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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI would like someone to clarify just what our mission was
in being in Afghanistan. I understood 20 years ago that it was in retaliation for the Taliban giving safe harbor to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and to capture/kill Bin Laden.
When did it become something else?....which now sounds like (according to Andrea Mitchell's questioning of Blinken today) protecting and liberating all Afghan women....
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And make a shit ton of money for other defense contractors. Didn't you see the banner behind Dubya on USS Abraham Lincoln?
doc03
(35,336 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,763 posts)All we have seen is the map of a proposed pipeline. 20 years later and the meeting is still so hush-hush that America is not allowed to know who attended or what they discussed.
I think there is a good chance we would have invaded even if 9-11 never happened.
winetourdriver01
(1,154 posts)Apparently the real mission for the MIC (Defense Contractors/Pentagon) was to grift the American tax payers just as hard and for as long as they possibly could. That mission was remarkably successful.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Hillary Clinton has been arranging charter flights out of Afghanistan for at-risk women, reports say
Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who previously warned of the huge consequences of withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan, has now reportedly attempted to charter flights out of the country for the countrys at-risk women.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)But NOT the responsibility of the US Government. Am I wrong?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)brush
(53,777 posts)tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)Meanwhile 76% of Afghanistan women live in the rural countryside. They dont live in major cities like Kabul.
They were not seeing liberation that city folks got. In fact we probably made life more difficult for many of them since a lot of bombing and fighting occurred in the rural areas. Whether you agree with it or not, women were not allowed to work in most instances. But those women lost their husbands, fathers, sons. If they were totally dependent on men to take care of the family.
What happens when many of those men were killed? Some women lost entire families. The folks in the rural areas are dirt poor, some places dont have safe drinking water. Was Andrea concerned about those women?
Under The Radar
(3,401 posts)Pay close attention to the dates, and owners.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)... it sounded like it was to set up a stable, broad-based government. We didn't want to leave a power vacuum after initially deposing the Taliban.
Unfortunately, we lost focus by invading Iraq, and then it turned out to be much, much harder than expected to set up an entirely new country. (Maybe we should have realized that at the time.)
brush
(53,777 posts)W, however, had also gotten us in another and way more resource depleting invasion of Iraq that took focus off the relatively small dust-up in Afghanistan, compare to Iraq that is. That consumed our nation's attention for years and Obama's time in getting us out of there.
Two hot messes, thanks to W.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Worked out well.
ProfessorGAC
(65,031 posts)And many, irrespective of political tilt, were volcanically angry about 9/11.
Al Qaida needed to pay. The Taliban harbored them, and "you're either with us or against us". So, they had to pay, too.
But, as heads cooled, the "sales" point became liberating the Afghan people, especially women & girls, because only for right wingers was revenge a good enough reason.
Nation building ideas was marketing.
When bin Laden gave 43 the slip, some insiders started thinking dollar signs.
So, more marketing came into play (democracy, freedom, blah blah) to sell reasons to stay.
Once we got bin Laden in Pakistan, we should have started a "no deadline" withdrawal, taking anybody with us that wanted to go.
But, all in all, Afghanistan was about vengeance. Any other reasons were marketing plans.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)Is why isn't congress being held accountable? This is what happens when you let a president(s) declare and run the war. We still haven't learned.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)From Smedley Butler "War is a Racket"
I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1910-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.
In China in 1927 l helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
I had a swell racket. l was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions. l might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three city districts. The Marines operated on three continents."
General Smedley Butler, former US Marine Corps Commandant, 1935
Afghanistan, 1979-92:
Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights? What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population.
https://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html