Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:10 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

The way we killed Osama Bin Laden

is proof we didn't have to invade an entire country to do it.

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The way we killed Osama Bin Laden (Original post)	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	OP
We did kinda have to shit on their sovereignty, though n/t	JackintheGreen	Aug 2021	#1
I'm okay with that. n/t	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#6
Oh, believe me, I am too. Just saying n/t	JackintheGreen	Aug 2021	#20
So what. They killed him and left.	Prof. Toru Tanaka	Aug 2021	#16
Except the reason he left his cave in Afghanistan to Pakistan..	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#2
We eventually would have tracked him down	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#4
Are you sure during the time it would take to "eventually" track him down that..	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#8
No more than I can be sure someone else	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#9
Except that "someone else" wasnt responsible for 9/11.	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#10
And it was the last time	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#11
Intelligence certainly helps but that is not always the complete answer.	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#12
And there might be someone in any one of	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#13
As I said before someone else wasnt responsible for 9/11	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#14
Good talking with you.	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#15
He was never in a cave.	former9thward	Aug 2021	#21
According to most reports he was living in a sophisticated cave complex known as tora bora.	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#22
Tora Bora occurred after 9/11 when bin Laden was moving to Pakistan.	former9thward	Aug 2021	#23
Please provide links to your claims.	honest.abe	Aug 2021	#24
LOL. I was there in 2002. I can't link to that.	former9thward	Aug 2021	#25
In my perfect world, Bin Laden could have been surgically removed without boots on the ground	Brother Buzz	Aug 2021	#3
Yes , that's how it should have always been. Especially since he was found in a country	JI7	Aug 2021	#5
GWB refused Taliban offer to give Bin Laden to the USA	sanatanadharma	Aug 2021	#7
He was actually in Pakistan, which was supposed to be our ally	FakeNoose	Aug 2021	#17
Dubya did not really want to kill OBL. He let OBL escape.	keithbvadu2	Aug 2021	#18
Lots of truth in that.	Mr.Bill	Aug 2021	#19
Gotta keep that war machine going.	roamer65	Aug 2021	#26
I'm not sure	canetoad	Aug 2021	#27

Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:14 PM

JackintheGreen (2,036 posts)

1. We did kinda have to shit on their sovereignty, though n/t

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Response to JackintheGreen (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:22 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

6. I'm okay with that. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:10 PM

JackintheGreen (2,036 posts)

20. Oh, believe me, I am too. Just saying n/t

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Response to JackintheGreen (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:43 PM

Prof. Toru Tanaka (1,717 posts)

16. So what. They killed him and left.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:15 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

2. Except the reason he left his cave in Afghanistan to Pakistan..

was because of the US invaded Afghanistan.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:19 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

4. We eventually would have tracked him down

whether he went to Pakistan or not. W and Cheney wanted war so lots of money could be made. Their ilk have been profiting from war since WWII. That's really all there is to it.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:36 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

8. Are you sure during the time it would take to "eventually" track him down that..

he would not have planned and trained another batch of terrorists in Afghanistan.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:45 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

9. No more than I can be sure someone else

isn't doing exactly that.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:48 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

10. Except that "someone else" wasnt responsible for 9/11.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:53 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

11. And it was the last time

he or anyone else did anything of that magnitude. The point is we rely on intelligence to keep these things from happening, not invading and occupying entire countries for decades.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:00 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

12. Intelligence certainly helps but that is not always the complete answer.

I suspect our intelligence inside Afghanistan was limited. Furthermore this situation required immediate action as Bin laden might have been planning another attack post 9/11.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:05 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

13. And there might be someone in any one of

dozens of countries planning one also. Should we invade all of them? The invasion madness has to stop.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:39 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

14. As I said before someone else wasnt responsible for 9/11

Im done. Ciao.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:42 PM

Mr.Bill (20,224 posts)

15. Good talking with you.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:23 PM

former9thward (28,517 posts)

21. He was never in a cave.

That was a media creation. This is a picture of the remains of his headquarters I took in 2002 outside of Kandahar. bin Laden and crew were a very sophisticated organization with financial contacts around the world. They never lived in caves.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:31 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

22. According to most reports he was living in a sophisticated cave complex known as tora bora.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:41 PM

former9thward (28,517 posts)

23. Tora Bora occurred after 9/11 when bin Laden was moving to Pakistan.

bin Laden knew the U.S. was after him so he certainly was not going to stay in Afghanistan. In fact he may have gone to Pakistan before 9/11. That information is not known or clear to this day. But regardless the Tora Bora area was a short transition area for bin Laden and his leadership as they transitioned to Pakistan. They did not operate from there. Their stronghold during their many years in Afghanistan was Kandahar.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:43 PM

honest.abe (7,185 posts)

24. Please provide links to your claims.

As they don’t jive with what I have read about the matter. Thanks.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:29 PM

former9thward (28,517 posts)

25. LOL. I was there in 2002. I can't link to that.

If you want to read about bin Laden's long stay in Afghanistan then read away. Or not...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

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Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:19 PM

Brother Buzz (33,491 posts)

3. In my perfect world, Bin Laden could have been surgically removed without boots on the ground

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Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:21 PM

JI7 (87,742 posts)

5. Yes , that's how it should have always been. Especially since he was found in a country

that was supposed to be helping us. And I think this was another reason Biden isn't staying in Afghanistan.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 06:31 PM

sanatanadharma (2,670 posts)

7. GWB refused Taliban offer to give Bin Laden to the USA

Google search page, did taliban offer to turn osama bin ladin over to USA?

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Response to Mr.Bill (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 07:47 PM

FakeNoose (28,412 posts)

17. He was actually in Pakistan, which was supposed to be our ally

I still don't get why we call Pakistan an ally - but I guess it's beside the point.

Our guys did what had to be done. Our military is still the best in the world, in so many ways. The only problem was the delay in finding Bin Laden. Once he was found, he was a "dead man."