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Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:53 PM

I've Been Having A Hard Time Watching MSNBC As Of Late....

I don't know if I'm just catching watching them at the wrong time - but it looks to me that they are going out of their way to cast blame on Biden or the handling of the evacuation of Afghanistan.

In fact - most of what I'm catching in the MSM seems to take relish on the fact that Biden's poll numbers are dropping because of his handling of this Afghan mess that Trump left him with and also the rise in Covid based on the Delta variant and the fact that Repug's are working against the administrations efforts in dealing with Covid - encouraging anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers.

I'm totally fed up with the news coverage as of late. They are just not treating Biden fairly.

What I really appreciate about Biden and his administration is that they have been very visible, vocal and informative in both cases - the Afghan evacuation and the surge in Covid.

They seem to be going out of their way to keep us informed with the facts. All these so-called talking head experts are always taking unfair shots at Biden.

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Reply I've Been Having A Hard Time Watching MSNBC As Of Late.... (Original post)
global1 Aug 23 OP
Me. Aug 23 #1
Texaswitchy Aug 23 #6
FakeNoose Aug 23 #30
Texaswitchy Aug 23 #32
Budi Aug 23 #2
chillfactor Aug 23 #3
lunatica Aug 23 #16
Demsrule86 Aug 23 #34
Hoyt Aug 23 #4
Polly Hennessey Aug 23 #5
Lovie777 Aug 23 #7
Demsrule86 Aug 23 #35
walkingman Aug 23 #8
Srkdqltr Aug 23 #9
redstatebluegirl Aug 23 #10
Srkdqltr Aug 23 #11
Demsrule86 Aug 23 #37
Spazito Aug 23 #12
PortTack Aug 23 #18
lunatica Aug 23 #13
I_UndergroundPanther Aug 23 #14
wiggs Aug 23 #15
doc03 Aug 23 #19
Hugh_Lebowski Aug 23 #22
doc03 Aug 23 #24
Hugh_Lebowski Aug 23 #26
doc03 Aug 23 #27
A HERETIC I AM Aug 23 #31
PortTack Aug 23 #17
moonscape Aug 23 #20
FloridaBlues Aug 23 #21
Hugh_Lebowski Aug 23 #23
FloridaBlues Aug 23 #25
stillcool Aug 23 #28
Sherman A1 Aug 23 #29
7wo7rees Aug 23 #33
Treefrog Aug 23 #40
Crunchy Frog Aug 23 #36
Treefrog Aug 23 #38
Septua Aug 23 #39

Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:55 PM

1. I Stopped In For A Moment Just In Time To See Ms. Farkas

suggest the US is complicit in the future deaths of all the Afghanis...if I hear her correctly

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Response to Me. (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:02 PM

6. Always blame someone else.

Not Trump.

He invited the Tailban in.

Removed most of the troops.

Took out 10 airfields.

Did nothing but denied exit to Afgans that help
us.

Left President Biden the mess he created.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:29 PM

30. You forgot a big one - Chump let 5,000 Taliban POW out of jail

They're back fighting for their side, of course.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:47 PM

32. That to.

A real giant mess.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:57 PM

2. Easy to judge their bias by who they have as guests on their shows.

MSNBS for starters.

CNN is pointless

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:58 PM

3. same with CNN

I used to be a news junkie but now spend more time watching movies, reading my Kindle mystery books, and viewing fun stuff on Netflix.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:27 PM

16. Me too, with a couple of exceptions

Sometimes I pretend that I am watching a movie when things get stressy. It makes me aware that Iím watching history as it unfolds. Something I appreciate a lot. Thatís what it is, history.

Also, I approve of ending this putrid war. I hated it when the Bush administration called it the forever war. That was a foul trick to cover up the lucre aspect as an occupying force.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:16 PM

34. I love mystery books. Hubs got a job! So I treated myself to a Kindle Preston&Child book

Bloodless...excellent so far. I also read Janet Deleon. The Miss Fortune series. They have a good mystery and are hilarious.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:00 PM

4. Right now, there are not a lot of elected Democrats willing

to get caught in this mess. The few pretty much say they support pullout, but executed and optics suck.

Maybe if they get more out, itíll calm down.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:01 PM

5. Pointless is correct.

I can no longer take the stupid questions they ask and the blaming is so bad it is 😂 laughable.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:02 PM

7. Corporate media has been told to stay on bullshit messaging . .

Pres Biden will be ok. The withdrawal is on point and many are leaving and are safe. Social media in most part are relaying the facts so the message is getting out. MSNBC evening is the one to watch where facts will come out and apparently a lot of positive news.

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Response to Lovie777 (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:17 PM

35. I think MSNBC has been terrible both during the primary and since the primary...stopped watching

them a while ago.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:05 PM

8. I think it is a failure....not so much Biden but our intelligence services. From what

I heard yesterday the CIA told the Administration that the Afghan forces would be able to sustain themselves for at least 6 months after our troop departure - they collapsed in 2 weeks. That changed everything.

However, Biden is President and is responsible for what happens during his watch. Even in the best of circumstances I think the evacuation would have been difficult. I do wonder why the evacuation of Embassy staff and Americans did not happen sooner?

The next step of welcoming the Afghan refugees will bring even more strife - I hope it doesn't put all of the progress we have made in just a few months on hold. We need to push for accountability of the previous administration or else expect for it to happen.....and it will.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:08 PM

9. They all enjoy the controversy. If there is no give and take it's boring. No drama Biden isn't

Interesting.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:09 PM

10. MSM misses Trump and his constant turmoil.

If you look at their ratings post Trump they are horrible. People are not going to the media every day to see what stupid thing 45 did that day. Now they have to manufacture drama, and they are good at it.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:13 PM

11. Yes

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:21 PM

37. There ratings are terrible because of the way they report news IMHO...it literally made

me yell at the TV the way Democrats are attacked by even 'friendly media' like MSNBC and CNN. I haven't watched Chris Hayes since the night during the primary where he and some guest sneered at Biden chances to be the nominee for an hour...giggling like teenagers. That was it for me. During the election, I had MSNBC on but mostly without audio unless they were looking at numbers. And the last day I spent any time watching was on January 6th... I feel much more peaceful now.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:18 PM

12. They are all hyperventilating at the thought of ratings....

it's always about the ratings and they haven't had anything to hyperventilate and push as 'OMG' material by the Biden Administration until now. I am catching up on other non-political shows I like right now and am hoping they move on soon but not holding my breath.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:36 PM

18. See post #17

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:18 PM

13. I actually like and admire the Biden Administration

going out of their way to explain their actions to us.

Iíve always been a proponent of keeping the public informed all along. Itís good policy. It makes the public feel valued and respected and it tells us the ongoing facts. Itís also transparency in action. A promise kept.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:18 PM

14. Corporate owned news

Isn't a free press.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:18 PM

15. Because of media love of drama and political horse races, poll numbers are dropping merely on

the reporting negativity which does not come with background, analysis of motivations, history. No nuance, only alarmism...which sells more than nuance and balance.

THIS administration is fundamentally different than the previous yet the media reports as though something is fundamentally wrong with it rather than acknowledging the complications and history.

This WH is characterized by competence, empathy, public interest, and by a good man at the top. The reporting ignores the motivations of THIS administration, ignores the variables and dynamics of the place and instead reflects an unspoken implication that Biden and WH might run on greed, malice, cruelty, addiction to loyalty, grift, incompetence, cronyism, lack of organization...etc., which should sound like a familiar description.

Same with covid reporting

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Response to wiggs (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:37 PM

19. I hear Biden's polls dropped mainly for his handling

of the COVID. I don't get it, how is he at fault for those morons not getting vaccinated? As far as Afghanistan why did we turn over air bases before we got people out? I don't know how to argue with a Trumpster on that move.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:57 PM

22. Because the Afghan force (300K strong, well-equipped/trained by us) turned over the airfields

It was not our decision, and was not done in consultation with the US.

Recall that Biden was left with only 2,500 troops in a country of 38,000,000, the size of California and Oregon put together.

And he was told by Intel services that the Afghan forces could hold the cities for 6 months after we left, at least.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:02 PM

24. Yes but we heard for weeks that the Talaban was taking

over. Apparently our so called military intelligence really dropped the ball. I think once we get everyone out we should destroy the weapons we left behind, screw Russia or whoever donesn't like it. Put the Taliban back on horse back.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:09 PM

26. You're making the assumption that holding these 10 airfields was strategically important

Are you a military strategist?

Also note that Biden flooded in 5,000 troops to secure the Kabul airfield. Should we have made that 55,000 troops to secure another 10?

That's very much 'going in the wrong direction' during a withdrawal, and a force that size is not a trivial matter, logistically.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:13 PM

27. I sure hope they don't bring the cowards that we trained

and equipt to fight over here.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:35 PM

31. A Soldier who was involved with the Special Forces that trained those "cowards" you speak of

was recently interviewed and her response to that accusation, that those fighters were cowards and didn't want to fight for their government was;

They weren't cowards. In fact, she related they were among the bravest soldiers she had ever come across.

It wasn't that they didn't want to fight, they just didn't want to fight for the government WE LEFT THEM.

This idea that those individuals just dropped their weapons and ran away at the first sign of adversity is a myth. Once again, American foreign policy has utterly fucked up a country, and people are surprised at how the people in that country react.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:36 PM

17. If you want to change the narrative you have to Turn it all off! Tank their ratings

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:39 PM

20. I've also mostly checked out except for snippets here. I

try to catch any Biden press conference or address. Tivo shows as usual and ff to Biden when I know about it. Otherwise, Vietnam was enough living history for me. Canít bear images and desperate stories atm.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:41 PM

21. I feel same way I only do few mins mostly for Covid info.

All cable blast Biden for 9 straight days and nights, no surprise poll numbers are down. Biden and troops are doing what needs to be done.
The media next move will be why didnít you take more Afghan people out look at all the millons left even when they arenít Americans or people who helped us.

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:00 PM

23. I think the next thing will be the fights about where to put all the people we rescued

The Faux/Cult45 crowd is incensed that Joe is helping so many Afghans, and the fight over it will make for a pretty good story from their perspective.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:08 PM

25. It will be non ending.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:21 PM

28. Maybe this?


Judd Legum
@JuddLegum

Aug 19
I spoke to a veteran communications professional who has been trying to place prominent voices supportive of the Afghanistan withdrawal on television and in print.

They told me it has been next to impossible.

https://popular.info/p/where-are-the-anti-war-voices


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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:27 PM

29. Turn it off and leave it off

They are only there to fill airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 06:48 PM

33. DU is not for sheeple

MSNBC has no ties to the Dems like Fox does to the Pukes. They deserve more of our scrutiny than Fox even.

Joe Biden will be scrutinized by all observers, even here at DU. He'll make unpopular decisions like all presidents do, and we will hold him accountable to do the best for all Americans. So far, he rates pretty high.

But MSNBC is no ally to Americans any more than Fox. They are here to make a buck, and like Fox, they will stir shit up for the ratings.

They don't care about you. That's why they cancelled Phil Donahue, Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann, and Melissa Harris-Perry.
We will not prop up Chuck Toad or Joe or even Rachel when/if they lie to us.

Stay vigilant. Read as many sources as the Internet can offer. Support investigative journalism. Fight confirmation bias.



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Response to 7wo7rees (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:27 PM

40. ...



I like MSNBC and CNN. But your post is spot on.

I also can handle hearing things that might bother me occasionally.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:20 PM

36. I've been avoiding TV like the plague. I may peek in on Rachel at some point.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:24 PM

38. President Biden is going to be fine.

I really believe this.

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Response to global1 (Original post)

Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:25 PM

39. I agree but...

..that's what newspeople do. They're still dogging Trump so I'll give 'em a pass.

Joe will get the US and SIV people out, one way or another. Relocating a quarter million additional people, maybe not.

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