, all predicated on false framing and smears.

It's fucked up and should not be allowed, it is against the fucking TOS to continuously smear me and use personal attacks and to make misstatements impugning my character, making shit up about me to try and make me appear to be something I am NOT.

plus, you again just claimed to

I

am amused that you think that I follow your posts or care about your posts.

Which is obviously not true and as you are making ridiculous claim after ridiculous claim about me, and what I pos, and you have go after go at me for years.

You also seem to implying that I somehow supported Turner in her primary. I did NOT, as she lacks both temperament and judgement, and likely would have been a ticking time bomb that would blow up in the Party's face.


Also this is both assumption and the height of arrogance:

You are evidently supporting Fetterman and hate Connor Lamb. That is fine. I strongly disagree with your choices and I will be supporting real democrats

You are really shaky with your logic and rhetoric (which is mostly sophistry if truth be told).

1. Where the hell did I say I 'hate Conor Lamb? Me calling out some two-bit trolls on Twitter who are smearing the fuck out of the elected sitting Democratic PA Lt Governor is hardly 'hating' on Lamb. Your use of the word 'hate' betrays more about you than me.

2. You also use a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy by using a framing of 'real Democrats'

As if YOU are the judge and jury of who is a 'real' Democrat, and are the arbiter of what is acceptable ideology and therefore what is allowable discourse.


Pushing back and on you for specific problematic actions (such as these Twitter troll injections), and constant divisive attacks (to a repetitive 'flogging a dead horse' level) absolutely doesn't make me guilty of anything that you are accusing me of.

It is called holding you to account in my small way for the constant false framings, relentless, repetitive divisiveness and personal attacks you bring in here with great regularity.


You seem to be under the impression that you and a coordinated small group (look at this thread and others like it for more than ample evidence of coordination) can just ramrod your particular ideological posturing down the collective throats of the board via wolfpack style swarm attacks, almost always inclusive of attempts to try to frame ANYTHING not to your liking as somehow automatically suspect and something to smear and falsely impugn.

It is bullshit cyber bullying tactics and it is abhorrent behaviour.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

111. Again thank you for the laughs

It is hard to make so many poorly reasoned and silly arguments in one post unless you are attempting to give people something to laugh at. In the real world emotional arguments that are not based on facts or logic are rarely effective.

If you are not supporting Justice Democrats (again I love the name of this group's podcast-"Just Us" democrats), Our Revolution, Brand New Congress, Sunrise and other groups, then why are you only attacking sources that disagree with these groups or their policies or tactics? You are only attacking sources which disagree with or criticize the positions or tactics of these groups which in the real world is evidence of your support of these groups. The sources which you are attacking are all reliable and these sources are providing facts about Just Us Democrats, Sunrise, Our Revolution, Brand New Congress and other similar groups that you cannot prove are false. Your personal dislike of these sources is meaningless in the real world unless you have facts to support your claims. The fact that you are personally offended by groups that disagree with only certain groups is in the real world proof of your motives.

As for me caring about your posts, thank you for the laughs Most of your posts are long rambling screeds with no facts or logic supporting your claims. Again, I was a college debater and I am a lawyer and I find most of your posts to be unreadable and sad.

Your posts attacking various sources would be better if you had facts or logic supporting your claims. Again your personal opinion as to these sources is meaningless. There is a concept under the rules of evidence that the opinion of a non-expert is not admissible in the real world and none of your screeds/personal attacks on these sources would meet this standard in the real world. The fact that your personally disagree with a sources is meaningless in the real world.

I am amused that your anger and personal attacks got you banned by one source on twitter. Again, you should consider not relying solely on your unsupported personal opinions and emotions and based your attacks on logic and facts. Right now, Lamb is the only candidate in the primary field who does not have some endorsement/support from Just Us Democrats.

I am amused that you think that I should care about who you think is good candidate. I have been active in politics in the real world for a very long time and I am capable of making my own judgments as to whom is real democrat. As I noted on another post, I am on a number of dialing for dollars phone lists and I get AOC, Fetterman and Just Us Democrats emails. The Just Us Democrats emails are full of hatred for establishment and corporate democrats and then these emails complain that the Just Us Democrats are not making their fundraising numbers. Again, I am active in politics in the real world and I am amused by the concept that the terms "establishment democrat" or "corporate democrat" are insults.

I have personal experience with these groups and I believe the Just Us Democrats when they state that they want to destroy the Democratic Patty and rebuild the party in their own image I support the Democratic Party as is and I doubt that I would ever support a candidate endorsed by the Just Us Democrats or their affiliates.

I was a day one contributor to Joe Biden and got to meet him at two private fundraiser at the homes of two attorneys. I also got to meet Hillary at a couple of fundraisers and used a picture with her for my campaign to be a national delegate. Private fundraisers are a great way to get to see a candidate up close. Joe and I talked about stuttering and I got a Joe Biden hug. At national conventions, they pass out signs to be used during each speech. I brought back some floor speech signs and Joe signed three signs that were used during his floor speech at the Philadelphia convention. Joe put "Keep the Faith" on one sign. Again, I loved it when Jim Clyburn endorsed Joe and loved the fact the Joe is our POTUS. I guess that makes me an establishment democrat which is why I enjoy laughing at the Just Us democrats emails

Again, thank you for the laughs. I will continue to ignore your posts other than to correct posts where your emotions cause you to attack reliable sources. You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts

[Budi]

108. The correct word is 'Glittered' not Littered

These "trolls" you speak of are a group of fact based researchers. They out the media bullshit by fact finding & reporting it.

There is literally NOTHING they report that hasn't been truthed out by fact.

I am grateful as fk for anyone taking on the task of busting the populist, political bullshitters, lobbing out-of-context negative made-for-media, one-liner Headlines against their target, while shielding their own.


I applaud their dedication & fact finding mission of truth
We should have more like these people.
Media Bias Fact Check can't do it all.

[Celerity]

109. the are paid trolls and shills, nothing more

[Sympthsical]

75. You're saving me so much effort here

The Twitter trolling is obvious and pervasive. It is intended to eat our party from the inside. How it ends up here so frequently without sanction is a mystery.

Notice Manchin's vote with GOP racists about critical race theory is almost entirely unremarked upon. A person with power casting a vote? Meh. A small group with almost no power? String your bows and man the embrasures.

And you are, of course, correct about the skirting of rules.

It's sad that elected Democrats are attacked with such impunity and relish. We're supposed to be against that.

[Cha]

87. No they are NOT "toxic" as you say.. They're

Shining the Light.:

That obviously Upsets some.. that's too bad.

[George II]

54. Nothing I read there on Twitter was false or incorrect.

[Cha]

76. That's a good way to put it.. Shining

the Light!

[George II]

51. What makes you think LeftSplintered is a "McCarthyite", unless you're talking about Eugene McCarthy?

[Nixie]

61. You haven't been paying attention if you couldn't predict

that RWers love the AOC/Bernie wing, which this group is a part of as shown here to be a sister group of Justice Democrats. How disingenuous to now say that their attacks on our party have to be tolerated just because others have picked up on their destructive messages.

No way. You can’t have it both ways. This has been the exact problem all along —- these groups give ammunition to RWers. So they should stop it already, but you can’t tell Democrats to just shut up after the years of attacks. Not going to happen.

[Cha]

79. No you're Wrong.. George is Correct in

Shining the Light!

Accusing him of posting like "McCarthy".. really? That's what you came up with?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

97. Do you ever tire of being wrong? The Justice Democrats and Sunrise groups have issues

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the Sunrise movement, the"brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats. The posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing.

I have been following number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats including the poster in question. There are a large number posters on twitter who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. It seems that this poster is a regular democrat who does not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.

Link to tweet

This poster is not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Again the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats.

If you want to learn more about the Justice Democrats just enter "Just Us Democrats" in the search function of twitter.

[lapucelle]

35. When people tell you who they are, believe them. And keep receipts.

[JoanofArgh]

25. Yep. Thought from the start they were

GOP funded. Along with Momentum.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. Justice Democrats, Sunrise and Brand New Congress all have this same issue

Link to tweet

[Celerity]

23. again, another use of Twitter troll account that utterly smears & attacks elected Democrats

with wild conspiracy theories, including AOC,Katie Porter and our wonderful PA Gubernatorial candidate, John Fetterman (with a VILE AF bullshit racial smear/lie)

It also pushes crap from another multiple time banned DUer, the lunatic, obsessed fraud Spandan Chakrabarti, who ironically constantly brags/uses (for quasi legitimacy attempts) about some long ago congressional mention from... drum roll... Rho Khanna, whom your other Twitter Troll in Post #20 viciously attacks. I have seen posters here STILL putting up his deranged tweets, thus skirting a DU ban.

Again, it's bollocks you post anything from these conspiracy theory-pumping, elected Democrats-smearing scum Twitter troll.


@JusticeDemWatch

https://twitter.com/JusticeDemWatch





















this is another DUer (this DUer posts OP about him, posts his tweets) pumping Spandan Chakrabarti clinging to Ro Khanna, who your other Twitter troll in post # 20 ripped and implied Khanna had neo Nazi ties. Your 2 posted twitter trolls are at odds! Oh noes!

[Hortensis]

50. No, Celerity, it's true. Some VERY bad actors run these groups.

They disagree sometimes on the best way to defeat Democrats. Many think electing Republicans in hopes of causing national disruption is a good thing that'll help them take seats away from Democrats. And in fact, after helping elect Trump/GOP they have gotten a few more. Others think it's a very dangerous way of trying to defeat Democrats.

They all believe in lying about who Democrats are and what we're doing in order to fool trick people into supporting them, though. They're as bad as the Republicans they share anti-Democratic propaganda campaigns with that way.

[Celerity]

57. 'they share anti-Democratic propaganda'

like this?



toss that up as an OP and see how long it lasts

seriously, that twitter troll is smearing the fuck out of the Democratic frontrunner for the damn open Senate seat in PA, which is the BEST seat in terms of chances to flip from Red to Blue we have, we lose that the chances of even holding it 50/50 are greatly diminished


but hey, the twitter troll takes cheap smear shots at sitting Dem politicians you don't like, so... all good!

I guess Katie Porter now is in the shit bin as well for a certain crowd here

smdh

[Hortensis]

58. Those who visit that site have to see its constant anti-Democratic narratives.

Many posts require being informed or checking the claims to understand their deceit and lies. But many also include such blatant falsehoods and/or aggressively hostile attacks that no one could miss them.

And of course none of those who go there especially to enjoy and spread them do.

[Celerity]

60. I figured you would not address that viscous anti-Fetterman smear, the classic whataboutism gambit

is just a bonus

done here

my posts all stand

[LetMyPeopleVote]

65. I have never been impressed with Fetterman

His emails are mainly sad. I am supporting only real de o rats like Connor Lamb

You are wrong in your claims. You should consider using facts to back up your assertions The posts you have attacked are supported with facts including statements from the Justice Democrats that this group wants to takeover the Democratic Party. Do you support this goal?

[Hortensis]

69. The subject was the pernicious lies on the JD site. For some

of the most blatantly toxic, check the Twitter accounts of leaders and members, where JD's pretenses of virtue are not infrequently blown up by the unrestrained venom of aggressive extremists.

[Nixie]

67. Speaking of Katie Porter! Look who she attracts now since her public association with Bernie

group's Nina Turner. Violent right wingers! Gee, who could have guessed....

If she is in the "shit bin" (your words) then she put herself there. Unlike some of the other "Squad" members in solid Democratic districts, Katie Porter is in a Republican district. You haven't been paying attention if you haven't seen national elections in which RWers ALL run against Bernie instead of mainstream Democrats. That's been the problem!

So this shit is happening at Katie's townhalls now! How predictable is this, for cripes sake. Let's stop the false outrage. Katie's district opponents have been hankering for this exact scenario -- pit her as a far-left socialist, and she handed it to them on a silver platter.

Katie is a great tactician and we need her, but if she loses she did this to herself with her associations and bad political decisions.

https://www.ocregister.com/2021/07/12/fight-breaks-out-after-far-right-protesters-disrupt-rep-katie-porters-town-hall/

[LetMyPeopleVote]

84. Fetterman is not the nominee of the party

We are looking at a contested primary and the voters deserve all relevant information so as to select the best candidate. Democratic primary voters are free to consider all facts in order to select best possible Democrat to be the nominee. I am not impressed with Fetterman or other persons running as Justice Democrats. Voters in the OH11 were free to consider Turner’s atta is on Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden in selecting Shontel to be the nominee

[LetMyPeopleVote]

52. I have been following the Justice Democrats for a while as has this poster and others

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress" group and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats. The posts attacking the DCCC for raising money to elect real Democrats are really amusing.

I have been following number of posters on twitter who dislike the Justice Democrats including the poster in question. There are a large number posters on twitter who have issues with the concept of the Justice Democrat group wanting to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. It seems that this poster is a regular democrat who does not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.

Link to tweet

This poster is not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Again the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats. Do you approve of the hatred of the DCCC, the mainstream Democratic Party, corporate Democrats, and establishment Democrats? I have worked inside the party for decades and I find these attacks distasteful

I am also on Fetterman's email list and he also seems to have issues with the mainstream Democratic party. I personally have always like Connor Lamb since he flipped a red district. Personally I am not going to support a candidate supported by the Justice Democrats if there is a real democrat in that race.

I have no trouble with this source and the fact that you dislike facts being disclosed about this group is sad. Do you agree with the goal of the Just Us Democrats to destroy the Democratic Party and to rebuild the party in their image? I do not agree with that goal.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

96. I was pleased to see Rep. Hakeem Jeffries is working with some of these groups to oppose Justice Dem

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

112. LOL Fettermans just blocked Sasha

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

29. Why am I not surprised at this? This group is a Cenk Uygur subsidiary...

... and he really doesn't have the best reputation in the first place. Anything associated with Cenk Uygur is worse than, um... well... a bowl-of-shit! (to borrow a popular analogy).

[lapucelle]

43. Justice Dems' financials are "interesting".

________________________________________________________________________________________________



https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/justice-democrats/C00630665/donors/2020

________________________________________________________________________________________________


Who is the man with the deep pockets? A big pharma/healthcare industry billionaire.

Charles Dunlop
President/Founder, Ambry Genetics Corp

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CqjAJMf0i8oJ:https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/19712686+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- "When is it OK to take money from big pharma billionaires or turn a blind eye to a congressional ally invested in millions of dollars in fossil fuel stocks?

-"When it's us. But just us".

[George II]

53. Charles Dunlop was also a major contributor to Sam Brownback (R) and Dana Rohrabacher (R)

[lapucelle]

33. In the interest of keeping everything to scale.

I hope it's obnoxiously big enough.



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__________________________________________________________________________________________________

[betsuni]

39. This can never be too big.

They've said this over and over and over. How does anyone not know this?

It's not good enough to say "I'm progressive, vote for me!" You actually have to want progress.

[lapucelle]

40. Has Sunrise ever shown up at Ro Khana's office to demonstrate?

[NurseJackie]

41. No. Everything they do is self-serving...

... the "Justice Democrats" are only concerned about what benefits the "Justice Democrats" (they are a Cenk Uygur production, so it stands to reason.)

[George II]

44. Anyone know who was on the Board of Justice Democrats at that time?

[NurseJackie]

46. I do. The answer may surprise many people...

... who aren't aware of this group's history and objectives.

[lapucelle]

47. In early 2018, Justice Dems' Board consisted of an unknown AOC and tech multi-millionaire

Saikat Chakrabarti according to the Justice Dems' "about us" page and their 2018 corporate filing.

___________________________________________________________________________________



https://web.archive.org/web/20180323224252if_/https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about

___________________________________________________________________________________

[George II]

49. Interesting. I see that as of June 24, 2018 (AFTER the Democratic Primary) she and Chakrabarti....

....were still listed as the only two board members.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180624092923/https://www.justicedemocrats.com/about

Chakrabarti was her campaign manager and after the election he was her Chief of Staff in Washington.

On June 5, 2018, while they were both still on the board of Justice Democrats, Justice Democrats contributed $5,000 to her campaign.

[lapucelle]

72. Poor Mr. Chakrabarti made the mistake of tangling with Speakers Pelosi by attacking

some of her members.

Embattled Ocasio-Cortez Aides Are Leaving Capitol Hill

Two of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s top aides who were instrumental in forging her unexpected path to victory last year are leaving Capitol Hill, less than a month after one of them ignited a firestorm by challenging Speaker Nancy Pelosi and comparing moderate House Democrats to segregationists.

House Democrats had been privately calling for the ouster of Saikat Chakrabarti, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s embattled chief of staff. He and Corbin Trent, her communications director, had gone to Capitol Hill determined to wage their confrontational brand of progressive politics forged as leaders of Justice Democrats, a group dedicated to unseating entrenched Democratic lawmakers through primary campaigns. Justice Democrats helped Ms. Ocasio-Cortez sweep to power with the defeat of a veteran House Democrat, Joseph Crowley.

snip================================================================================

Mr. Chakrabarti, intent on continuing his anti-establishment movement from inside the halls of power, had rankled lawmakers aides on Capitol Hill after he posted on Twitter his support for liberal candidates trying to topple sitting Democrats and his disdain for Ms. Pelosi’s legislative prowess. His challenges to elected leaders were considered in Congress to be remarkable breaches of protocol from an unelected aide.

His position became untenable last month after he compared moderate Democrats who sank a liberal emergency border aid package to “new Southern Democrats.” They “certainly seem hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s,” he tweeted.

He later deleted the post, but the damage was done. In an extraordinary effort to crack down on the chief of staff, Democratic leaders leveraged the House Democratic Caucus’s official Twitter account to resurrect a tweet by Mr. Chakrabarti that said that he believed Representative Sharice Davids of Kansas, one of the first two Native American women to serve in Congress, was enabling a “racist system” in voting for a weaker border aid package.

“Who is this guy and why is he explicitly singling out a Native American woman of color?” House Democratic leaders asked on Twitter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

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The unfortunate Mr. Chakrabarti tried to save face by making it look as if his hasty departure from the office of the then freshman rep from NY-14 were his choice, rather than it being a matter of his expendability.

Mr. Chakrabarti “has decided to leave the office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez to work with New Consensus to further develop plans for a Green New Deal,” Mr. Trent told The Intercept.

If Saikat is interested in environmental activism, maybe he can start by trying to persuade Congressman Ro Khana's family to sell their $7,500,000 investment in fossil fuel interests. After all, activism begins at home and divestiture has been one of Saikat's talking points for quite a while.

[George II]

83. I remember that - he didn't last long in Washington, but he made his mark (i.e. fortune)....

....along the way.

Maybe he challenged Sharice Davids because he still held a grudge for her beating their candidate, Brent Welder (of "let's flip this seat red" fame) in the primary and went on to beat the incumbent to be the first Native-American woman (along with Deb Haalund the same night) elected to Congress.

But the real tipping point was when he recorded a video proudly sporting a t-shirt with the portrait of a Nazi collaborator who was funded by Adolf Hitler and fought against Americans in Asia. Imagine working in a Congressional office and being proud of that t-shirt?

A few days later he announced his resignation (should have been fired!) His reason for leaving in early 2019 was to write the Green New Deal, which is still being written now two years later.

[betsuni]

70. +1

[Cha]

80. Thanks for Shining the Light on "Justice Dems"..

and their "goal".. it's been Obvious and here they are outing themselfves.

[lapucelle]

36. Two weeks into the term of TFG, Justice Democrats' mission was to destroy the Democratic Party

because we Democrats were the problem.

[NurseJackie]

42. Even without such a bold confession, their agenda has been clear from the start.

[Budi]

45. Thank You! 💙

[Nixie]

63. Thanks for this article, George. It's good to keep track of

anti-Demicratic groups who use our party to build a brand but mostly attract RWers. It’s a shame the children are being used to satisfy a bunch of angry brand building adults.

[hunter]

68. Why does this group remind me of the Worldwide LaRouche Youth Movement?

In any case, young scientists and engineers will be on the front lines solving the problems caused by global warming.

We'll also need plenty of compassionate people to deal with the inevitable refugee crises -- Social Workers, Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, etc..

As Democrats it's our job to make it so because the Republicans sure as hell won't.

[mcar]

73. From what I've read, that's not a surprise

[Cha]

77. This is "shocking".. Not

TY for shining the Light!

[Budi]

85. More Light, & receipts Sunrise made them sign NDA's!

Link to tweet

Kudos for his bravery in telling the truth.

[Cha]

86. Wth! What's SM trying to hide?.. NDAs

my Democratic

Shine More Light!

[George II]

88. Now that's interesting, but apparently not unique. In looking for some news report about....

Sunrise Movement and NDAs, I came across this from a couple of years ago.

Apparently Our Revolution, founded by Bernie Sanders and later headed up by Nina Turner, forced staffers to sign "racial discrimination NDAs" too. Why would an organization founded by a civil rights icon and later headed up by a Black woman insist on "racial discrimination NDAs"?

Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA

https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-immigration-lawsuits-ap-top-news-politics-c5201196cdc5897e76e49a3352a2c8dd

[Budi]

93. Wow.. interesting indeed. Why NDA's for Racial Discrimination?

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Aren't NDA's generrally & acceptablly reserved for company data & trade secrets?

Why would any organization require NDA's for Racial issues?
Especially since the campaign itself ran on Civil Rights matters & even had pics of Sanders himself marching for civil rights with MLK.

This is peculiar..

[betsuni]

90. +1