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Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:54 PM

Been thinking about Afghanistan all day, optics count.

We needed to get out but in more orderly manner.

Why withdraw so many troops until we got the civilians out.

We knew who needed to get out and we had time to do it.

Move people out every day and night.

This is looking messy.

The midterms are coming up and am worried about the them.

We need to keep the house and Senate or we will have our own Afghanistan here.

Our military should have left after the civilians.

Joe will get the blame no matter who made the decision.

The Taliban are attacking because nobody is there to stop them.

They are bullies.

It looks like Vietnam in 1975.

The Republicans are going to run with this.

Fuck Bush and Cheny for starting this mess.

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Reply Been thinking about Afghanistan all day, optics count. (Original post)
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 OP
Post removed Aug 2021 #1
Walleye Aug 2021 #3
Dopers_Greed Aug 2021 #5
Walleye Aug 2021 #8
rpannier Aug 2021 #10
Post removed Aug 2021 #26
vercetti2021 Aug 2021 #6
Hoyt Aug 2021 #9
Shellback Squid Aug 2021 #2
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #20
roamer65 Aug 2021 #4
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #12
Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #17
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #18
greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #7
MerryHolidays Aug 2021 #11
Hoyt Aug 2021 #13
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #14
walkingman Aug 2021 #16
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #21
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #15
ansible Aug 2021 #19
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #23
Raine Aug 2021 #29
LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #22
Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #24
alittlelark Aug 2021 #25
Doodley Aug 2021 #27
mike_c Aug 2021 #28

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:59 PM

3. Gonna save that statement for you. I think you're wrong

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Response to Walleye (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:00 PM

5. I hope so

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:04 PM

8. I am inclined a little toward wishful thinking so...

But I think a majority of the people in the US are behind Bidenís action, like they are behind almost everything heís doing. We shouldnít listen to the talking heads

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:08 PM

10. I think the problem is going to come in the next few weeks

If the Taliban start "executing" large numbers of people and stories come out about public floggings and the like I think that support will dwindle
Especially if those that are killed are people who supported U.S. troops as interpreters and the like and their families
That's where I think this could really go south

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:00 PM

6. You're right

What you said is the silliest thing I've read all day. It didn't end today. Jesus christ

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:05 PM

9. "Ended" may be a bit much since he can still take action. But,

this ainít good from a political standpoint, although itís early, and watching video on CNN of people urgently boarding planes to escape ó and knowing innocent people are in fear ó is quite disturbing.

Support leaving, but conditions have changed from an orderly drawdown to something ugly.

At a minimum, we need to save as many people as possible.

In any event, there is no right answer.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:58 PM

2. I believe the administration thought the Afghan army would hold out longer

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Response to Shellback Squid (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:34 PM

20. Didn't work out.

Could not fight back.

Just threw the weapons down.

At some point they need stand up for themselves.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 10:59 PM

4. Meanwhile, 600 people can't get hospital beds in Houston.

Another 100 canít get ICU beds.

From another thread, the ERís are telling them to go to EL Paso.

The pandemic in the South story will soon swallow this Afghan one whole just for lunch.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:12 PM

12. The stuff is hitting the right now.


Joe inherited a mess thanks to Trump.

On both issues.

He has done a great job but the Republicans are out to get him.

We know they want back the power they lost.

I have two Granddaughters and I want them to have a future.

They will not under the American Taliban.

This mess with the virus is to make Joe look bad.

Screw the economy, and have piles of dead Americans.

The Republicans are like the Taliban.




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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:27 PM

17. +1000

Well said.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:30 PM

18. Houston is in bad shape.


We have a lot of hospitals.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:02 PM

7. The finger pointing from State and Defense is increasing

The view at State is that if they started pulling people out or emptying the Embassy in earnest weeks ago, that would have intensified the collapse, and that they would have been blamed for causing the collapse of the Afghan forces rather than what they're being blamed for now, not being prepared for it.

It's a thin, whispy little pube of an argument, but it's all they have.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:08 PM

11. No Americans died. The Embassy is empty, and a 20 year "war" is over

I have no doubt that the Republicans will try to blame President Biden, but this ain't Viet Nam. How many protests were there about Afghanistan versus Viet Nam (basically none vs. a lot).

It's not ideal, but I trust Joe.

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:21 PM

13. Trust decision will be viewed positively in future. Short-term, not so sure.

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:21 PM

14. I protested the Iraq war .


We had no business in Afghanistan but to make a lot of money for rich people.

Our military were killed for what...






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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:25 PM

16. For what??? Because the US is a war monger nation. We worship the military

in America. It is dumb and stupid and mark my words it will happen again and probably soon. Who will be the next victim of our self-righteousness??

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Response to walkingman (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:42 PM

21. Both my brothers were in Vietnam.


One came back screwed up.

PTSD

One my brother's best friend died over there, lasted one day.

His helicopter was blown up.

Same thing.

Money for the rich.

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Response to MerryHolidays (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:25 PM

15. I trust Joe to.

I do not always trust people under him making decisions.

Who could not see the Afgan Army folding.
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Twenty years and what...

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:30 PM

19. This looks even worse than Vietnam, thousands are desperately trying to flee in Kabul airport

 

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Response to ansible (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:45 PM

23. I do not blame them.

Looks like 1975

I feel for the women.

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Response to ansible (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 16, 2021, 03:35 AM

29. Totally agree. nt

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:42 PM

22. Taliban co-founder and leader and 5000 Taliban fighters were released at TFG/US' request

TFG ordered released the head of the Taliban. This man will be the new leader of Afghanistan





TFG also ordered the release of 5000 prisoners many of whom are not fighting against the former government





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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:52 PM

24. Yep.

He had his evil reasons...

Everything Trump touches goes to hell.

I miss President Hillary Clinton right now.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 11:55 PM

25. I Hate bullies

Seriously. I was bullied and forgave them, but this is a whole different situation. ĎMení pretending to have a clue as to how the world works - given a golden shield that allows them any women they desire and kills any man that challenges them..............".


Is this not a video game your nephew plays?
Perhaps you as well?

It dis TIME to THINK.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Mon Aug 16, 2021, 02:38 AM

27. Complete and utter disaster all around for everyone apart from Republicans who are jumping with joy.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Original post)

Mon Aug 16, 2021, 03:08 AM

28. it was always a stupid, wasteful conflict...

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...and nobody ever really described what "victory" would look like. It was a vanity war for Dubya and Dick, neither of whom ever articulated any real, obtainable objectives beyond hoorah sound bites and slogans that the media ate up and amplified. There was never a rational end point that could be objectively achieved. Even the killing of Osama bin Laden-- in Pakistan-- wasn't enough to disentangle us from "the graveyard of empires."

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