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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe squad voted against helping Afghan translators.
The bill that replenishes the resources for the Capitol Police and the National Guard depleted due to the January 6 insurrection also includes funding and resources for a program that assists Afghan translators who helped US and allied forces relocate.
Just so we know what their priorities are.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Perhaps you could elucidate those priorities, since you're bringing it up?
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)It shows they're not for Afghan translators getting to safety are they?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)And the primary 'gist' of the bill was the Capitol Police funding.
So, no, I'm going to say it doesn't 'show' that.
elleng
(130,861 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)It was more politically advantageous for them to defend their defund the police rhetoric than it was to show your support to Afghan translators?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Also, turns out the vote with the translator money wasn't the one-vote decision, I got them confused. The one with the translator money included was this one:
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-capitol-siege-bills-73c1d98b16dad647e671e9c125eab9d9
The $2.1 billion bill now goes to President Joe Biden for his signature. The Senate approved the legislation early Thursday afternoon, 98-0, and the House passed it immediately afterward, 416-11.
So, yeah. Entirely symbolic vote.
Fine by me.
You, I guess not though.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,239 posts)After the Senate sent the bill back to the House in July, it included an amendment to fund the aid to evacuate the translators.
A vote came up on July 29 to suspend the rules and and agree to the Senate amendment. The House debated and then voted on the motion to suspend the rules. All six members of the squad voted nay.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3237/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs
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The calculus behind the May vote might have been to be able to use either the talking point "I never voted to increase police funding (present) or "I voted against increased police funding" (nay).
Voting "no" vote in July meant that you were not in agreement to suspend the rules and accept the Senate amendment. without a new vote on the entire bill. All six voted not to suspend the rules and agree to the Senate amendment.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Now the nine moderates currently threatening speaker pelosi and president Bidens reconciliation bill might actually be able to screw that up
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)And
Because if gave police more funding while not reining in police brutality
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,239 posts)https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3237/actions
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Passed by 4:15 pm
No one could possibly have read it
And body cams only work till they get knocked off
Obviously the reason for the rush was their month off in august
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)on July 29 appears to be the Senate amendments, one of which concerned the aid to the Afghan translators.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3237/amendments
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)So we only approved money for 8,000 while the uk is starting with 20,000
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)a mark up copy.
Did any of the "no" voters say they voted nay because they didn't have time to read the bill or the amendment?
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Read?
Yes part of the reason they said they voted no was they had no time to read, understand changes
They were willing to stay and work on the bill but august recess won
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)Here's a link to a pdf of the 13 page bill.
https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr3237/BILLS-117hr3237enr.pdf
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The only "no" vote I can find who said he didn't have sufficient time to read the 13 page bill is Jamaal Bowman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/capitol-security-bill-senate/index.html
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Thats how we get legislation written by lobbyists
It passed 416-11 so I dont understand the up roar over a couple of symbolic no votes
You must be pretty upset that the 9 moderate democrats are trying to kill our reconciliation bill, huh?
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)So did Representative Jayapal and Representative Khanna.
Anyone who has concerns about or helpful suggestions on how House votes *should* be scheduled is free to write to Speaker Pelosi.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Because jayapal voted no with 5 other dems
I think you are confused with an earlier vote
lapucelle
(18,239 posts)Updated 5:19 PM EDT, Thu July 29, 2021
The House voted 416 to 11 on Thursday to approve a roughly $2 billion Capitol Hill security spending bill in response to the deadly January 6 insurrection, clearing the measure for President Joe Bidens signature.
The House vote came shortly after the Senate voted unanimously to pass the measure by a tally of 98-0.
The House voted 416 to 11 on Thursday to approve a roughly $2 billion Capitol Hill security spending bill in response to the deadly January 6 insurrection, clearing the measure for President Joe Bidens signature.
The House vote came shortly after the Senate voted unanimously to pass the measure by a tally of 98-0.
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Bowman told CNN that he voted against the bill because he didnt feel like he had enough time to review what was in it.
We just got the bill text like a half an hour ago. Absolutely no time to read it, no time to understand it, no time to digest it, so thats reason number one, Bowman said.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/capitol-security-bill-senate/index.html
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Still waiting to know if you are this concerned with the reconciliation bill being sabotaged?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I am tired of the fact that any time where there is a failure in our system of policing, the first response is for us to give them more money, rather than investigate the failings and hold those responsible accountable, Omar told The Intercept, explaining her vote. Ill continue to fight for structural change that actually centers peoples safety and humanity. That applies to us here in the Capitol, as well as my constituents in Minneapolis.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)But to be fair this was before 'Afghan visas' was part of the bill, and they appear to have voted strategically to make sure the particular, earlier 'one-vote margin' House version of the Bill still passed.
So this isn't one of the (many) things one or more them have done that've gotten on my nerves
I'm not a 'defund the police' guy to begin with. Its terrible messaging.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,086 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)there from someone in her District that's NOT favorable.
Rt TY
Skittles
(153,142 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)joetheman
(1,450 posts)Nothing happens in a vacuum.
elleng
(130,861 posts)Voted WHICH way? Consciously voted AGAINST a program that assists Afghan translators who helped US and allied forces relocate???
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Yes. You have that right.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)So, frankly, I don't buy into your storyline.
elleng
(130,861 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)You don't have to buy anything. What I posted is a fact. Just because the bill passes doesn't mean we should not know how people voted and question.
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iemanja
(53,029 posts)that favorite pols matter more than policy or principle.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)The bill you are thinking of was an earlier house version
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)questionseverything
(9,646 posts)The talking point the op is making is just not true so I feel like interjecting truth is important
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)I am unsure so please tell us.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,316 posts)were asking for a 20% budget increase from the $100 million+ they get for mostly traffic stops.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Thats one thing the squad was protesting
Go figure, they thought reading the bill was important
fishwax
(29,149 posts)the spending bill they voted against is one that they voted against for reasons other than the funding of programs for Afghani translators, and it's a bill that everyone knew was going to pass without their protest vote.
George II
(67,782 posts)....not a time for "protest votes".
The bill in question DID include expanding the visa program for refugees from Afghanistan.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3237/text
fishwax
(29,149 posts)The squad all voted in favor of expanding the visa program in July. Their opposition to this bill was (a) based on other factors and (b) inconsequential to the visa program because the bill passed, as everyone knew it would.
I am glad the bill passed. And I think that honest criticism of the squad for this, and other votes, is of course to be welcomed, as for all politicians. Distorting the record, though, serves only to divide democrats, and I think that's an unfortunate game for democrats to be playing, regardless of which wing of the party is doing it.
George II
(67,782 posts)...(there were 4 "not voting" ) voted for it.
It's "an unfortunate game for democrats to be playing"? The 416 who voted for the bill, including EVERY OTHER DEMOCRAT, aren't playing games. So who's playing the game here?
fishwax
(29,149 posts)But if you want to continue to engage in the politics of Democratic Party Division, then have it. I can't stop you.
George II
(67,782 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)and to conflate their opposition of the bill with their opposition to this issue is lazy and/or dishonest.
And to look at the tragedy of what is now happening in Afghanistan and see that as a fitting backdrop for these games of Divide the Democrats is something else entirely.
But, on the other hand, it's a volatile issue and a volatile moment, and shit's bound to happen as emotions run high, I suppose.
I just we as a party could direct our ire where it belongs.
George II
(67,782 posts)On this bill, for example, 97.2% of Democrats voted for it, 2.7% voted against it. 97.2% united to vote for it.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)If you think that attacking members of the democratic caucus is the best use of your time and is a legitimate response to the events in Afghanistan, then you do you.
If you think that sort of thing supports the work of folks like Pelosi and Schumer, or that it increases the likelihood of democrats being successful in upcoming elections, I think you're mistaken, though.
George II
(67,782 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)I'm not sure what part you feel attacked by. As I said, I don't think it's a good strategy, but if you're gonna you're gonna, and I can't stop you.
George II
(67,782 posts)...(with a capital D)
That's the point of this thread in the first place.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)This thread wasn't prompted by the squad attacking Democrats. If it was, it would address them actually attacking democrats. There is no such content in the OP.
George II
(67,782 posts)I can't post any of their tweets or communication where they do attack Democrats.
What I can post is some rankings from 538:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/house/
Of the 223 Democratic members of the House, below is their ranking with respect to voting with Biden's agenda.
Totally objective:
204 Henry Cuellar
204 Sean Casten
204 Vicente Gonzalez
204 Jahana Hayes
204 Pramila Jayapal
204 Elaine Luria
204 Gwen Moore
204 Seth Moulton
204 Tom Malinowski
204 Katie Porter
204 Kurt Schrader
204 Bennie G. Thompson
216 Jamaal Bowman
217 Ron Kind
217 Ilhan Omar
217 Ayanna Pressley
220 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
220 Rashida Tlaib
222 Cori Bush
223 Jared Golden
Budi
(15,325 posts)Defund resources for a program that assists Afghan translators who helped US and allied forces relocate...check
Priorities...check.
Sucks to be the Capitol Police & the Afghan translators, in this case.
Glad wiser heads prevailed.
Gratutide~
Lancero
(3,003 posts)No more, no less.
Frankly, I'd vote against the bill too if it started getting bogged down with requests for funding that are wholly unrelated to the bills intended purpose. If it's worth funding, make a bill for that - Don't treat it like it's a afterthought by co-opting a entirely unrelated funding effort.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Add things in it making it easier to vote for. We would never get anything passed if everything was stand alone votes.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)betsuni
(25,456 posts)Part of the job.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)So its the perfect time for a protest vote
They want to reign in police brutality, are you against that effort?
Bettie
(16,086 posts)People keep telling me when right leaning reps vote against bills that pass..."well, Nancy Pelosi knows how to count votes, so they had permission".
But, when someone more liberal votes against a bill and it still passes...there are cries of how evil they are followed by wailing and rending of garments.
So, it passed. Why the histrionics now?
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Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)But you're still off-base here, IMHO.
There was NEVER any question whether 'things were going to get done'. These kinds of symbolic votes happen all the time.
And their objection was never about not caring about getting the Visas for the Afghani allies.
Bettie
(16,086 posts)you'll be angry at their protest votes?
I'm guessing not. There will be some kind of excuse about how they have "concerns".
George II
(67,782 posts)"well, Nancy Pelosi knows how to count votes, so they had permission" in all my years of following and being involved in politics.
marie999
(3,334 posts)question everything
(47,465 posts)Six House Democrats and five Republicans voted no on the bill on Thursday. The Democrats who voted against the measure were Reps. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, Jamaal Bowman of New York, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Cori Bush of Missouri. The Republicans who voted against it were Reps. Chip Roy of Texas, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Bob Good of Virginia, Tom McClintock of California and Ralph Norman of South Carolina.
So don't try to alert for "promoting right wing agenda"
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)The $2.1 billion bill now goes to President Joe Biden for his signature. The Senate approved the legislation early Thursday afternoon, 98-0, and the House passed it immediately afterward, 416-11.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-capitol-siege-bills-73c1d98b16dad647e671e9c125eab9d9
George II
(67,782 posts)Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)See , thats how it works.
Someone who doesnt agree will hit the alert and try to get you suspended or banned.
All because you might disagree with them.
Ive contacted Elad about this and hes checking to see whos doing this.
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alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Good mix of divisive figures and obscure law making !
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)This is a Political Board.. Why should how pols Vote not be Discussed?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,086 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Generally, I support them, but I cant here. Sorry, folks.
Cha
(297,123 posts)iemanja
(53,029 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Details of the vote (for brevity only "nay" and "not voting" names below)
Yeas:
Democratic 213, republican 203
Nays:
Democratic 6 (Bowman, Bush, Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib), republican 5 (Good, Massie, McClintock, Norman, Roy)
Not Voting:
Democratic 1 (David Scott), republican 3 (Babin, Higgins, Jordan)
treestar
(82,383 posts)replenishing resources for Capitol Police and National Guard?
George II
(67,782 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)The Squad was against the general idea that whenever the police have a problem we just give them more money instead of dealing with the underlying issues or some such.
Not defending their logic only saying it's disingenuous to say they voted against the Afghan visas. There was previously a House version of the bill that was JUST that, and on that they voted Yes.
It's fair to complain about their 'defund the police' stance, which I disagree with as well. But their symbolic vote against the final bill (police money + visas) in no way undermined the Afghans getting their Visas nor did they oppose that part of it.
George II
(67,782 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Maybe they are trying to be consistent.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)malaise
(268,887 posts)Do they include the right to vote in the USA?
SYFROYH
(34,165 posts)https://bush.house.gov/media/press-releases/reps-bush-omar-pressley-statement-emergency-security-supplemental
On January 6th, some Republican Members of Congress and the former President incited an insurrection that they refuse to accept responsibility for and continue to deny to this day. A bill that pours $1.9 billion into increased police surveillance and force without addressing the underlying threats of organized and violent white supremacy, radicalization, and disinformation that led to this attack will not prevent it from happening again. Increasing law enforcement funds does not inherently protect or safeguard the Capitol Hill or surrounding D.C. community. In fact, this bill is being passed before we have any real investigation into the events of January 6th and the failures involved because Republicans have steadfastly obstructed the creation of a January 6th commission.
The bill also does far too little to address the unspeakable trauma of the countless officers, staff, and support workers who were on site that day dedicating fifty times more money to the creation of a quick reaction force than it does to counseling. We cannot support this increased funding while many of our communities continue to face police brutality while marching in the streets, and while questions about the disparate response between insurrectionists and those protesting in defense of Black lives go unanswered.
While we appreciate the efforts of our colleagues to put forth a supplemental that provides necessary pay to our essential workers, there must be a comprehensive investigation and response to the attack on our Capitol and our democracy, one that addresses the root cause of the insurrection: white supremacy. This bill prioritizes more money for a broken system that has long upheld and protected the white supremacist violence we saw on display that day.
We look forward to working towards systemic policy solutions that meet the scale and scope of the crises our communities and our nation face.
Sympthsical
(9,067 posts)Dude. Read the room.
leftstreet
(36,103 posts)...and yet here we are, everyone questioning how these blank checks to the military didn't prevent the current debacle
singling out these squad people looks weird
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)I am not sure why
I dont know if it goes back to the Hillary/Bernie wars
Or
If its because they are all women of color
Or
If its because of their progressive policies
Or
If it is simply to divide the democratic vote
Sympthsical
(9,067 posts)leftstreet
(36,103 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)Otherwise Cletus and Bertha will see that meddling AOC being lied about again on Hannity or Ingraham and be "forced" to vote for Louis Gohmert and Ted Crud yet again down in Buttfuck, TX.