Damn atheist they're everywhere and in everyone's face

[packman]

[KS Toronado]

1. And I hate it when they do that, will they ever learn how to love their fellow Atheist?

[Wounded Bear]

2. I see what he did there...

[calimary]

72. Yes indeed!

[CrispyQ]

3. And coming to your house to convert you. It's too much!

[NCjack]

22. I cannot tolerate missionary atheists.

[Escurumbele]

47. I do too hate their brochures...at least print "This page left blank on purpose."

[Collimator]

27. Question: What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a Unitarian?

Answer: Someone who comes to stand at your door for no particular reason.

[Random Boomer]

33. LOL!

Are you sure they're not there to ask you to join an interpretative dance?

[Solly Mack]

4. I especially hate it when they go door to door, in pairs, spreading the word.

You never know which word they're going to throw at you, so you have to keep the dictionary handy.

Psychophysiological-auto-genesis (self-hypnosis through a recording/recorded device) was the last linguistic monstrosity they hit me with.

What a word! Just trying to say it was enough to keep me up at night.

Luckily, I had my trusty "Soothing sounds of the Ocean" CD to wave me into slumber.

[jaxexpat]

16. Yeah, and the mileage with those things sucks. And no driver, just one passenger!

Everybody knows that as you get older, the eyesight (on the cruise control) begins to fail.

[DavidDvorkin]

5. The worst part about the atheist monuments

Is that they insist on erecting them on public land and then scream bloody murder if anyone complains.

[ret5hd]

7. A prime example:

They put this monstrosity right in the middle of prime cattle land!!!

[Missn-Hitch]

11. Looks like an excellent repository for all these plastics floating around the ocean.

It would take years to fill it.

Problem solved.

[jaxexpat]

17. "It would take years to fill it." er....actually, maybe only months.

[DavidDvorkin]

28. And then claimed it was already like that before they arrived

Outrageous!

[Ford_Prefect]

6. You left out the part about how they recruit youth and children to convert.

It's just so insidious and corrupt the way they infest our public institutions, schools and the media too.

[paleotn]

15. Backyard bible clubs....

That started back when I was a kid in the 70's. I thought...wow, that's insidious. Parents and kids preying on other neighborhood kids during their Summer break. Makes the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses look like pikers. One of the many reasons I left evilgelicalism and religion in general.

[YoshidaYui]

8. Try being a Buddhist in a

Catholic Hospital or in a “Christian Nation”- Hey Yui who is that Green Jade colored fatman hanging around your neck? —

Me: Hush you!

You know you live in a city named after a Saint, right?

Me: (Rollseyes)

[LastDemocratInSC]

9. And, Steve Martin says that "Atheists don't have no songs"

https://m.

[Trueblue Texan]

41. FAY-UN-TAS-TICK!!!nt

[BarbD]

57. Glory, hallelujah for the lower case "g".

[getagrip_already]

10. Yeah, it's like they think they have a godless given right

To do whatever they want.. Like breaking the law and then claim godless made them do it and expect to be let off Scott free.

[PatrickforB]

12. Very subtle. Well, not really. Kind of in-your-face satire, actually.

I wonder how many people will actually 'get' what this person is saying...

[Maggiemayhem]

82. Not anyone on the right

They have no sense of irony.

[PatrickforB]

84. LOL indeed.

Those are some dense m-f-ers.

[Dirty Socialist]

13. Then there are agnostics like myself

That spread our doubts and confusion. I don’t know! In your face!

[smirkymonkey]

14. Damn athiests keep trying to force their beliefs on us and make them laws!

Oh, wait!

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

43. I can give you an example of exactly that happening.

Enver Hoxha (1908-1985), the former communist dictator of Albania, established atheism as state policy, and outlawed religious practices. Thousands of imams and priests were imprisoned, all property owned by churches was seized, all church buildings were either torn down of converted to secular use. People were imprisoned or even executed for practicing religion.

[robbob]

61. You must be a lot of fun at parties!

😂

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

92. Someone bleated about atheists not forcing their beliefs on others.

I just gave an example of exactly that happening.

You must be a Republican -- they don't like to hear about history either. But then, atheists like to pretend that you are morally better than believers. I'm not sorry to have burst your delusion.

[robbob]

94. Whoa, chill man!

I was just trying to make a little joke! You know, it’s a silly thread riffing on a meme about how atheists don’t build temples and go knocking door to door and cry all the time about being persecuted for their beliefs, and then you come in and point out a very grisly bit of history showing that atheists (or one particular atheist) can, in fact, be just as brutal and bloodthirsty and intolerant as anyone else. Which doesn’t surprise me one bit, humans being the way we are.

So in response I make a joking comment, followed by the most lighthearted of emoticons ( 😂 ), and you take it as some big personal insult? And then call me a Republican to boot (which is about as big an insult as I can imagine around here). Sorry I offended you. I think the historical example you gave is quite interesting, and I have no personal connection or attachment to atheism, so no, I don’t feel morally superior to anyone on that ground, or any other, for that matter.

Have a good day.

[HAB911]

18. Preach! Preach!

[Chainfire]

19. Atheist make better, more responsible, people

They are not forgiven their sins by mumbling an insincere whispered incantation. They can not pray their sins away, they can not sing their sins away and they can not tithe, their sins away. They know that they have but one life and best make the best of it, 'cause, when it is over, it is over. One of the upsides is that we do not fear death as we know where we are going when our time is done.

[electric_blue68]

32. Wow (IF you're being Non-Ironic) that's one of the most Arrogant...

statements I've ever heard from an aetheist.
.
(I'm still a bit slow after a nasty week of semi insomnia, old injury side effect flare up just beginning to to get resolved -
I don't want cast aspersions where there may be none)


Now, I'm talking in regards about truly Modern Ecumenical Liberal Progressive religious people, and spiritual people...

Many of them work just as hard as you do to make this world a ecological healthier place, bend that arc towards Justice faster, and strive for equality for all. 👍

[Piasladic]

34. sorry about your insomnia

I don't think that statement was too arrogant..., even for an "aetheist." What the hell is that? Is that like an aesthitist? Are aetheists going to come to our home to make sure we've aligned our furniture just right? Will they put us asleep and operate on us???

[Chainfire]

36. No irony in my post.

I believe that the evil, through the ages, committed in the name of religion, far outweighs any good that misplaced faith and superstition has produced. I believe that that is just as true today as during the inquisition, the crusades, or the conquest of the Americas. (and those just involve the god of Abraham! There are countless other gods) History provides us all of the evidence we should require.

Gods provide excuses for excesses. Christians, claiming that their god was on their side, marched millions of Jews to their deaths as recently as the middle of the last century. Religious wars in the Middle East seem to be perpetual. We, as a social group have been doing a lot of talking about Afghanistan; that too is primarily a religious war.

Gods provide a hope for immortality for people who can not accept the permanence of death. Gods come and go, but human nature is unchanging.

This is my philosophy; you can challenge the merits of my beliefs, but please do not challenge my sincerity, you need not challenge my beliefs as arrogance without looking in a mirror.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. Got Your Back

There was nothing wrong with your first post.
I agree with your points, and we're still witnessing it in real time.

[pjpossum]

74. I also saw nothing wrong in your post.

I was raised Jewish. I love things about the culture but I am not sure what I actually believe in regards to God or Gods/Goddesses or their non-existence A couple of things about Judaism: Jews don't believe in the Christian idea of heaven. And Jews don't believe in Hell. Jews have a responsibility to make amends to people that they have wronged. No free pass by accepting God, or saying some hail Mary. No forgiveness on your deathbed by confessing your sins.. Sins against God can be forgiven during the High Holy Days. But not sins against your fellow man. Amends must be made.
From my viewpoint, more war, death, suffering & persecution have been made in the name of religion than any other belief, idea or value.

[Celerity]

75. Nothing wrong with your first post. At all.

People love to hang on to woo, but try to make it more palatable by attaching a lefty slant to it. It is still woo.

[rainin]

76. Agree completely!

No question in my mind that a world without religion would be better in every way. People can still agree to be civilized to one another without needing a diety to send down rules and threaten retribution.

[treestar]

78. Imagine someone saying Christians make better people

That would get hidden.

And anyway you mix two questions - whether God exists is really a separate question from what his followers have done in the name of religion. God can exist and some of his followers can do evil. That's not evidence for or against God existing. And some of them have done good.

[Mariana]

86. Oh come on, we see posts like that all the time.

Every time someone says some awful Christian person or Christian organization or Christian group is not Christian, or is fake Christian, that's exactly what they're saying - that Christians are better people than non-Christians.

Here's a recent example. Did you know that there are no Christian Trumpers? Because only non-Christians could be so shitty as to support Trump. Christians are better people than that.

Nope, it's like saying that trumpers are Christian. They are not. At. All.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215739954#post41

[treestar]

96. Why fight about who are the better people?

It's sanctimonious either way.

[Mariana]

98. I just wanted to point out that your claim was false.

Those posts appear here regularly, and they do not get hidden.

[Chainfire]

93. I is not a question of whether some Christians do good. Of course they do.

It was a statement that, in my opinion, organized religions, all organized religions, have been at the root of some of the most evil episodes in recorded human history. Religion gives people permission to do evil things with the promise of redemption and a perpetual reward. The commandment clearly states, "Thou shalt not kill" but then the organized religion supports wars and killing in the name of God and with God's blessing and reward. It is a very inconsistent message that can be, and is manipulated to suit any current situation.

To repeat the point, while there are bad Atheists as well as bad Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all other religions, the difference is that Atheists have to live with their "sins." There is no "get out of jail free" card when you accept responsibility for your actions. Some of the "sins," that I have committed, against others, will haunt me to the grave; it is an incentive to not repeat bad behavior.

This is not to say that there are not good social lessons in the Christian message. I have read the bible through several times, and find it to be a valuable historical document and an interesting read. Many good lessons are taught in parables. I don't have to accept, as a fact, that a man survived in the belly of a whale to understand the underlying message. Nor do I have to believe that there is a great, white, bearded figure, living above the clouds, that counts the fall of every sparrow, to know, and try to live, the difference in right and wrong.

[treestar]

97. But to state that atheists are always better people

is no better than any such statement about a group of. Of course evil has been done in the name of religion. But the conclusion of whether there's a god does not follow from that. To make that conclusion is based on something more like it can't be believed if not scientifically provable.

Not having an out for your sins would mean you'd have to have some other way to handle guilt - another completely separate issue. It could lead to bad outcomes for atheists, too.

Medieval people apparently, their leaders, felt they needed to be threatened with eternal damnation to get them to avoid committing crimes and other bad behavior. The leaders so often went awry of those rules, that it appears to be cynical, and used to get simpler people to behave.

Maybe we don't need that threat now, and not everyone does. There are bad atheists too, though, that they have to be responsible for their sins means they still have to handle the guilt, and the bad ones will not think there is eternal damnation for them and only the law might stop them then.

[Chainfire]

100. The statement was in general terms and I stand by it.

When is the last time you heard of a great pogrom initiated by Atheists? The last "holy war?" When was the last time you saw Atheist leaders preaching hate from the pulpit in the name of Atheism? When is the last time you saw Atheist fanatics burn a fellow human being alive, or cut off his head on video? When is the last time you saw an Atheist demand worship and praise or demand 10% of their income? Your point about there being bad atheists is a little absurd; of course there are, they are human, they just aren't forgiven for it. As an Atheist, I try to do what is right, as by my personal judgment and in the eyes of my fellow men, not out of fear of eternal damnation; it is a more positive approach to being socially responsible.

There is also the case that in the history of mankind, there have been thousands of the "Only True Religion" I wonder how you can be sure that the one you chose today is the right one? When your friend survives in the hospital perhaps you should thank Zeus, Dyaus, Odin or Thor. Do you have evidence that your religion, whatever it may be, is more valid than these deities? As an Atheist, I find these and the God of Abraham to be equivalents, so I am not required to choose the correct one to avoid an eternity of God's justice.

[Brainstormy]

83. as do I. good post. n/t

[shrike3]

59. Pol Pot and Stalin were raised Christian.

Atheism did not make them better men. Religion may not transform, but neither does atheism, frankly.

I've thought for a long time that our problems are in our DNA. We share most of what we've got with the Chimpanzee. Chimps are a very violent species. So are we.

[TexasBushwhacker]

64. Dictators are bad regardless of their religion

or lack thereof. Stalin and Pol Pot weren't bad because they were atheists. They weren't bad because they were Communists. They were bad because they were DICTATORS.

[shrike3]

67. Exactly my point. Atheism didn't make them better men. Or "better, more responsible citizens."

Atheism has no more transformative power than religion.

[OldBaldy1701E]

79. So, what did being raised christian do to them, then? (n/t)

[shrike3]

87. Whatever Christianity did or didn't do to them, atheism didn't make any difference.

It didn't cause them to realize that they only have one life, one chance to do it right, as atheists have told me happens. it didn't turn them into better, more responsible citizens.

It certainly didn't make them think that life is more precious. It didn't make them better men.

Maybe people are what they are, and neither atheism nor Christianity can change that. Which is depressing, frankly.

[OldBaldy1701E]

99. Very true.

But I am curious as to why you feel that becoming atheist would suddenly 'fix' anyone? I mean this as a serious question. Both are just ways that humans use to try and explain their reality, yes? Although I guess that atheism is more about rejecting an explanation than it is offering one.

[shrike3]

103. Well, the poster said atheists "make better, more responsible citizens."

And listed reasons why. Decent reasons, by the way. I guess it was an extrapolation: if one became an atheist, wouldn't one embrace tenets that would make one "a better, more responsible citizen?"

I think we all hope for a world transformed. I do. It seems, though, that nothing ever does.

[OldBaldy1701E]

104. Very good point. (n/t)

[lindysalsagal]

20. But the worst is how they tell you to send your money...to......wait...

Um....I guess they don't ask for money, do they? Because they don't have atheist private jets...

[dchill]

23. Those atheist private jets make me so envious!

[ProfessorGAC]

53. Actually,...

...I've flown private a half dozen times.
Trust me, those jets are atheists!

[OnlinePoker]

21. Forgot tax exemption for their atheist buildings and tax deductions for their donations. n/t

[Martin68]

24. It's those atheist mega anti-churches that get me exercised. And their lack of holidays!

[NCjack]

25. Atheist haven't learned congregation economics. They don't build meeting

structures, employ atheist pastors to keep the atheist sheep in line, tithe and double-tithe to support and grow their non-belief system. Instead, on Sunday, they listen to operas, watch sports. During the other days of the week, they spend the money saved by not tithing. And, the immoral ones accept the "standard tax deduction" that is designed to help non-atheists underwrite the Christian belief system -- they really should not be allowed to do that.

[Ferrets are Cool]

30. And as far as I can tell, they don't beg or shame you for money

[certainot]

26. well, there is that sowb theory suggesting taliban /trumpism are masturbation cults

'sex on the wrong brain' theory and book suggests that the major religions are long term constructions used to satisfy the irrational need for certainty exacerbated/magnified by wrong handed masturbation. and susceptibility to those religions, which are used to increase sexual repression to help authoritarians maintain armies and power, is often a heritable mostly 'old world' problem.

the koran even left the secret of authoritariian power in print - it spells it out - "man can only have sex with his wife and that which his right hand possesses"

the muslim scholars interpret "that which the right hand possesses" to mean slaves and captives - so that's what's going on there now. girls andd women as the spoils of war. but it also means if you're not really celibate it's okay to cheat with the right hand - not the left - if you're too young or can't afford a wife or slave or the chief took all the captives. and there's a fantasy that goes with all that masturbating along with the rape fantasy, if you die there are dozens of virgins waiting for you.

the sowb theory suggests that's why 95% of humans are now right handed - the right handers generally had a greater fear of uncertainty which gave them a survival advantage - fear, suspicion, absolutism, intolerance- in times of conflict

religions use sexual repression to increase frustration and masturbation and use natural reproductive impulses to control, destroy, kill, and dominate and maintain the authoritarian leaders that perpetuate the religiion. in the case of the taliban and other fundamentalist movements it's old school authoritarian murder and mayhem to impose control/order over natural uncertainty (including that represented by females with less sowb) due to sex on the wrong brain-induced fear of uncertainty/need for certainty - recognized in modern psych as the main motivation or authoritarianism

[LymphocyteLover]

66. whoa-- never heard of that but it's wild

[Ferrets are Cool]

29. LOL

[twodogsbarking]

31. Atheists are just alright with me, Atheists are just alright,

Atheists are just alright with me, Atheists just alright, oh yeah
Atheists are just alright with me, Atheists are just alright

[getagrip_already]

35. Is there a term for someone....

Who doesn't believe in either God or atheism?

[Merlot]

37. atheism isn't a belief. It's a lack of belief.

Saying you don't "believe in god" is acknowledging there is a god but that you just don't believe in said god.

[getagrip_already]

44. thats word salad and wrong......

Saying you don't believe in god, or not believing there is a god, is the same thing as saying there is no god.

[Merlot]

48. Actually, it's not and you are.

[Permanut]

50. Not word salad..

Atheists don't see enough credible evidence to support the proposition that a god exists. That is NOT the same as saying there is not god.

[soldierant]

70. The definition of atheist is

a person who believes there is no god, that no such thing as god exists.

What you are describing/defining is an agnostic.

But then, there are millions of people who call themselves Christian (to name just one religion) who don't fit the definition. Why should atheists and agnostics be any different?

[Act_of_Reparation]

90. Atheism and Agnosticism are not mutually exclusive terms.

Atheism answers a question of belief. Agnosticism answers a question of knowledge.

One who is agnostic professes to have no knowledge as to the existence of a deity. You could, therefore, not believe in God, but admit you don't know for certain whether such a thing exists. You'd be an agnostic atheist.

[Act_of_Reparation]

89. No.

You're confusing belief with knowledge. Saying you don't believe in something isn't an explicit denial of that thing's existence.

[tonedevil]

91. LOL. /nt

[AZ8theist]

46. Wrong.

Not believing in a god IS NOT acknowledging said god. I'm personally an atheist that has not seen any evidence for any gods and am also convinced no such entity exists.
But perhaps I have misunderstood your post...

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

39. Agnosticism?

You don't believe in god, you don't believe there's not a god... you're not sure, so you're kinda somewhere in the mushy middle.

[getagrip_already]

45. nope, by saying I don't believe in the tooth fairy...

I'm not saying there is a tooth fairy I just don't believe in. It means there is no tooth fairy and all the stories are just fairy tails.....

I don't believe in the flat earth theory either. It's spherical.

[Lord Ludd]

65. Touche

[AZ8theist]

49. Agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief.

[Mariana]

54. Someone can be not sure about a thing, and not believe it at the same time.

For example: I'm not sure that I've never had Covid-19, but I don't believe I've had it.

I'm not sure that there's no such things as gods, but I don't believe in them.

[griloco]

38. Just like the Jews as related by Boris Grushenko in a

discussion with Father Nikolai who had sketches...
(Beginning at 0:45 in the documentary)

[Mr.Bill]

40. No atheist has ever knocked on my door and

asked me to not believe in a god. I promise, if atheists ever take conrol of the USA, we will not print "There is no God" on all the money.

[twodogsbarking]

56. Just print "there is no" on the money.

You don't have to be specific. Interdenominational.

[czarjak]

42. Scientology was founded so Mormons could have a religion to make fun of. It ain't rocket science.

[Permanut]

51. And the TV shows and telethons..

seems like there's dozens of 'em on every day, begging me to get unsaved, and also to send money.

[twodogsbarking]

55. We must find these Atheists and punish them by knocking on their doors

and suggesting they find their way to eternal salvation.

[shrike3]

58. Actually, atheists have been in my face more than once.

depends on which part of the country you live in.

I've met nice religious people and I've met nice atheists. That is all.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

60. I know an evangelical atheist. When he gets rolling, he can be very annoying.

I'm probably more in the non-evangelical agnostic category. I think I don't know, but I'm not sure enough about that to preach it.

Just a Bozo, muddling along.

[shrike3]

68. I've met former Evangelicals who after losing their faith continued the same behavior

while espousing their newfound atheism. Maybe it's cultural or even genetic: black and white thinking.

[Victor_c3]

62. I've known two atheists who fall right into that description

On the other hand, I’m an atheist but I just about never say anything about it to anyone. I even go to church with my in-laws from time to time and I volunteer quite a bit at that church as well. I like the general theme of Jesus, spreading love, compassion, and acceptance, but I don’t believe for one second that Jesus was the son of god or anything divine. Also, I get a huge amount of fulfillment from my volunteer work. That church last year donated in excess of $2,000,000 to the greater Toledo, OH area to helping underprivileged single mothers, giving them working automobiles and other financial grants. They also do a lot in other avenues of community work as well. This church never tells you what to believe, just to consider Christianity (which I pretty much reject).

The militant pushers of any belief system like religion or atheism are always the most annoying kind.

[shrike3]

69. I agree. I know an atheist whose best friends are priests.

He was raised Catholic, lost his faith. Has all these buddies who are priests. Then again, they are the type who got arrested for protesting the Iraq war back in the day.

[Quixote1818]

63. Something you will never hear: "200 killed today as atheist rebels attacked the agnostic

stronghold".

[BigmanPigman]

71. If one more Catholic "friend" says they'll

pray for me I will puke. I have held my tongue for way too long in this lifetime. Why do they think you want their BS prayers when they know they are meaningless to atheists? I just don't get it.

[NCjack]

77. In response to their blank 1000-yard stare, I tell them that

I will do a science experiment for them, and let's see which of the two of us gets results.

[shrike3]

88. When my husband got sick, his atheist friend said, "I can't pray for him. But I can send good wishes

Which are the same thing." I agreed and thanked him. When people say they pray, they're basically wishing you well, and letting you know they care. Maybe you can say something like, "I appreciate your good wishes, and am glad that you care."

[BigmanPigman]

95. That's a good response.

[Aussie105]

73. As an atheist myself

I constantly have to fight the temptation to ram it down the throats of others, and feeling superior while doing so.

And marching down the streets, dressed in full body armor and guns draped all over me, accompanied by like minded atheists, waving our Tiki torches and our pro-atheist banners? Got to fight that temptation!

Its hard. But I manage.

[New Haven]

80. title of your post ---redundant

no need to damn them---they are already going there -----

[rzemanfl]

81. I can see why you changed your username.

Did you age out of that phase or just reconsider?

[New Haven]

101. I don't understand your question

[rzemanfl]

102. You need to think like a Brit. n/t

[The Jungle 1]

85. Now more than ever

It is important we defend the separation of church and state.