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Fri Aug 20, 2021, 07:52 PM

My Trump loving conservative friends are claiming Joe is lying to the American public.

What did I miss? What are they talking about? Anyone know?

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Reply My Trump loving conservative friends are claiming Joe is lying to the American public. (Original post)
Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2021 OP
LakeArenal Aug 2021 #1
SMC22307 Aug 2021 #2
Fullduplexxx Aug 2021 #3
chowder66 Aug 2021 #5
treestar Aug 2021 #12
Fullduplexxx Aug 2021 #13
treestar Aug 2021 #16
Fullduplexxx Aug 2021 #17
MOMFUDSKI Aug 2021 #4
bullwinkle428 Aug 2021 #6
SpiceDoctor Aug 2021 #7
Caliman73 Aug 2021 #10
SpiceDoctor Aug 2021 #15
Caliman73 Aug 2021 #18
Caliman73 Aug 2021 #8
Mad_Machine76 Aug 2021 #9
Caliman73 Aug 2021 #14
lame54 Aug 2021 #11

Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 07:53 PM

1. Nothing or anything. You pick.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 07:56 PM

2. I'm seeing that accusation all over Twitter today...

but haven't delved in to see why... it's something specific.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 07:56 PM

3. Joe biden is charging people 2000 dollars for a ride out of Afghanistan

According to them ...Maybe it's that

Or maybe


"Biden said that 13,000 people have been flown out of Afghanistan since Saturday" L.A. Times

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:02 PM

5. State Dept. will not charge for evacuation flights from Afghanistan

snip...

People evacuated from Afghanistan by the U.S. will not be charged the cost of their flight, State Department spokesman Ned Price told The Hill.

"In these unique circumstances, we have no intention of seeking any reimbursement from those fleeing Afghanistan," he said.

The statement provides a point of clarification over federal law that mandates the State Department seek reimbursement for U.S.-chartered evacuation flights.


The law requires that Americans or other foreign nationals agree to pay back the cost of an evacuation, which is typically comparable to the cost of a full fare economy flight, or comparable transportation to the designated destination.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/568695-state-dept-will-not-charge-for-evacuation

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:28 PM

12. And then it would be the nation doing it

it's not like the POTUS is making money off of it. If it were TFG they'd be using Trump Airlines.

Further what would be wrong with it if they have ignored the warnings to get out for months?

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Response to treestar (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:31 PM

13. I'm not complaining just responding to the question

Perhaps they think he's lying about not charging

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:33 PM

16. I'm not saying you were just

commenting further on the dumbness of the right wingers complaining of that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:37 PM

17. Ok cool

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:00 PM

4. I am now

giving up my conservative friends. Have had ENOUGH. Will not be calling my good friend of over 40 years due to her racism. DONE.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:03 PM

6. Must be a day ending in "Y".

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:05 PM

7. There is nothing conservative about tRump.

 

tRump loving and conservative contradict each other.

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Response to SpiceDoctor (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:24 PM

10. I would have to disagree with you there.

They do not contradict each other.

Conservatism, for all it's BS about low taxes, small government, family values, etc... is really about who runs society and how it is structured. Think about it. Reagan, the prior modern vision of conservatism, grew government by 3 times the size. He cut taxes, but only on the wealthy, and shifted the tax burden onto the middle and working class. He raised taxes 11 times, but not on the wealthy. He just reverted back to pre New Deal thinking where the rich were rich, and everyone else was on their own. He maintained the racial animus that conservatives tend to have, though he was better at hiding it than Trump and today's conservatives. Poor white people were never really attacked by Reagan and the modern Conservative movement. The image of the "welfare queen" was specifically a Black woman and the "young Buck eating lobster", at no time in history was a young white man called a "young buck". Conservatives believe that there is a natural order to society and that wealthy, White, Protestant Christian, Men, who have been in charge of most European countries and the United States; are naturally the ones who should be in charge. Anything that maintains that order is fair game.

The extremists in that Conservative ideology move towards fascism. Trump has fascistic tendencies. As conservatives moved toward the right, he began to fit in more comfortably, to the point that he is the leader of the Republicans and of the Conservative movement. At the end of the day Conservatism is not a set of policy planks. It is a belief system that holds at its core, that certain people should be in charge based on certain characteristics. It is the same basic ideology that was proposed by Edmund Burke and Joseph DeMaistre in the 1700's with minor tweaks about just who should be in charge. They just replaced monarchs with Capitalists.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:33 PM

15. There is nothing conservative

 

about printing up $9-$10 trillion in four years as tRumpsky did. There is nothing conservative about making the largest .gov entity ever as W did with TSA and DHS.
The GOP is a PSYOP.

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Response to SpiceDoctor (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:38 PM

18. Okay. Can you define what Conservatism is about?

What are the core beliefs of a Conservative? Who founded Conservative ideology and what did they see as the end goal of Conservatism?

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:08 PM

8. I don't have any Trump loving conservative friends.

Anyone who loves Trump, loves racism, sexism, cruelty, swindling, and any other number of the most base human traits.

I have conservative friends, who I think are misguided, which I am sure they reciprocate the sentiment. But being a conservative, and loving Trump are worlds apart. If you love Trump, there is something seriously wrong with you.

It is like loving Charles Manson or Jim Jones.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:10 PM

9. I don't have any Trump-loving friends on my FB

or if I do they've not revealed themselves yet. But I have a lot of young left-leaning friends whom can't stand Biden and I feel like I have almost the same kind of arguments with them that I might have with a hypothetical trumpista- albeit from the left end

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:33 PM

14. Hardcore leftists can be tough too.

"You get the bullet too, you bougie bastard"

Leftists (like real, hardcore leftists) want to dismantle Capitalism and as long as there is a sort of kindly (but really not) figure like Joe Biden in the way, that day will never come. Leftists tend to think that Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the same coin because both want to maintain Capitalism.

The difference between leftists and conservatives is that leftists have no real power and will very likely never obtain any real power. Conservatives, despite their smaller numbers, have real and outsized power. Because they are so wealthy, they have the ability to shape narratives that the left will never likely have, barring some catastrophe where Capitalism collapses on itself. Then again, a collapse in Capitalism is just as likely, if not more, to lead us toward fascism or feudalism.

Some of the more pragmatic leftists, understand that Democrats are at least workable. They can be "reasoned with" where right wingers will just as likely kill you.

I lean more left but I also understand that "pure" systems of economics and governance are never likely to succeed in large populations with modern trading and such. I am sure I'd "get the bullet too" if the proletariat revolution ever came.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 08:27 PM

11. Only 29,999 to go

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