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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:12 AM Aug 2021

Our NATO allies all knew the planned date for U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan

They knew that Trump planned to pull out American forces in May, had he won reelection. They knew that Biden extended the date for final U.S. withdrawal until September. Just like the the United States, our NATO allies depended on support from Afghan nationals to help run their embassies and to interpret for their troops out in the field.

And just like the U.S. they are all still scrambling to get their citizens out of Afghanistan by August 31, along with thousands of Afghan nationals who worked alongside them in their efforts during the war. Nothing forced those nations to wait for America to begin mass evacuations before they started pulling their own nationals and friendly Afghans home. It was not just the United States that did not foresee Kabul falling to the Taliban before the scheduled U.S. exit from Afghanistan in September. If President Biden was "caught flat footed" by the sudden total collapse of Afghanistan's central government, so was the entire world.

The United States faced a unique hurdle in that the former Administration worked effectively for four years, until last January, to sabotage the ability of the United States to accept refugees from Afghanistan. But no cliche is more true than the one that says "hindsight is 20/20. I am damn impressed by the ongoing effort the Biden Administration is now orchestrating to pull what will almost certainly be upwards of 100,000 people out of an airport in Kabul while the entire nation surrounding it lies under the control of the forces we had been battling for over twenty years. It is a breathtaking military and diplomatic mission.

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Our NATO allies all knew the planned date for U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Aug 2021 OP
The Trump sponsored treaty was divorced from reality shotten99 Aug 2021 #1
Excellent post. All very true Tom Rinaldo Aug 2021 #2
Also, hard to think of a better month than May to start a US withdrawal BeyondGeography Aug 2021 #3

shotten99

(622 posts)
1. The Trump sponsored treaty was divorced from reality
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:36 AM
Aug 2021

On January 20th, there were 2,500 troops on the ground. As you guys can see, this was not enough to facilitate a massive spontaneous evacuation of non-combatants.

This amount of manpower made certain that very move a potentially re-elected Trump or incoming Biden administration had no options to make for an orderly departure. Had we started transporting civilians out in greater numbers before May 1, it would have sent a clear message that there was no confidence in the sitting Afghan government or its military. It would have also encouraged the Taliban to start seizing provincial capitals at a greater pace than it had been in January.

A renewed NATO buildup would have broken the same Trump sponsored treaty and sucked us back in indefinitely. If they had actually cared about our Afghan allies, they would have been evacuated with adequate protection.

God damn Trump for this inept policy that will tarnish our foreign policy for decades.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
2. Excellent post. All very true
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:40 AM
Aug 2021

Had Trump somehow stayed in office, all of our Afghan allies would have been totally abandoned. Trump might have cut a deal to get Americans out, but everyone else would have been thrown to the wolves (metaphorically - I happen to respect real wolves a lot.)

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
3. Also, hard to think of a better month than May to start a US withdrawal
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:46 AM
Aug 2021

from the Taliban’s perspective. It’s just when hunting season, so to speak, starts to get into high gear.

Art of the deal, baby.

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