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DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 10:09 AM Aug 2021

Re:Sirhan Sirhan

Not only was Robert Francis Kennedy a leading voice of his generation, a genuine friend to the disenfranchised, and a leading competitor for the presidency he was the father of ten children. When Sirhan Sirhan assassinated him he took all that my away.

One could argue that Sirhan Sirhan killed two Kennedys that night. David Kennedy was thirteen years old at the time and watched his father shot in the head on live television. This is only mere weeks after his father saved his life when he was caught in a riptide off the Malibu coast. The event left an emotional scar on David and he began recreational drug use shortly thereafter.

David Kennedy was found dead of a drug overdose in a Palm Beach hotel room at the age of twenty-nine.

I oppose the death penalty with every fiber of my being and my default position in any situation is always life. However, some crimes so shock the conscience and their ramifications so profound that the perpetrators should live out their lives behind bars. The assassination of Robert Kennedy was one of those crimes.

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Re:Sirhan Sirhan (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 OP
Bobby was the real deal Beatlelvr Aug 2021 #1
He wasn't a cardboard saint DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #2
I agree 100% SCantiGOP Aug 2021 #3
In high school, I volunteered for his Oregon Primary campaign. Thunderbeast Aug 2021 #4
How long do you suppose Sirhan Sirhan will last outside of prison? Klaralven Aug 2021 #5
Depends on what they think of him in Jordan, where he'll be deported. NYC Liberal Aug 2021 #6
Where he'll get a hero's welcome like Abdelbaset al-Megrahi in Libya! Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2021 #8
You're probably correct...... KS Toronado Aug 2021 #12
I doubt King Abdullah wants to piss off America. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #18
Sirhan is a Jordanian citizen LeftInTX Aug 2021 #24
They might accept him but he won't get a hero's welcome. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2021 #35
I don't want him released. I'm sure the governor will do what he did with Leslie Van Houten LeftInTX Aug 2021 #37
That may take some time. Meanwhile, he intends to live with his brother in Los Angeles Klaralven Aug 2021 #13
Yes, that's what I read too. NYC Liberal Aug 2021 #28
I thought he had a brother here. Treefrog Aug 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Aug 2021 #21
According to actuarial tables, a 77 year old man can expect to live 11 years. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2021 #11
I agree with every word of your post. Stinky The Clown Aug 2021 #7
As you know, the Parole Board's actions are just a suggestion. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #9
Newsom doesn't get the parole decision for 90 days. former9thward Aug 2021 #22
OK thank you for the clarification. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #27
My brother Jack worked for RFK during his campaign. appleannie1 Aug 2021 #10
Keep him in prison keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #14
My heart hit the floor when I read Sirhan Sirhan had been recommended for release. pazzyanne Aug 2021 #15
I don't believe that the governor will release him. yardwork Aug 2021 #16
He stepped in and reversed parole decisions of 'Manson family' members and he'll do the same here Brother Buzz Aug 2021 #26
We had mandatory 30 year release in Texas LeftInTX Aug 2021 #31
Genene Jones, the killer nurse. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #38
Agreement marieo1 Aug 2021 #17
Apparently two of his sons supported the parole. Did I get this wrong? nt LAS14 Aug 2021 #20
No you aren't. former9thward Aug 2021 #23
As far as I can tell BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #25
Eleven children ..... H2O Man Aug 2021 #29
True, but at the time of his death, Ethel was still pregnant with Rory. OhioBlue Aug 2021 #32
Meanwhile, Leonard Peltier...nt mdelaguna Aug 2021 #30
...is where he belongs. nt frogmarch Aug 2021 #33
I've always felt like that assassination stole my country's future before I was even old enough Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #34
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #36
DemocratSinceBirth.... Upthevibe Aug 2021 #39
Agreed. honest.abe Aug 2021 #40

Beatlelvr

(802 posts)
1. Bobby was the real deal
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 10:45 AM
Aug 2021

I was in high school in 1968 and his assassination just destroyed me. I couldn't go to school for a couple days I was so upset. Just imagine if he had won the nomination and election. This man, coming from wealth and privlege, actually CARED about those less fortunate. He had smarts and compassion. I know hindsight is 20-20 and he wasn't a perfect person, but my god, what a difference he could have made.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
2. He wasn't a cardboard saint
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 10:56 AM
Aug 2021

But at the end of his life he was close as you can be to a conviction politician and actually win a presidential election

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
3. I agree 100%
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 10:56 AM
Aug 2021

No death penalty, but Sirhan should live the rest of his days in prison.
This might be a very different nation, and world, had Bobby been President in 1968 instead of Nixon.

Thunderbeast

(3,819 posts)
4. In high school, I volunteered for his Oregon Primary campaign.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 11:42 AM
Aug 2021

Shook his hand at a rally the week before.

He was the Democratic candidate that promised to:

End the Vietnam War
Continue the War on Poverty
Fight for racial justice

Unlike Eugene McCarthy (also a great man by the way), Kennedy had great odds if defeating Richard Nixon in the 1968 election.

Just weeks after the assassination of Dr. King, the nation was in absolute crisis. Nixon promised to end the war (he lied), and bring "law and order" to the "silent majority".

Nixon went on to cut an illegal secret pre-election deal with Hanoi, stopping the peace talks and sealing his own victory. The war continued until after his disgraceful resignation.

With his "impulsive action" Sirhan Sirhan changed the course of history, and fostered hopeless cynicism at a time when when the country could not afford it.


Floyd R. Turbo

(32,913 posts)
8. Where he'll get a hero's welcome like Abdelbaset al-Megrahi in Libya!
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:29 PM
Aug 2021

He didn’t belong in prison, he belonged under it.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
12. You're probably correct......
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:37 PM
Aug 2021

for that fact alone that he might be given a hero's welcome overseas,
is why we should keep him locked up for life.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
18. I doubt King Abdullah wants to piss off America.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:28 PM
Aug 2021

He's also a pretty moderate guy as far as Middle Eastern monarchs go

LeftInTX

(34,294 posts)
24. Sirhan is a Jordanian citizen
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:45 PM
Aug 2021

Sirhan was born a Christian and is still a Christian and it looks like Jordan has a decent sized Christian community...

However, Jordan may have no choice but to accept him....

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
35. They might accept him but he won't get a hero's welcome.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 02:56 PM
Aug 2021

I'm passionate about this because RFK Is one of my heroes and I don't have many. In fact he's one of four- John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Muhammad Ali.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
13. That may take some time. Meanwhile, he intends to live with his brother in Los Angeles
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:38 PM
Aug 2021

Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #6)

Stinky The Clown

(68,952 posts)
7. I agree with every word of your post.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:27 PM
Aug 2021

Like you, I am unequivocally opposed to the death penalty. In its place is life imprisonment, generally but n to always without the possibility of parole. Sirhan is one such case. I hope he does not get parole.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
9. As you know, the Parole Board's actions are just a suggestion.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:33 PM
Aug 2021

Last edited Sat Aug 28, 2021, 02:00 PM - Edit history (1)

He can't actually be released unless the governor signs off on it. It will be interesting to see what Newsom does. With that close recall election hanging over his head, I think there is a good chance that he might reject Sirhan's release.

Edit - This information is wrong so I am retracting it. Sorry for the misinformation.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
22. Newsom doesn't get the parole decision for 90 days.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:42 PM
Aug 2021

The recall election will be long over by then no matter what the results.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
10. My brother Jack worked for RFK during his campaign.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:34 PM
Aug 2021

The family requested he drive one of the cars in the procession to Arlington. He had wanted to accompany Bobby to California but Bobby said he would probably need him more in Illinois. I know what an emotional effect it had on Jack when he was killed. He lost most of his hope for the future for one thing. I can't even imagine what the family went through. And being in the eye of the public did not help at all. Every move they made was inspected and magnified by the press.

pazzyanne

(6,759 posts)
15. My heart hit the floor when I read Sirhan Sirhan had been recommended for release.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:45 PM
Aug 2021

He deserves the same fate (dying in prison) as Charles Matson imho.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
16. I don't believe that the governor will release him.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 12:48 PM
Aug 2021

I agree with your post. We still don't know why and how this assassination was planned.

Brother Buzz

(39,899 posts)
26. He stepped in and reversed parole decisions of 'Manson family' members and he'll do the same here
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:48 PM
Aug 2021

The only reason Sirhan Sirhan is up for parole is that he's 'grandfathered' in with a sentence that didn't stipulate 'No possibility of parole' on his life sentence. California has since closed the loophole.

LeftInTX

(34,294 posts)
31. We had mandatory 30 year release in Texas
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 02:21 PM
Aug 2021

And there was a serial killer who was gonna be let out in 2018

At the time of her sentencing, no one could imagine the day that she would be turned lose. She had a life sentence.

Fortunately in 2017, the DA was able to prosecute her for another murder, so she's staying put...

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
38. Genene Jones, the killer nurse.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:20 PM
Aug 2021

Fascinating and chilling case. I was following that story closely when it looked like she might be released and was so relieved when they came up with another murder to pin on her.

Like many serial killers, she is guilty of many more murders than she will ever be convicted of, thanks in large part to a hospital that elected to kick the can down the road by pushing her out of her job and covering up evidence. She then went on to kill more kids before she was finally caught.

BannonsLiver

(20,595 posts)
25. As far as I can tell
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:45 PM
Aug 2021

The primary argument for letting him out is “well it was a long time ago” or “he’s no threat to anyone.”

Neither are very compelling IMO.

Crunchy Frog

(28,280 posts)
34. I've always felt like that assassination stole my country's future before I was even old enough
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 02:45 PM
Aug 2021

to know what was happening.

What would this country look like today if it hadn't happened?

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Upthevibe

(10,180 posts)
39. DemocratSinceBirth....
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 07:02 PM
Aug 2021

Thank you for your concise and well thought out post. I agree with you 100%.


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