Rev. Jesse Jackson said today his wife was not vaccinated because of a preexisting condition

[StarfishSaver]

So let's hope the folks who've been calling Jacqueline Jackson irresponsible, anti-vax and an effing "moron" will back off and just wish her and her husband well as they both fight COVID.

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/jesse-jackson-doing-fairly-well-in-hospital-with-covid-19/

[MissMillie]

1. THAT is why people still need to wear masks... and need to vaccinate

Some people shouldn't take the vaccine because of medical conditions.

[StarfishSaver]

2. Exactly

[MissMillie]

3. Unfortunately, too few people

care about what happens to everyone else.

[DURHAM D]

4. I would like to know what pre-existing suggests not taking the vaccine.

From the article -

Generally, public health experts strongly encourage people with existing health conditions, such as cancer or diabetes, to get vaccinated as they are at increased risk for severe illness.

The Rev. has Parkinsons and he took it in January.

I am curious because I have a family member who won't get the vaccine because she has "pre-existing" except no one knows what it is
she has.

[StarfishSaver]

6. Why do you need to know?

It's none of your business. Her husband said she has a preexisting condition which should be enough - she has no obligation to tell the world the details of her medical issues.

[DURHAM D]

7. I am generally curious.

This is not specific about Mrs. Jackson. I thought that was obvious.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. Me too. I hear people using preexisting medical conditions as a reason to not wear a mask...

And I have the same thoughts - what condition?

[LeftInTX]

23. I have hard time with masks...

Especially outdoors in the Texas heat.

I usually avoid situations where wearing a mask would be too difficult for me...

I can wear them at stores etc...However, I do wear cloth ones, I even heat up in the blue masks....

I just keep my distance.....

[Ms. Toad]

27. Keeping your distance works outdoors -

But indoors the HVAC system circulates the aerosolized matter to people you are nowhere near, so you really do need to wear them indoors.

[LeftInTX]

32. I wear cloth masks indoors...

I don't wear the blue masks or N95 etc.....

Sometimes I wear blue masks, like when I was on a plane....

[former9thward]

9. Almost everyone at her age has a "preexisting condition".

Including her husband. That would mean elderly people should not get the vaccine if that were the case. The CDC has said people with preexisting conditions should get the vaccine.

[StarfishSaver]

11. Since you don't know what her particular condition is and what risks a vaccine may pose to her

given her particular condition, you really are in no position to judge her.

And I don't believe the CDC said that every single person with a preexisting condition, regardless what it may be, should get the vaccine.

[LanternWaste]

13. Did the CDC say people with *any* preexisting conditions should get the vaccine?

As that would be quite the contradistinction from your very generalized statement.



"Almost everyone at her age has a "preexisting condition".
Seems speculative, but I'm certain you have objective data to support it...

[Ocelot II]

8. It's none of our business.

There are only a few conditions or illnesses which might make the vaccine inadvisable for some people, but if she was advised not to get it for some reason that's her concern and not ours. https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/information-special-populations-and-covid-19-vaccine

[DURHAM D]

10. I have less than no interest about Mrs. Jackson's choice specifically.

I am just trying to learn something here but it seems to be pissing people off.

Interesting the reaction.

[StarfishSaver]

12. The reaction is based on some exceedingly nasty and judgmental comments

that more than a few DUers felt the need to express about a woman they don't know whose medical situation they know nothing about.

[DURHAM D]

18. The problem you have is that it wasn't me. nt

[Niagara]

17. I think your question is valid.

I have a neighbor who was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and went through both radiation and chemo for treatment.



Their doctor recommended not to get Covid vaccination since it's a blood cancer and the vaccination could make their lymph nodes swell, possibly mimicking other cancers.



My neighbor repeats RW talking points often, so maybe they just don't want the vaccination. I really don't know, but that's what they told me.

[DURHAM D]

25. Hi. Thanks for your response.

Please see my note below about my brother.

Still searching.....

[Ms. Toad]

28. Lymph nodes mimicking cancers is something to be aware of, but not a contraindication.

I've had breast cancer (one of the cancers swollen lymph nodes can mimick). At my last mammogram they asked about the dates of the vaccinations so they could be aware of the potential for false positives, but no one (GP or either set of cancer doctors) suggested that lymph nodes mimicking cancer was a reason not to vaccinate.

[StarfishSaver]

39. Perhaps your individual condition differs from some other people's

The fact that no one told you that your condition was a reason not to vaccinate doesn't mean that applies to everyone.

In short, we need to stop diagnosing Jacqueline Jackson and second-guessing her decision not to be vaccinated. We don't know what her pre-existing condition is and don't know what her doctors have advised her - And we aren't entitled to an explanation from her beyond what Reverend Jackson said earlier today.

[Ms. Toad]

41. I said absolutely nothing about Jacqueline Jackson, in this thread or any other.

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My response was a narrow response to a poster whose neighbor expressly suggested that swollen lymph nodes mimicking cancer was a reason not to be vaccinated (and the OP also expressly suggested they did not necessarily believe them, because they repeat RW talking points).

The specific, well documented, diagnostic concern is that swollen lymph nodes from the vaccine might mimic breast cancer.

In addition to being a well-documented diagnostic concern, it is also an area in which I have direct experience both becuase I have breast cancer, and because I had a mammogram after being vaccinated and know how doctors handle the matter. The possibilty that lymph nodes might might create false positives on a mammogram, or might feel like the beginning of cancer, is NOT a reason to avoid a vaccine. It is a reason to fully inform your mammographer so that the doctor has the information to ask additional questions, rule out false positives, and potentially a reason to alter the timing of the mammogram to avoid a false positive.

[mucifer]

22. It really has more to do with the treatments. For example some oncologists don't want their cancer

patients receiving the vax while they are on treatments because they are so weak from the chemotherapy.

[DURHAM D]

24. Good to know. Thank you.

My brother is fully vaccinated but has had a light stroke. He is trying to figure out if he should get the booster. He wants me to help him decide. I have suggested he talk to his doctor but he does not seem to trust his advice. I reminded him I am not qualified but his response was that I should use the google and figure it out.

[Ms. Toad]

29. The regular one - or the extra dose for vulnerable individuals?

Generic clots are no more likely from the vaccine than they are without it. There is a clotting disorder that is unrelated to regular clots, so I'm pretty sure a stroke would not be a contraindication.

Extra dose for vulnerable individuals? Probably not eligible. I've got an aggressive cancer and I'm not eligible.

[LanternWaste]

5. I'm confident those alleging her irresponsibility will humbly

proffer the inaccuracy of their speculative sentiments, as they themselves advertised their own lack of bias in the matter... at the expense of everyone else, though.

[Treefrog]

16. "...advertised their own lack of bias..."

Isn’t a “lack of bias” a good thing? Surely being biased is bad, eh?

[LanternWaste]

19. Alleging a thing doesn't make it so..

As I could easily and sanctimoniously advertise how effective my wings are when I fly to work... doesn't really make it true. Or even believable.

[Treefrog]

26. So being biased is good?

[LanternWaste]

37. They inaccuracy oof you inferences is consistent if not relevant.

But sure... we get it-- these same biases can often compel us to misinterpret the obvious and derail the actual points.




These 2021 incarnations are just as bemusing as their last iterations.

[Treefrog]

42. Proofreading is your friend.

“They inaccuracies of you inferences..” ???

Dude.

[druidity33]

38. I am biased toward science. nt.

[Kingofalldems]

50. Right wingers will never apologize.

It's considered unmanly---see right wing chickenhawk Rush Limbaugh.

[Treefrog]

15. This is also a good reason for people to stop celebrating deaths from this awful disease.

It’s really appalling.

[Hekate]

20. +1,000

[StarfishSaver]

33. Thank you

[leftstreet]

40. +1

[hamsterjill]

49. I want everyone to live.

Wishing for another’s death is simply not in my way of thinking. Karma will bite my ass if I do that.

The best way to stay alive right now, of course, is for all who can to be vaccinated, wear masks, social distance and wash hands.

[Hekate]

21. All the best wishes for Rev and Mrs Jackson

[pinkstarburst]

30. And maybe stop saying...

So let's hope the folks who've been calling Jacqueline Jackson irresponsible, anti-vax and an effing "moron" will back off and just wish her and her husband well as they both fight COVID.

And maybe people should stop saying those sorts of remarks about anyone who comes down with covid.

I hope every person who is capable of getting vaxed will get vaxed and that everyone will listen to science and wear masks. But people need to stop being cruel in their remarks (see the latest thread about the bodybuilder or the one about wanting to hike their health insurance rates.) It's still sad when they get sick. It's terrible when children are left orphaned. Has no one on this board ever made a dumb mistake? I didn't realize there were so many perfect people on DU with the right to cast judgment...

[StarfishSaver]

34. Why should anyone stop saying that people should wish the Jacksons well?

[pinkstarburst]

43. That isn't what my post said at all

LOL. Go back and read more carefully.

[StarfishSaver]

44. When you write: "And maybe stop saying" and immediately follow it with a direct quote

you should expect readers to infer you are stating that people should stop saying what you quoted...

Instead of telling me to read your post more carefully, perhaps you should carefully edit your post to ensure your point is clearer.

[pinkstarburst]

45. LOL learn how to read, Starfish

I was perfectly clear.

You wrote:

So let's hope the folks who've been calling Jacqueline Jackson irresponsible, anti-vax and an effing "moron" will back off and just wish her and her husband well as they both fight COVID.


I wrote:

And maybe people should stop saying those sorts of remarks about anyone who comes down with covid.

I hope every person who is capable of getting vaxed will get vaxed and that everyone will listen to science and wear masks. But people need to stop being cruel in their remarks (see the latest thread about the bodybuilder or the one about wanting to hike their health insurance rates.) It's still sad when they get sick. It's terrible when children are left orphaned. Has no one on this board ever made a dumb mistake? I didn't realize there were so many perfect people on DU with the right to cast judgment...

No one had any trouble understanding except you, who responded with:

"Why should anyone stop saying that people should wish the Jacksons well?"

[StarfishSaver]

46. Lack of responses to your post is not an indication that "no one had any trouble understanding"

It's more likely that no one found what you had to say worth responding to.

I will take their lead and follow suit.

[Lancero]

51. What's amusing is that Starfish has been defending them this entire topic.

You'd think that they would agree with your post, but no. Starfish just wants to argue with everyone here.

[JoanofArgh]

31. I know one of my co-workers wants to get vaccinated but has been holding off on his

doctor's orders. He's been having trouble getting his diabetes under control and his doctor told him to hold off until he had it stabilized because he was afraid the vaccine would effect it. She's probably unvaccinated on doctors orders.

[StarfishSaver]

35. No, according to the DU medical experts, that can't be the reason

[JoanofArgh]

36. Hell, she might be allergic to something in the vaccine. We don't know.

I do know that Jesse has been touting the vaccine since it came out. Had himself photographed getting jabbed, wrote blog posts for his website. I'm sure his wife would have gotten it, too if there wasn't something else going on.

[Lucky Luciano]

47. I hope they recover of course.

I don’t see anywhere in the article indicating a strong urge from them to get vaccinated if medically able. That would clear things up. Otherwise, not calling them out would be hypocritical if we can blast the tr&*p trash for not getting vaccinated and then getting sick. We should be consistent.

[StarfishSaver]

48. You're expecting Rev. Jackson to do "stronger" vaccine shoutouts from the hospital?

He said that his wife wasn't vaccinated because of a preexisting condition. But more important, you don't have any idea what he said the the reporter - for all you know, he DID "strongly" urge people to get vaccinated but the reporter or their editors didn't include that in the article.

But even if he didn't call of people to vaccinated from his hospital bed forcefully enough to meet your approval, considering Rev. Jackson has previously frequently urged people to get vaccinated - and in fact was himself vaccinated in public to send the message - and Mrs. Jackson has never publicly bragged that she wasn't vaccinated or told people they shouldn't get the vaccine, your demands of them are a bit much - as is your comparing them Trumpers who are proudly and loudly anti-vax.