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[bottomofthehill]

1. Cool British slang

To me, it’s the vaccine.

[48656c6c6f20]

16. Oh in rspons to th post

I'v dcidd the lttr * is a right wing jab and will nvr us an * again. I will not b jabbd by right-wing nut jobs.

[musette_sf]

2. It's British "lingo".

The British have called what we call "shots", "jabs", for quite some time.

[ananda]

3. Really?

I don't really care.

[Celerity]

4. Ridiculous. A shot of any sort is called a jab or a stick for ages, decades.

In many nations.

smdh

[Cousin Dupree]

13. No, it's not ridiculous. And don't be rude. You might want to read responses 8 and 11 below

for a different perspective.

[leftstreet]

18. WTF? Neither explains how it's "RW lingo."

The posters find it offensive

So is anything offensive RW lingo?

[FBaggins]

20. Nope. It is ridiculous and Celerity was in no way rude

You don't get to invent a fictional RW source just to buttress your own preference for a given term.

If someone doesn't like "shot" for an injection that fine... but it would be similarly ridiculous to make up a claim that the word is meant to be disrespectful and comes from RW gun nuts trying to boost firearms sales.

hlthe2b's later response is a more reasonable position (if perhaps overly energized)

[Celerity]

21. Not being rude at all. Calling an injection/shot/vax of any sort a jab

is NOT a RW construct and people are free to choose to use the term. You are trying to arbitrarily become the judge and jury of what is proper and what is not.

Being London raised, and now living in Sweden, (and FAR from limited to just those nations) the term jab is old and so not RW. People would laugh in your face if you insinuated they were RW or using RW constructs simply for by calling a vax a jab. The same holds true for many American's use of that colloquialism.

Do you take issue with calling it a shot? A stick? This entire thing is such a non starter and an attempt, IMHO, to unnecessarily spin up conflict.

[obamanut2012]

30. I am USA raised, quite a bit older than you (I think)

Nurses all over my family -- it's your MMR jab, your flu stick, your Dolly jab, etc.

The OP is being odd about this.

You weren't rude at all.

[Celerity]

40. dolly jab as in Dolly Parton? I like that!

thanks for the reply

[obamanut2012]

94. Yes!

She helped fund the Moderna vax, so folks affectionately call it the Dolly Jab.

[Celerity]

104. shame they are all closet RWers, according to the OP

so folks affectionately call it the Dolly Jab

[Sympthsical]

135. This is one of my favorite bits of trivia for the week n/t

[obamanut2012]

28. Yes, it is ridiculous

It has been called that in the US for forever. It is not RW.

And, Celerity wasn't being rude. Perhaps you are.

[Treefrog]

86. Celerity was in no way rude.

You and your sidekick, on the other hand, have repeatedly been rude to those who disagree with you on this point.

Why so important to make everyone think like you? We all have different opinions here. This seems like a vey odd hill on which to die.

[cinematicdiversions]

169. So if I grab a torch to find my trainers in the boot I am a Magat?

Seriously this is kinda sad and kinda hilarious.

Reminds me of that Black Hole is racist kerfuffle from a few years back.

[George II]

266. Yes, I noted in post #264 below, calling an injection a jab (or even stick) is not uncommon and....

....has absolutely no political connotations or hints or anything. It's a term used frequently. Stick is even more common, especially among diabetics.

My wife was a nurse for 40+ years, she and coworkers often used it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. lol what

[XanaDUer2]

7. Worse than "shots"

shots sounds violent

[hlthe2b]

8. Thank you. I've been gritting my teeth for more than a year now seeing/hearing this

Do people think it is "cute?" That such crude reference to a very miraculous preventative is respectful to the professionals who have worked around the clock to develop and administer it?

I correct HCWs working with me who refer to "the jab" or "a stick" or other ridiculously immature terms. As far as I am concerned if you are going to work in the health "profession," then be professional. It is an inoculation or a vaccination or an immunization or an injection--even a "dose" or a "booster."


To those upstream denouncing the OP for this post, I really don't care who tells me to "chill out." This is my profession and it makes a damned difference. If you don't approach it in a professional manner, why would we expect the lay public to take us seriously? (Not to mention all the fearful, for whom "jab" or "stick" is hardly going to lower their anxiety.

Call it what you will. But, if you work in health care or give a damn about encouraging others to take the vaccination then, you earn my contempt by doing so..

[Cousin Dupree]

11. I am a nurse. I find the term offensive. And I agree with you 100%

[Effete Snob]

31. Damn the BBC!

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58317261

Covid jab response low for some immunosuppressed people


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58340779

Covid jab side-effects 'mild' for at-risk children

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/26/parents-demand-final-say-whether-children-get-covid-jab/

Parents demand final say over whether children get Covid jab

That is why speakers of British English, such as longtime DUer Malaise, use "jab"

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15412363

Star Member malaise (234,347 posts)
5. Will have my second jab on June 1

Stay safe

or how about:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215208263#post25

mzmolly (49,541 posts)
25. I had my jab today and was told I can take tylenol or ibuprofen etc. if needed.

I'm sorry, but I really want to hear how you've been gritting your teeth and taking offense at a 234K count DU poster who consistently uses the word "jab", consistent with the British English environment in which she was raised.

Lots of people use "jab" for "shot", and the mere fact one may not live in a diverse area where one picks up on these differences is not a reason for offense.

It is regionally-dependent, just like "soda" and "pop" and countless other word choices that reflect the influences to which one has been exposed.

[obamanut2012]

32. Well, I know many, many nurses

Both in my family, as friends, and professionally. The supermajority call it a stick or jab. My Ph.D. NP with 30 years experience calls it a stick. She is very active in SOFL Dem politics. I need to tell her she is offensive and a RW construct.

You are woefully off base here.

[hlthe2b]

42. Many nurses refer to "paps" and "mamms" for pap smears and mammograms.

Not professional either, but they believe it ingratiates themselves or brings relatability to their patients. Fine. I do believe in "knowing your audience."

But, using terms that instill anxiety in those already reluctant to receive the immunization, such as "jabs" or "sticks" or "needle-jab" instead of professional terms is problematic.

One can defend anything. Certainly.

I am fortunate to work among much more professional individuals who are very cognizant of the unintentional harm we can do.

[obamanut2012]

95. Okay

Backing away........

Bless your heart.

[Treefrog]

153. That poster thinks it's ok to insult your family and friends.

She insulted me too, which I find odd just for a difference in opinion. o

[Treefrog]

145. So you just insulted that poster's family and friends by calling them unprofessional.

Why did you feel the need to insult me and others on this thread?

Simply because we didn’t agree with you?

[Effete Snob]

165. Having a rough day, probably

It happens to us all.

[Treefrog]

166. True enough.

[Effete Snob]

167. Judging by the DM I just got

It's a really, really rough day.

[Treefrog]

170. Omg. I love those!

I’ve had a few myself!

Surprised I’ve not gotten one from that poster!

[Effete Snob]

210. Why would anyone ever send someone a note

To let them know that they are ignoring the recipient thereof?

Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

[ShazzieB]

250. Can we at least call it a "needle stick" when a needle is inserted to draw blood?

That is not an injection, as you know, because you're taking something out instead of injecting something into the body. Is it okay to say "blood draw" or is that also too colloquial? I'm not being 100% facetious here. I really don't know what the technical term is for this procedure; I've never heard it called anything other than "needle stick" or "blood draw."

To be honest, I think trying to control what common words people use to describe commonplace things is an exercise in futility and a recipe for frustration. Use the words you think best, sure, but when you start lecturing other people about what words they "should" be using, all you're going to do is make enemies. That's simply the truth of the matter.

Granted, there are some language battles that are very worth fighting, such as calling people out for using language that is racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, ageist, ableist, etc. But to admonish someone for using words like "jab," "shot," "poke," "stick," or even "stab" to describe a needle being LITERALLY being inserted INTO their body is, well, silly, to be quite honest. Everybody knows what an injection is. Everybody knows there's a needle involved.The word you call it by doesn't change a thing.

[TxGuitar]

242. and how many nurses and other HCW

When trying to start an IV or draw blood will comment whether or not someone was a good or bad stick (referring to how easy it was to find a vein)?
I don't understand how in the world someone could be offended by this.

[ShazzieB]

254. Me, neither, TxGuitar!

This whole thing is baffling to me!

[Treefrog]

24. In England, pretty much any shot is called a "jab".

It’s not against the vaccine. Jesus, people really look for stuff to be outraged about. Smh.

[hlthe2b]

25. In England, they freely call women the "c" word. Not here. Take it elsewhere.

And re-read my post above.

[Celerity]

41. In the UK and the Commonwealth (far from just England) the c and t words are used to label men the

vast majority of the time, but I understand and respect the fact that this is an American board, so refrain from using them here.

[hlthe2b]

43. It wasn't clear that you did recognize that fact.

Nor some others given the arguments being made. Just saying...

[Celerity]

48. You replied to another poster. I made no mention of the word England until my reply

to you just now. I have made no statements here that suggest a lack of understanding.

[hlthe2b]

50. that you understood this was a US-based board.

[Celerity]

57. Lolol, now that IS ridiculous, to posit I was not aware of that fact.

And don't try to fob off 'jab' as some nefarious British invasion, nor that it is some RW construct.

[hlthe2b]

65. I do not. It is old slang and very unprofessional and self-defeating terminology for

medical professionals to be using at the very time we are trying to instill both confidence in the vaccine and medical professionals and to lower the anxiety level among those hesitant and perhaps, injection/needle-fearing. I have given of my spare time greatly to administer vaccines at mass clinics in Colorado as have many of my colleagues. I have skin in the game and I care about getting everyone we possibly can vaccinated.

Self-defeating strategies are not those I'm going to support. I don't give a GD who says it among the lay public or media. It is not helpful. I am in a position to KNOW, firsthand. Your very self-serving objection aside, this matters.

[Celerity]

67. No, no it is not. It is simply your particular, individual dislike, writ large in an attempt to

force your own personal dislike unto others and thus to universalise your judgement.

[Celerity]

70. you need a bigger cup, m8 nt

[Treefrog]

109. Hon, we ALL have skin in this game.

Just sayin’.

[Treefrog]

59. Thank you.

This thread is a hoot.

[Celerity]

66. it is taking a personal dislike and falsely attributing a RW background to it in order to word-shame

via loaded political framing. In addition, other attempts trying to make to take one example of British v American vernacular and then broaden that out via implied negative association to include something (in this case jab) else that a few do not like.

[obamanut2012]

89. Then thing is, we use jab and stick here in the US

At least amongst my many healthcare friends and family, and Moderna has been called the Dolly Jab for months and months, in an affectionate way, since Dolly Parton helped fund it.

This thread is odd.

[Celerity]

99. Yes, I tried to point out that it simply is not a 'US versus the UK' thing.

I should have added that many US healthcare workers use that colloquial descriptive as well. Sorry for not being more clear.

[Sympthsical]

140. Wait, what is the t-word?

I lived in England for a number of years, and I'm completely blanking.

Unless it's tosser, which doesn't have an American equivalent, so I don't think you'd censor for that.

[leftstreet]

144. ...

probably T_ _ T

has a w and an a in there somewhere

[Celerity]

154. t w a..........

We pronounce it differently (as I am sure you know) than Americans do (for us Brits it rhymes rhymes with prat, another word we use a lot, along with git, nob, wanker, numpty, divvy, etc etc etc, and the lovely Scots expressions bawbag, shitehawk, bampot, rocket etc etc) and use it much more frequently, and again, mostly directed against men (think BoJo, lol).

as for tosser

I would say Americans use jack-off or jag-off (was told that is a Chicago thing) in lieu of tosser.

The globalisation of mass media and entertainment, especially via the internet, means lot more regional and/or nation-state specific cultural vernacular and colloquialisms are shared and used than just a few decades ago.

[Sympthsical]

184. Ohhhhh

I don't hear Americans use that word ever. And while it does have a vulgar genital connotation here, I think it's pretty aged out for the most part. I only see the British use, and even then that's mostly on places like Reddit where the user probably is British.

Straining to think if I've ever heard someone from my generation use it to refer to genitals. I mean, probably. But so uncommon as to be almost non-existent.

Now I want to start calling people that. It's a fun word to say!

Jag-off was definitely one of my father's favorite terms. I still use jag instead of jack. We're both deeply Chicagoan types. Gotta say it with the accent!

[Celerity]

203. we also use male genitalia as an insult a tonne, such as bellend, todger, knob, tonk, chopper,

pronger, pego, etc etc etc.

Not an insult term, but I often use jacobs for testicles/balls/nuts

He caught the old bovver boots right in jacobs.

it London cockney rhyming slang

Jacob's Crackers (rhymes with knackers) and knackers is slang for balls

[Coventina]

222. The Cramps say, "Jackyard Backoff"

Just adding to the general silliness of this thread...

[Celerity]

233. loooooove The Cramps (HATE the cramps, lol)

[Coventina]

272. Et moi aussi!

Saw them twice.

Sadly, will never get to see them again....

[muriel_volestrangler]

229. Well, since you mention 'jag' - see reply #223(nt)

[Treefrog]

54. Oh please, like that's comparable?

I have a cousin who is a retired nurse in Ireland, and she’s used that term forever. A younger cousin is a nurse in Wales; she also uses the term.

Neither is right wing, and I’ve never heard either use the c word. Omg, still laughing here.

[Treefrog]

74. My goodness, resorting to personal attacks now?

Why is this so important to you? Why is it vital that others agree with you? Obviously they don’t.

if you don’t like the word, don’t say it. Can’t imagine getting so upset over a word like “jab.”

[Treefrog]

78. Oh dear. Something unpleasant in the Cheerios this morning?

Doubling down with another attack…my, my, my.

[Treefrog]

80. Where did I lie, pray tell?

Hmm?

[Treefrog]

96. Guess I won't get an answer.

[XanaDUer2]

72. I'm from an Irish-British background

and I call it a "jab" on my Facebook, I posted "got my first jab".

[Treefrog]

75. Thank you. All my Irish and Welsh family call it the jab.

Amazing someone is so upset about it.

[LanternWaste]

247. Upset indeed...

Ain't seen nothin' like it since the melodramatic and dogmatic insistence over use of 'Afghani ' in a sentence.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... So amazing. So upset.

[Treefrog]

56. Take what elsewhere hon?

Nah. Staying right here.

[BannonsLiver]

90. Wait till you hear what their slang is for cigarettes.

[Treefrog]

98. Bwahaha!

This thread is a blast!

[XanaDUer2]

121. omg lol!

[Effete Snob]

172. I used to smoke with an Indian office mate long ago

Back when, you know, people who didn't grow up in the United States still managed to live here and get by with the English they learned as a youth.

And back when I used to smoke.

He'd pop his head around the corner and say "... mate?", I'd say "yes", and people would wonder where we were sneaking off and to do what.

He's a US citizen now, like many people who live in the US, have opinions, and express them on message boards.

[cinematicdiversions]

174. No they call mates the C word. It is not directed at woman. Nt

[Skittles]

271. no, the c word in England is NOT reserved for women

nope

[Effete Snob]

33. I want you to explain this to Malaise

Malaise, from Jamaica, is more influenced by British English than American English. Note:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15412363

Star Member malaise (234,347 posts)
5. Will have my second jab on June 1

Stay safe

It's common, and I doubt Malaise is a right wing mole of some kind.

[hlthe2b]

34. Nowhere have I said anything of the kind.

I will not address comments I never made.

Address your comment to the person who made the statement you disagree with.

[Effete Snob]

162. Allow me to quote you:

You grit your teeth and have contempt for people ""who refer to "the jab" or "a stick" or other ridiculously immature terms."

People who use "jab" "earn my contempt by doing so."

Now, I'm sure you can Google (user) (word) site:democraticunderground.com with the best of us, or even "jab covid site:democraticunderground.com" and come up with a long list of persons on DU who whether having a Caribbean British-English language background, or Irish or UK or Indian background, of simply by exposure to persons who do, such as the entirety of British-English media, fall into the category of people who use "jab" because it is a common word for "shot" in British English and its progeny throughout the greater English-speaking world. I'll bet Ozzies, Kiwis and Kenyans do it too, and probably a fair number of Canadians.

I did not mean to pick on Malaise, but I simply guessed that "jab" would probably be her preferred word because English speakers in the Caribbean tend more to British English than American English, seasoned of course by the local patois.

It's a big country with people from lots of places in it. Some say "soda" and some say "pop". Some have a "sub", some have a "hero", some have a "po boy" and some have a "grinder", and some folks even use these words for two to three different types of sandwich.

Simply because you are not familiar with the common use of "jab" which is certainly less scary than getting "shot", is no reason to hold others, particularly fellow DUers, in contempt.

[ShazzieB]

257. Well stated! Bravo!

[Treefrog]

55. Lol, thank you.

[steve2470]

36. I do understand where you are coming from

My situation was similar, when I was working. People would commonly say "crazy" or "nuts', etc when the proper terms were Bipolar or psychotic or schizophrenic, etc.

I chose not to confront people. I felt like I would be King Canute ordering the sea to retreat. However, I respect your choice and have no criticism or advice.

[BannonsLiver]

116. How does one be rude or insensitive to an inanimate object?

For example I could see how someone with bipolar or other mental illnesses might be hurt or offended by the liberal use of the words crazy and nuts. I’m not seeing how a syringe could be offended by being called a jab.

[steve2470]

120. I think her point is that the proper or professional term should be used

I can understand that point of view. She chooses to confront others on it. I don't think she is saying or implying the syringe is "offended" but more that injection-wary people might be affected. I think I have her opinion correct. If not, please correct me, hl2b.

I chose just to accept the very common fact of the usage of "nuts", "nutjob", "crazy", etc. I am sure other mental health professionals chose to confront.

[muriel_volestrangler]

219. On the other hand, injection-wary people might prefer an informal vocabulary

to make it seem more 'everyday'. I don't think it's right to confront anyone on using informal expressions online. If a particular patient seems like they'd prefer to keep the vocabulary medical and exact, then that would be a good idea in that case.

[leftstreet]

46. But do you agree that it's "RW lingo?"

You gave a thoughtful response in terms of professionalism

But the OP also claims it's "RW lingo." Since you didn't address that, your response can seem like an endorsement of the entire statement

[hlthe2b]

47. Read my own post. I do not respond to comments I never made but others-- who can't argue the issue

bring up as a convenient strawman. It is disingenuous and not worthy of you.

[leftstreet]

49. Sorry, that wasn't my intention

You thanked the OP, so yes your response seemed like an endorsement of his/her entire statement

[hlthe2b]

52. DUers should be able to reference from anothers post what they are agreeing with.

My original post speaks for itself.

[BannonsLiver]

93. Yes, and I find the logic to be a bit of a reach.

It certainly was not well informed.

[leftstreet]

125. Okay

Fair enough

[Jim G.]

127. See Post # 53

And the sub.

It is a RW slur & whether or not it's used differently overseas is irrelevant.

[leftstreet]

132. No

This has been explained

It's not a "RW slur," it's a term you personally noticed a troll using on DU

If you notice a troll using "petrol" instead of "gas," will you deem petrol a RW slur?

[Jim G.]

146. You Might Not Be Aware It's Used As A Slur

But I know for a fact that it is.

Nothing has "been explained" either. Just argued.

[leftstreet]

150. Well since you're on MIRT, you're the expert

explains a lot about DU actually...

[Treefrog]

164. No kidding.

Just used my time on du to insult me, or so he thinks.

I find post count and time on the forum insults to be incredibly lame.

But, coming from someone on MIRT, I should feel chastised I guess?

I’ve lurked here for many years, and I have NEVER seen a MIRT member even refer to being such except in a helpful manner. No words.

[XanaDUer2]

173. we all start at one post and one day here on DU

I lost over 10,000 posts when I came back. Started back at zero.

[Treefrog]

176. Exactly.

I’ve noticed when people use that insult. Usually because they’ve got nothing else.

Funny in a way, but I find this guy being on MIRT to be showing a prejudice which is troubling.

[XanaDUer2]

186. if I was on it, I wouldn't mention it nt

[Treefrog]

190. Most don't.

[Jim G.]

193. Someone Else Brought It Up

Not me. It's not a secret or something I'm embarrassed about;

[LanternWaste]

249. Well, that settles it.

" I have NEVER seen a MIRT member even refer to being..."

Well, that settles it.

[BannonsLiver]

97. LOL

:

[Boomerproud]

128. I agree. I don't care what others think.

[Treefrog]

134. That poster obviously did care.

A wee bit too much.

People disagree with me all the time. It’s a discussion board!

[Scrivener7]

9. Just no.

[DeeNice]

10. Jab alert, Major Jab alert

When I was waiting for my turn at the vaccine I was saying if i knew the number they would call me from I'd change the ringtone to that Burger King commercial jingle. People literally dropping everything to go when the signal came, that's how I felt.
As far as calling it a jab as a dig...meh. They play all kinds of word games but I don't think this one really sticks (hehehe).

[vercetti2021]

14. I got a jab for them

They can go jab a fist up their ass.

[Wounded Bear]

15. You do you...

[Dream Girl]

17. That's what the call is in England.

[Tadpole Raisin]

19. Although it is British slang it feels like over many years we are dumbing

down our conversations with the public. You never know how a new way of saying something will end up being an innocent slang or twisted to something dark and mean.

Cute (short for acute) meant sharp or quick witted.
Gay used to mean happy
Flirt meant sneer at
Aydes was a weight reducing candy
Spinster was a woman who spun yarn.

Some things we can’t change but I’d like to avoid dumbing down a word used in a professional context even if the average person just lazily wants a shorter word that’s easier to put in a tweet.

[Effete Snob]

22. Uh, no, it is commonly called that in British English

Since anti-vax nuttery is international in scope, and since many non-native speakers of English learn British English instead of American English, then I have simply assumed that "jab" was born of the same internet swamps which drove Brexit and foment other separatist and alliance-weakening causes.

[Treefrog]

23. No it isn't. It's used widely in England and Ireland.

No idea where you got that.

[obamanut2012]

26. I got the Dolly jab, and will keep saying I've been jabbed

It is NOT a RW term. It's been around forever, esp in the UK, but also in the US. My mother is a retired nurse, and she always called that, and she is more liberal than most folks who post here.

Good grief.

[steve2470]

27. As everyone has said, it's very common slang in the UK

Nothing disrespectful at all about it.

[irisblue]

29. I first heard the term ' the jab' on the BBC World Service broadcasts

maybe early spring 2021?

[Politicub]

35. It's not RW lingo.

Getting a vaccine injection is something a responsible citizen has done without complaint about a word that a lot of people use as shorthand.

And, like others have pointed out, it’s British. Maybe you should read it with a British accent in your mind’s eye. Anything read in a British accent is cooler… or more posh.

[CrackityJones75]

37. Holy Hell. DU never disappoints.

Last edited Fri Aug 27, 2021, 01:27 PM - Edit history (1)

The side distractions here on any number of things daily is a comedy routine.

Now we get to have a super long thread about whether or not the term jab is offensive.

Are you kidding me? I am sensitive to people’s sensitivities and all that but honestly sometimes if it isn’t humorous it is absolutely exhausting around here.

[NewJeffCT]

38. Can you explain why?

I don't use "jab" or "the jab" at all, but had no idea it was meant to be disrespectful.

[obamanut2012]

101. Because it isn't

And, it absolutely isn't "RW lingo."

[Polybius]

39. Not nearly as much as saying Obamacare is

I see that all the time here too.

[Treefrog]

82. Good point.

Even used by one of the most upset on this thread!

[Sapient Donkey]

232. I think Obama said he liked the term

And using it sort of became a way of taking away its power as some sort of jab against it.

[treestar]

240. I agree

I use it and never thought it was supposed to be bad. They embraced it as "Obama cares." Which the Republicans sure don't.

[iemanja]

44. It's what the British call shots

It is not RW.

[Iggo]

45. Bullshit.

It’s everyday British slang and has been for years.

[MenloParque]

51. The more you know!!

Thank you! I had no clue that my primary care doctor for the last 25 years is a Right wing nut job!! He calls any shot I get a JAB, be it a flu, pneumonia, or Pfizer. I will be switching docs ASAP. Thank you for this info!!

[Jim G.]

53. There's A RW Troll That Does Use That Word Here Almost Daily

And it definitely is meant to be derogatory when they post it.

Regardless of how the English & Irish use it the OP does have a point.

[Treefrog]

58. How can the word "jab" be derogatory?

That doesn’t even make sense.

[Jim G.]

62. I Just Stated A Fact

If it doesn't make sense to you I guess that's on you.

How is the word "Democrat" derogatory? I suppose the way it's used.

[Ms. Toad]

73. You stated opinions, not fact.

People tent to opine about whether others are right wing trolls when they disagree with them - frequently about things on which progressives are not united.

And, since "jab" isn't directed at a minorty who would have a right to tell us to stop insulting them, whether it is used in a derogatory manner is also opinion.

It's a commonly used word in much of the world, and since we are far less isolated than we used to be, vernacular that is common in other parts of the world - used on the internet - especially when the subject of that word is a hot topic - are likely to spread.

Drawing a line in the sand about innocuous words make us look silly.

[Treefrog]

77. Thank you.

Wish I could rec this post.

[Jim G.]

83. Actually...

I was talking about a RW troll. One that was banned here just this morning. And many other times this month & countless times over the years.

When they use "the jab" referring to the covid vaccine it is meant as a slur. Context matters.

[Ms. Toad]

88. If you did not issue the ban, you don't know why they were banned.

So still opinion, unless the ban message declared why they were banned.

Interpreting context is opinion, not fact.

[Jim G.]

106. As A Matter Of Fact I Did...

And many, many, many times before. They are an anti-vax, ant-mask, anti-Biden troll that uses "the jab" as a slur.

Fact.

[Jim G.]

123. Well...

A rough count has this RW troll being banned 42 times this month by a number of people on MIRT, as well as several times by the admins & by OTTO.

So, not some rogue "Lone Ranger" here.

[Treefrog]

130. Should you really be talking about MIRT decisions here?

Seems bad form.

[Jim G.]

136. I'm Speaking In Generalities About A Specific Unnamed Troll

But you're welcome to try & change the subject.

Again, whether that term is used commonly overseas or not, RW'ers use it here as a slur. I know it to be a fact.

[Treefrog]

148. So you think Malaise, a well respected and longtime poster here, is using it as a slur?.

Nah.

And i Nd your talking about MIRT matters to be really bad form. Never seen a MIRT member do that.

[Jim G.]

158. I Didn't Say That...

I said it is used as a slur by RW'ers. And here, just this morning for that matter.

So you're welcome to keep arguing about something I know you to be wrong about.

And I'm not really interested in your six months of experience at DU.

[Jim G.]

182. Was That An Insult?

Or just perceived as one?

And I didn't bring MIRT into the conversation, someone else did. And I didn't mention anything specific about anyone, just the fact that that term has been used numerous times here as a slur. Today as a matter of fact.

And I'm not embarrassed about anything having to do with MIRT. It's not a secret who's on there either - it's listed on the Announcements Page whenever there's a changeover.

So, what is your purpose continuing to argue with me about this? Do you believe you're going to change my mind about something I know to be a fact, or do you think you're going to bait me into breaking the TOS somehow & have a post removed? Either way you're going to be disappointed.

[Treefrog]

189. I'm not in the least insulted.

I find those kinds of barbs incredibly weak and lame. So why would you mention it, hmm?

Interesting.

I have no interest in changing your mind. You’ve made it clear that you think anyone who uses e term “jab” is a rw troll. I would think an open mind would be a requirement for MIRT.

Bye now. Have a blessed day JimG of MIRT!

[Jim G.]

204. Please Don't Try And Misconstrue What I've Said

I said that term is used as a RW slur. As recently as today. Here.


Show me anywhere I've said everyone who says that is using it as a slur. Google "Red Herring". (Hint - not the fish)

[Kingofalldems]

217. Yes I know the one.

He keeps coming back daily.

[Jim G.]

221. Yep

[leftstreet]

129. +1

These threads make DU look stupid

But that's probably the intention

[obamanut2012]

102. But you didn't state a fact

[Jim G.]

110. In Your Opinion Maybe

But in reality, pretty much.

[Treefrog]

155. I'm a Democrat. Have been from the day I could register.

Did I just insult myself? Odd you find that a slur.

[Jim G.]

156. Do You Belong To The "Democrat Party"

That's how RW'ers use it as a slur.

Thanks for playing.

[Treefrog]

159. Dude.

Tell us some more about your job with MIRT. We’re all agog.

[Jim G.]

161. Quite The Subject Changer Aren't You?

I don't imagine anyone here knows anything that you don't know. They couldn't possibly.

[Treefrog]

168. Nah, I'm not important like you,

And only been here six months.

Who brought that up as a subject change? Put down the shovel.

[Kingofalldems]

216. Glad someone else noticed.

[Tomconroy]

205. Here's my contribution to the thread:

Free DU! Down with MIRT!

[Celerity]

141. Trying to make this a UK versus US vernacular thing is a false construct, as many non-RW Americans,

including healthcare professionals, use the term jab. There is zero ill intent on their part. This entire projection by the OP is built upon a foundation of sand, as are the attempts to try and drive division via an 'othering' of the usage and origins of the colloquialism.

[Jim G.]

143. Or RW'ers & Anti-Vaxers Could Use It As A Slur & Some Here Just Aren't Familiar With It

I happen to be.

[Celerity]

163. that is selective cherry-picking/framing IMHO,as RWers use a lot of terms non-RWers use

Anti-vaxxers are anti-vax regardless of what they call the shot/stick/jab/vax. Their occasional use of jab adds no weight to their shitbaggery, they are fucksticks whatever terms they use.

This OP was woven out of whole cloth from the start, it was attempted power projection (the attempt at universalising a purely personal opinion) and control via dodgy language policing based upon false constructs.

[Jim G.]

201. The OP Made A Statement That I Can Verify To Be True

From my personal experience. If you're not willing to accept it that's okay. Doesn't change anything.

[Celerity]

206. nope, sorry

The OP Made A Statement That I Can Verify To Be True

The OP attempts to universalise a construct that is in no way, shape or form universally valid, as shown by a myriad number of replies that show the attempted construct and the attempted word policing to be invalid.

Your anecdotal exceptions/examples do not prove the universal rule/claim to be valid, they do not make your or the OP's statements true.

[Jim G.]

212. My Anecdotal Experience Indeed!

If I've seen trolls use that term as a slur here that somehow makes it an exception?

It would also seem our anecdotal experience with that one troll overlap. Remember a private conversation we had recently? MI6?

[Celerity]

214. I recall that convo

One psycho (the one you told me about in PM) troll using repetitive rantings and a multiplicity of burner DU accounts does not prove the positing of the OP as universal, nor does it make it valid. It just proves they (that troll) are a persistent and determined POS with very little to do with themselves.

[Jim G.]

220. Right

No one claimed it was "universal" just that it's a term RW'ers use a pejorative.

Ands it's not just the one you had the displeasure of coming in contact with either. I've seen it used as a slur by several trolls.

The OP (who says they're a nurse), another DUer (who said they were a nurse) & myself have all seen it. How is that so hard to rap your head around?

[Celerity]

224. I didn't come into contact with that troll (ie I did not see their attack on me), you told me I had

Also, the OP is attempting to make 'jab' a word that is seen as RW, anti-vax slur, which would universally ban it from DU if that false stance was adopted.

[Jim G.]

234. Nope

"Calling a Covid vaccination "the jab" is meant to be disrespectful. It's RW lingo.

I hate seeing it used on DU."

That's what the OP said.

Since others are also aware of that, they aren't "attempting to make 'jab' a word that is seen as RW, anti-vax slur" they are merely pointing out it is being used that way by RW'ers.

So I guess if you didn't know that then the OP must have just made it up? To what purpose?

At least three other people have said the same thing in this thread, so it must be some sort of mass hysteria now. Either that or some here just prefer to argue about things outside their knowledge base.

[Celerity]

252. I will continue to use the term at my leisure, there is zero wrong with the term, EOS

[Jim G.]

255. Feel Free To Get The Last Word In

Now that I know you're never mistaken, among other things.

[Celerity]

260. has nothing to do with being never being mistaken, as there were no facts involved to be disproven

only opinions.

It was only an opinion by the OP, one that was attempted to be foisted upon the board as some sort of posited rule as to what is acceptable and what is not, in terms of vernacular communication and discourse.

I disagree with that opinion.

Also, I never once claimed infallibility on anything,

which this sarcastic response from you implies I did:

Now that I know you're never mistaken, among other things.

[Jim G.]

261. No...

It was something the OP was aware of that you obviously weren't. I confirmed it, as did others in this thread. If you choose to deny it, either we're liars or you're wrong.

I'm glad you can at least recognize sarcasm.

[leftstreet]

207. No

You have personal experience with a rightwing troll who used the term "jab" to describe an injection. You can't possibly extrapolate that to the entire DU community and assume any member who says "jab" is a troll.

One hopes, as a MIRT member , you used other criteria to determine the person was a troll, and just happened to notice through your keen observations that s/he used "jab" a lot.

Wait...do you think maybe the troll was posting from Britain?

[Jim G.]

208. LOL!

I mentioned one that was as recent as this morning using it as a slur. I didn't say that was a one-off though.

And I never claimed everyone who says it is using it as a slur, just that some RW'ers do.

I understand how it's hard to accept something outside one's experience.

And feel free to continue to try & insult me. I'm sure it'll wear me down eventually.

[Effete Snob]

177. Does the troll also use commas and words like "the", "and" and "if"?

[Treefrog]

192. Omg, stop!

This thread keeps on giving!

[Tomconroy]

60. I think FR is getting a chuckle over this thread.

[obamanut2012]

61. They should tbh

[Tomconroy]

71. Maybe it's all a troll thing.

[obamanut2012]

105. so odd

[Treefrog]

84. Hell, I'M getting a chuckle out of this thread!

[Tomconroy]

107. Yes! Me too.

[NurseJackie]

63. It's British & European.

Watch (or listen to) BBC or SkyNews and you'll hear it all the time. Read the UK press and they use it too.

What leads you to believe that it's "RW lingo" ... I was not aware of that. Is that your sole opinion, or is there a consensus developing in that regard?

[Treefrog]

103. Judging by the responses on this thread, it seems a sole opinion.

[NurseJackie]

122. I figured...

... if not sole, then an isolated one.

I had already "trashed" this thread so that I don't see it continually rising to the top of the forum. But when you commented, the "My Posts" tab turned yellow... so I figured I'd check in to see who disagrees with me. (I'm glad it was you instead... with your observations about the majority consensus.)

[Treefrog]

131. Lol, it's a fun thread in so many ways!

I really thought it was a joke to begin with!

[NurseJackie]

133. Excellent description.

That's perfect.

[milestogo]

64. They use it all over the world.

[BannonsLiver]

81. Not true. That's what everyone in the Uk calls it.

Including that bastion of RWNJ politics the BBC.

[LisaL]

85. Yep.

Brits came up with this term, I don't think it means any disrespect.

[Caliman73]

111. Actually, Brits imported it from the US

At least according to this WSJ article as discussed by linguist Ben Zimmer.

Sorry that the full article is hidden behind a pay wall.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jab-a-british-term-for-a-covid-19-shot-but-born-in-the-u-s-a-11617898298#:~:text=As%20a%20verb%20and%20noun,began%20in%20the%20U.S.%2C%20however.

[Metatron]

235. Here is an excerpt:

But despite the markedly British flavor of “jab” in current usage, the origins of the hypodermic meaning are actually American.

As a verb and noun for a poke or thrust, “jab” first entered English in the early 19th century as a Scottish variant for “job,” which at that point could refer to the pecking of a bird. Its colloquial use for an injection began in the U.S., however. In November 1898, the Inter Ocean, a Chicago newspaper, quoted a gambler recounting a card game against a drug addict. “I observed that my lucky faro player gave himself a hypodermic jab in the arm with some fluid he had on tap there,” the gambler recalled. “I soon discovered he was a confirmed victim of the needle, and required rather regular jabs to keep keyed up to the notch.”

This use of “jab” was likely inspired by the then-new application of the word “shot” for an injection of a narcotic drug. A January 1889 article in the Sacramento Bee gives an early example: “The gang of miserables who have acquired the terrible habit often have a hard time to get money enough to buy ‘a shot’ as they call a morphine injection.” While “shot” eventually moved into mainstream use for any sort of hypodermic injection, “jab” remained a slangier alternative.

As the lexicographer Jonathon Green details in “Green’s Dictionary of Slang,” “jab” began to be used by British forces in World War II to refer to inoculations against diseases like tuberculosis. Gerald Kersh, a writer who served in the British Army, used the word in his 1941 novel “They Die With Their Boots Clean”: “First time that feller got a Jab, he went out like a light.”

Source: WSJ

[Vinca]

87. Maybe we should turn the tables and make it a positive word. I remember when

"Obamacare" was not to be used to describe the ACA because it was a right wing smear. We used it anyway and now it's a good thing. We shouldn't let the crazies define how we speak.

[KentuckyWoman]

91. Humor?

If not. I still laughed.
Thanks.

[helpisontheway]

92. Hmm..I'm in a couple of Covid groups on FB

and the people overseas always referred to it as the jab. Did not offend me. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[malaise]

100. Not true

It's just British speak.

[obamanut2012]

108. We use it in the US too, my friend

Which is why this OP is so odd.

[malaise]

112. I started a thread with it way back in March when I got my

first jab. Was really surprised to see the OP.

[Effete Snob]

180. Yup

You made a cameo guest star appearance upthread.

[Treefrog]

114. It is.

I really thought it was sarcasm at first.

[obamanut2012]

191. I cannot believe this thread is still going!

[Mysterian]

113. No, it's not.

I suggest you find something else to be outgraged about.

[Treefrog]

115. I'm thinking this didn't go the way you expected.

But it has provided immense amusement for many of us.

I truly thought you were just funnin’ to begin with.

[Xoan]

117. I see you are not British.

lighten up

[Elessar Zappa]

118. Oh give me a break.

Find something real to be outraged about.

[beaglelover]

124. I thought it came from what the UK calls it and Americans just started using that term

to seem cool.

[SidDithers]

126. It's a jab in Canada too...

It's not RW lingo. It's a colloquialism.

Sid

[Maeve]

137. Nope. Common BBC usage for all shots

[Sympthsical]

138. My mom was a phlebotomist

Retired now.

Regularly refers to things as jabs. Has for decades.

She is quite Democratic.

[obamanut2012]

194. Several nurses in my family

US, all Dems, they also call it that. My NP, also a DEm (yes, we talk politics!), also calls it that.

My mother is an old Boomer, and she sometimes calls it a stick as well as a jab.

[Tomconroy]

139. I hope this thread goes on for days!

[XanaDUer2]

142. I was feeling pretty down today with depression. This

made my day and I feel much better now

[Treefrog]

149. Lol!

I’m with ya!

[Tomconroy]

151. I just read the whole thing again. It's even better as a rerun!

[Celerity]

175. lol, maybe it will be picked up for syndication

[Treefrog]

178. I'm sure it'll get play on"other forums" lol.

It’s a classic though!

[obamanut2012]

195. Netflix just renewed it!

[Metatron]

243. 5 seasons and a movie?

[leftstreet]

152. You sure it wasn't just a reaction from your jab?

[XanaDUer2]

197. I actually take

meds for depression and anxiety, and this thread has amplified their effects

[roamer65]

147. I could care less what they call it.

The Great Depopulation is what we will call October 2021 to May 2022.

It’s coming.

[Coventina]

157. Oh FFS.

[Celerity]

171. A classic and well-deserved ratio this thread has garnered.

[Treefrog]

181. Yes indeed!

[MenloParque]

179. This thread is great!!

I just remembered there was a slogan at a large Healthcare network in my very progressive county when the vaccine rollout- “get your stick”. This slogan was on our bus stops, highway signs, billboards. GET YOUR STICK!!

[Celerity]

196. when Swedes, especially a healthcare workers, say spruta in English they say stick or jab

spruta can mean both syringe and an injection with one

Student vaccinerade med använd spruta

(Student vaccinated with a used syringe)

https://www.vardfokus.se/yrkesroller/student/student-vaccinerade-med-anvand-spruta/

[Texasgal]

183. Well.. there goes 20 minutes

and half my lunch time wasted.

[Ocelot II]

185. No, it isn't. It's primarily British and has no political connotation at all.

[SidDithers]

187. This thread is comedy gold...

Not quite to the level of bombing the moon, but still pretty good.



Sid

[Effete Snob]

198. .

[ShazzieB]

273. Yes, indeed!

[obamanut2012]

199. omg I forgot about that

[IcyPeas]

188. call it whatever you want. just get it. (sigh) 🙄

[liberal_mama]

200. I also had assumed that 'jab' was British slang. Whenever I see someone say 'jab,' I just assume

they are from England. I didn't realize that it was disrespectful.

[obamanut2012]

215. it isn't

[NYC Liberal]

209. 2021 version of the Douchebag threads.

[Effete Snob]

211. .

[Cousin Dupree]

213. I did not post this to be divisive, criticize the British, or whatever else you people think.

I’m trying to point out to you that the word “jab” is commonly and currently used in social media by anti-vaxxers and right-wingers to show disrespect and scorn for the vaccine. Nor did I suggest that everyone who uses it is a right-winger. Considering that, I was trying to point out to some of the kind, even-tempered, welcoming DUer’s on here might want to know a different perspective. But I see that’s not permitted here. Thank you for setting me straight. PS. I’m an RN and I’ve never used that term and never will.

[leftstreet]

218. "you people" lol enough said n/t

[Jim G.]

225. What Is Your Problem?

The OP said RW'ers use that term as a slur & it bothers them for that reason. I don't believe they said it was used that way universally.

Others have said the same thing. Can you offer an explanation why people would make something like that up? Or is it just impossible that something exists that you don't know about?

[kcr]

231. The OP states it in a way that renders judgment universally

Which is why it is getting the nearly universal reaction it's getting from DU.

[Jim G.]

236. That's Not How I Read it

"Calling a Covid vaccination "the jab" is meant to be disrespectful. It's RW lingo.

I hate seeing it used on DU.

The "the nearly universal reaction it's getting from DU" is certainly not fact based - more like "I didn't know that so it must be bullshit".

[ShazzieB]

268. But calling a covid vaccination "the jab" is not ALWAYS "meant to be disrespectful."

The o.p. didn't say "always," but I think a lot of us felt that was implied (I know I did), and I think that is what got so many people's backs up.

Yes, it's absolutely true that some RWNJs, including the troll you alluded to, like to use the word in a disparaging way. I think it's pretty obvious when they are doing so. But that doesn't mean it's accurate to state that it's "meant to be disrespectful" without adding some sort of qualifier.

I'm not sure even now if the o.p. intended to convey that using the word "jab" in connection with the covid vaccine is ALWAYS "meant to be disrespectful," but by not qualifying the statement in any way, they certainly left the door wide open to that interpretation.

It's simply not accurate to state that a word is "meant to be disrespectful" and just leave it at that when loads of people have been using it in an innocuous way for years and years. If the o.p. had said they didn't like it when antivaxxers use the word "jab" as if it's a slur, we would be reading a comletely different thread right now.

[Jim G.]

270. I Suppose I Took Exception To The OP Being Piled On...

Especially when I know for a fact it is being used as a slur by RW'ers. Including today.


It is meant to be disrespectful when it's used by RW'ers, which is how I interpreted the OP.

[leftstreet]

274. Probably a reaction to my jabs n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

223. Your thread title was wrong, though - just baldly stating it's "meant to be disrespectful"

In the vast majority of cases, it's not. Your OP was not qualified in any way. If people believed you, they'd then start making false assumptions about all kinds of people who just use it with no political implication at all (what a state the US is in, when a vaccine is political!). That would cause rancour. So it's better that people have made it clear how mistaken you were.

[obamanut2012]

226. +1

[muriel_volestrangler]

227. Round 2: Is calling it a 'jag' OK? Does that show you're a True Scotsman?

On a British forum, one poster said "why is everyone calling it a 'jag'"? Those of us from England couldn't work out what they were on about, while those from Scotland turned it into a literal No True Scotsman argument - they claimed that anyone from Scotland, as that poster said they were, would be familiar with the term.

Because it turns out 'jag' is a term used for an injection in Scotland - it can mean a thorn, or a prick (such as from a thorn), and thus an injection.

Earlier this month Radio Scotland’s flagship breakfast news programme Good Morning Scotland was discussing vaccines. Presenters used “jab”.

A fringe but well-followed Scottish nationalist account called MSM Monitor was enraged. “They have been conditioned to accept it without thought,” he or she declared.

“A product of colonial culture.”

Well, that is hot nonsense. Because “jab” and ‘jag” are both Scots words. True, you’re perhaps more likely to say “jag” in Glasgow, or “jab” in Aberdeen.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19090594.david-leask-getting-needle-whether-jag-jab/

https://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/jag_n1_v1

[Baltimike]

228. No. It's not. Full stop. nt

[Sapient Donkey]

230. Not a term I use, but we shouldn't let them take over a commonly used word

It’s like giving them the Betsy Ross flag. No way!

[Hekate]

237. Ummmm -- The Brits have called it "the jab" all along. Like "spot on," we're borrowing it.

[Jim G.]

245. So Somehow That Precludes RW'ers From Using It As A Slur?

[Hekate]

251. Sorry, I missed the memo, & also missed the RWers

Did you see my post #238 of the Marsh Family singing about it?

[Jim G.]

259. Well, If It's Outside Your Scope Of Knowledge It Must Not Exist

That seems to be the popular belief in this thread.

And no I didn't bother to look at the video you posted. It wouldn't have altered my opinion on the matter in any case. As I stated upthread, I saw a troll post that very term as a slur here this morning before they were banned.

So yeah, it's a thing.

[ShazzieB]

269. Yes, it's a thing.

It's also at least just much of a thing to use "jab" in a completely innocuous way, and I see nothing wrong with continuing to do so.

[Jim G.]

275. Whether Or Not It's Also Used Innocuously Is Irrelevant

The OP is a nurse familiar with the "slur" usage, as was another nurse upthread. As well as you, me & several others in this thread that have seen trolls use it here to be derogatory.

If you don't see anything wrong with it that's fine. If you take exception to the way the OP was worded, that's fine too. But all these people attacking the OP because "they say that in England" kinda misses the point.

[Hekate]

238. In case you missed the Marsh Family during the shutdown, here's "Have the New Jab" from 7 months ago

They are an amazingly musical British family with young kids that have amused themselves and delighted thousands with their offbeat performances during these dark days. “Have the New Jab” is sung to the tune of Cohen’s “Hallelujah.” Enjoy and look up the rest of their oeuvre on You Tube.

[Lucid Dreamer]

239. I have absolutely no interest in this, but...

I have absolutely no interest in this, but since it looks like I'm the only on DU that hasn't posted here I hate to be impolite.

How are you all doing?

G'nite.

[Decoy of Fenris]

241. Mind if I pull up a chair? I brought spare popcorn. n/t

[TheProle]

244. Jesus! Gatekeeping posts KILL it on DU

this is where the action is!

[canetoad]

246. Concise Oxford Dictionary

Jab: British informal a hypodermic injection, especially a vaccination.

Here is Australia they are called shots or jabs - equally. Wherever did this RW lingo idea come from?

[Jim G.]

256. Really?

[muriel_volestrangler]

267. Apart from the 1 troll on DU that you've identified, who are the other RWers?

You laugh at a question that you ought to have answered a long time ago. But instead, you've just harped on about the one DU repeat troll who you're convinced uses it to be demeaning (rather than, say, having a non-US English background). So where does this RW usage come from, in your opinion?

[Music Man]

248. I've never seen it as derogatory,

But I do find cutesy nicknames for vaccinations rather annoying.

The jab, getting stuck, the Fauci Ouchie, and so on.

[GusBob]

253. The song Cousin Dupree by Steely Dan

Has always made me feel uncomfortable

It’s about incest or inbreeding ain’t it?

I don’t like seeing those words on DU

[ProfessorGAC]

258. A Nominee For...

...Top 10 Most Unnecessary Threads in DU history.

[Tomconroy]

262. A couple of people picked a hill to die on.

Unfortunately it was a molehill.

[Jim G.]

263. And Yet No One Is Dead

[George II]

264. 250+ responses. To put this to rest, my wife was a nurse for more than 40 years....

She and her co-workers have been using that term for decades. It has absolutely no political connotations whatsoever.

[Jim G.]

265. The Covid Vaccine Has Only Been Around Less Than A Year

And RW'ers use that term as a slur for the Covid vaccine. A troll you're familiar with was banned for it this morning.

It's a thing.