The whipping of Joe BIDEN has commenced and won't diminish - from enemies, allies, & native wingnuts

[UTUSN]

ABC News is elbowing the Faux Propaganda Network to the swarming on BIDEN – hand wringing about how people *feel* over Afghanistan and a trillion bucks down the drain, and oh how there was no planning to evacuate everybody and how military brass was so insightful against BIDEN’s decision (yeah-right). ABC started out with the blaming and shaming since Sunday morning, let it fester all day, and then interrupted the evening game shows for a whole half hour of blaming, shaming, and “feelings”.

The wingnuts will Benghazi this a thousand times over, doing the “finger pointing” thing that W. Shrub was preemptively for himself against, at least through the next three years. How often over 20 years did they even mention Afghanistan, by the bye? They will be drowning out the real issues:

1) Who got us in there but then flipped over to a totally different random country to invade?
2) Afghanistan has a history of being unsuccessfully invaded – the real comparison to Vietnam.
3) If we had focused on the initial attack and then BIN LADEN and Al Quaida, then GOT OUT, we would have done fine.
4) Since we didn’t do #3, this ending now was going to be the same at any of the many opportune times to get out before this.
5) But the real ROOT CAUSE is our overall, over-arching foreign policy of trying to REINVENT countries, attempting to impose democracy where it’s counter to their own cultures – going back to Vietnam and Iraq, butting in with Latin countries, but really back to Woodrow WILSON’s “aggressive moral diplomacy.”
6) But even more rootful is American parochialism, ignorance about the rest of the world, and short term vision – which is why we have to depend for our spying on more international/cosmopolitan countries.
7) So what will allies and enemies alike think about our getting out now? That we leave others in a lurch? Yes, but more than that, that Americans are naïve.

*** Yeah, as is always said, they will whip us anyway no matter what. Doesn't stop us from having answers ready to bat them back down.

[JohnSJ]

1. This is the same media who were the cheerleaders for our invasion of Iraq based on a lie.

[UTUSN]

8. Yip, no need for them to reinforce Faux.

[greenjar_01]

2. The Biden administration bears some responsibility for the manner in which this played out

Reasonable people who are not obsessed with partisanship understand that.

Root cause as much as you like. The mismanagement of the withdrawal is manifest and requires accountability.

That said, I applaud Biden's courage in actually pulling off the damn scab and getting it over with. But there should have been more planning and preparation and communication with the American people about what was about to happen. This looks like an embarrassing ass over tea kettle retreat and no amount of rationalizing it away is going to help.

[UTUSN]

3. So for the sake of "some...for the manner" you come down on discounting everything else I said. Fine

[greenjar_01]

6. I agree with what you say

My point is additive: we should not dupe ourselves into thinking that there is no responsibility on the part of the Biden administration for how this played out over the last few months, including this week. There should be accountability as well.

[UTUSN]

7. No duping going on from me. It's not additive to repeat what the wingnuts will be spewing endlessly.

[greenjar_01]

9. I don't give a shit *who* makes a true statement

[UTUSN]

11. Except for *my* true statements, apparently. And since we're sharing personal preferences,

*I* don't like gratuitous foul language.

[Devil Child]

10. Thank you greenjar_01

[roamer65]

4. Waste of time and money to stay.

Pakistan is firmly in the Chinese camp now.

Iran is not a friend.

Time to go.

[UTUSN]

5. Yip, long ago.

[pnwmom]

12. Thank you, UTUSN. I've been thinking along the same lines. Your #3 is exactly what we should

have done.

And the media is having fun with this, demonstrating that they can hate on Biden, too.

[UTUSN]

13. Thank YOU & in Budi's thread, President BIDEN is handling the perimeter

************QUOTE**********

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215743856

Josh Rogin @joshrogin .@StateDeptSpox at 21:45 EDT:
"We can confirm that the safe evacuation of all Embassy personnel is now complete. All Embassy personnel are located on the premises of Hamid Karzai International Airport, whose perimeter is secured by the U.S. Military.”

******UNQUOTE**********

[PortTack]

14. Pointing out what ought to be obvious..anyone here criticizing President Biden..you got intel

Security clearance?

I will wait!

[renate]

15. I don't understand why the translators and drivers etc weren't evacuated a long time ago

Afghanistan was unwinnable but someone (not Biden personally, but the buck stops in the Oval Office) failed to plan for this, and now thousands of people who risked their lives for us are going to lose them, and it was avoidable. I pray I’m wrong and there’s a plan, but I haven’t heard any good news. It’s horrific what will happen to these brave people and their families. I’m a lifelong Democrat but I’m not a cultist, and our most loyal and bravest compatriots are being left to be slaughtered.

[BannonsLiver]

16. One thing that can be pointed out

We’re not spending loads of taxpayer money every day maintaining a presence in Afghanistan, something that should have ended at least 15 years ago. The whole sad affair has been a multi decade long exercise in mission creep.

[UTUSN]

17. Yea, "mission creep" while it was mostly ignored while the detours to Iraq went on.

[Hekate]

18. Thank you, UTUSN. I had the TV off all day and tonight. Tried 1 minute of local evening news...

…yelled at them for being idiots, and turned that off.

The universal swarming of Joe Biden was enough to gag a goat.

Visit me here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215741648

[UTUSN]

19. Thank YOU for this & years of content.

[pnwmom]

20. Yes, Hekate. The so-called "liberal" networks loved having the chance to attack Biden, too. n/t

[pwb]

21. Expected, my

T V has been streaming all day. No opinion today except my own. I am glad it is done.

[Initech]

22. Fox News wanted this war.

And they got it. Then they wanted out, and now they are getting the ending that *WE* said was going to happen years ago.

Really Fox News is the one that should be blamed for this mess, not Biden.