COVID-19, ivermectin, and stupidity: A day in the life of a veterinarian

[babylonsister]

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COVID-19, ivermectin, and stupidity: A day in the life of a veterinarian
Southern White Boy
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Saturday August 28, 2021 · 8:00 AM EDT

I'm gonna need a stronger brick wall


Yesterday as I was finishing an appointment I could hear my receptionist’s frustration as she was struggling with a phone call. I wasn’t certain about the details, just the frustration in her voice. The caller was put on hold and I got one of those looks. The deer in the headlights kind where you know you don’t want to be involved but have no choice.

I’d seen this client’s dog the previous day (a friend had brought the dog so I never got to speak to the owner). She wanted to know if I would prescribe Ivermectin for her. Yep, for her, not for her dog. What followed was a discussion that was so frustrating I never actually got to tell her that vets cannot legally prescribe medication for humans.

It seems her daughter in law had told her that she needed to get some just in case she got COVID. She’s been vaccinated and I think she wears masks (I’m not certain, my head turned to mush sometime during the call so some details are sketchy). I explained to her that I was under the impression that the quantity required to inhibit the virus in vitro would require blood levels quite in excess of the level required for it to get through the blood brain barrier in amounts that are toxic. I explained that it was a neurotoxin and could cause fun stuff like seizures, coma, and death. Her response left me feeling I may as well have told her lemonade is a cool refreshing beverage.

During the conversation I learned that there was a website where you could consult a doctor and get a prescription (I’m not certain why she was asking for one from yours truly, but didn’t throw that out there either — I was busy trying to keep my cool). She couldn’t recall the doctor’s name but had a link in an email from her daughter in law. I avoided answering some of her questions at this point as I knew my responses weren’t going to achieve the desired result. Instead I told her I was interested in seeing this website and asked her to forward the link to my email.

She said she’d get right on it. This was Thursday morning. It was a rather busy day so I did not get a chance to check my email until later in the evening. She hadn’t sent one.

Today I got an email from her:

Hello, Just to followup on our phone conversation. I was able to get ivermectin through an online doctor. The dosage goes by your weight and is in pill form. So for me it is 27mg a day for 5 days, and for my husband it is 15 mg a day for 5 days. I did not realize what you have is in different form. I do not know if I would use it, but at least I have it on hand. I sent you some information on it yesterday. Not sure if you received it. Anyway, would love to know if this sounds better to you as far as dosing.

I never received anything. I still haven’t told her that I cannot advise her on this matter. I sent a request for that link again. I’m still waiting.

I’m thinking my final answer to her needs to be something akin to:

I am not legally permitted to prescribe medication or give medical advice to people. My license limits my practice to the treatment of animals. As I stated in our phone call the other day, it is my understanding that the in vitro study results indicate a need for a blood level that is many times greater than the safe dose. The end result would require hospitalization. My recommendation is that you should consult your family physician or a doctor affiliated with one of the local hospital facilities instead of one from the internet.

[SCantiGOP]

1. Tell her family

that they can also find a funeral home online.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. Just read a thread about that online site. It's from that same group of

doctors that tried to push other unapproved treatments fir covid. The one headed by the lady doctor who claimed ovarian cysts are caused by sex with demons.

Found the thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215790978

And its America's Frontline Doctors

[BlueIdaho]

3. I would never go to a Doctor that prescribed Ivermectin for Covid.

Let alone a Veterinarian.

[Tracer]

4. The woman KNEW that people were getting ANIMAL ivermectin!!

So obviously she had at least heard something about it not being for humans, but is choosing to take it anyway. Nevermind that the vet explained all the bad things that could happen.

I just don't get it.

[Tadpole Raisin]

5. I know it's wishful thinking but this may work and if I come across an ivermectin crazy I may try it

This drug, used for horse and cows, can cause nausea and vomiting as well as confusion, seizures and coma. If you want to take it and risk hospitalization or death as well as be on the laughingstock on the local news or front page of your paper, go ahead but I wouldn’t recommend it.”

Yes, probably wouldn’t work
Yes, HIPAA laws…

Sigh…

As for the websites, are they outside US jurisdiction or do they set up their website to carefully avoid legal pitfalls?

Couldn’t the websites be shut down and MD licenses suspended under federal guidelines even if they might pop up with a new site?

Big fines, jail, and loss of licenses with quick action for same could have a big effect. I’ve heard nothing about action against these people!! This should be happening now. I don’t get it.

[Ms. Toad]

13. The registrar is in AZ.

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wildwestdomains.com

It would be time consuming, but one avenue of attack would be on the phone-a-doc providers.

Many/most states have very strict restrictions on the practice of medicine without a state license.

These restrictions are so strict that I was unable to get a second opinion consult at the peak of COVID from doctors in another state who are world-renowned specialists. (The cancer is very rare, and very aggressive - and not every state has a high volume treatment center - and it is pretty widely recognized that it is critical to be treated at a high volume center. So there are essentially no exceptions for out-of-state telemedicine.)

To practice medicine in Ohio, for example, you must be licensed in Ohio. There are states with an inerstate compact, so doctors can choosed to be licensed in multiple states. But aside from doctors who just collect medical licenses, or this interstate compact, most states require a locally licensed physician for a telemedicine consult.

For example - Bernard Garcia is licensed in Florida, but offers to provide telehealth consults all over the country (including in Ohio). Based on my research, that is practicing medicine without a license.

ETA - I just reported the whole bunch to Ohio's licensing board for the unauthorized practice of medicine in Ohio.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. If the medical community had no effective, standard preventative for COVID, it

would be like end-stage cancer or a disease that baffles doctors. Then you'd say, let's see what off-use options are available.

But this is no such animal! All they have to do is accept what any sane person would say is normal.

But they can't go there. They are so brilliantly tuned to an orange universe and would do anything to get there.

[IronLionZion]

7. The clever (dumbest) ones get it from farm feed stores

They believe doctors and veterinarians are deep in the pockets of the conspiracy to keep ivermectin from saving conservative lives. So we can't trust these so called experts, only the social media folks online.

My favorite are the ones who claim that COVID is targeting unvaccinated in red states as proof of this conspiracy.

Merck, the big pharma maker of ivermectin, have publicly stated that people should not self-medicate with their products.

[lambchopp59]

8. Funny coincidence about this whole Ivermectin flap

It served to remind me to order more of my pupper's heartworm chews, just in time since I'm out, so they ought to arrive in the mail near enough to monthly dose time. The laughable thought occurred to me of some RWNJ munching a whole package worth of heartworm chews because he/she got paranoid about a cough.

[moondust]

9. How does FDA know I'm not a cow?

[momta]

15. They could ask if you sued Devin Nunes recently.

If so, you must be a cow.

[moondust]

16. Ha!

They didn't ask me so what do they know?

[calimary]

10. Maybe it'll help "thin the herd"?

[MomInTheCrowd]

14. You made me laugh out loud - best reply ever. Thank you

[ToxMarz]

11. Obesity is an underlying condition for severe Covid cases

If she needs 27mg and her husband 15mg, it might be better for her to lose some weight than ingest dangerous drugs against medical advice. But, FreeDumbs I guess.

[Jon King]

12. I wish the media and Dr. Fauci and President Biden could say this!!!!

This is the third rail, almost no one dares say it. We have 2 year olds with soda in their sippy cups. We have 4-5 year olds who are obese due to what they are fed. And our adult population is killing themselves with obesity.

Covid has put this in the spotlight....most all bad outcomes of the under 60 year old population is due to excess weight and how it compromises the lungs.

[jovibennett]

17. I work in the veterinary industry and ...

We had a client taking capstar to kill fleas that she thought she had. Capstar is a product that kills fleas on cats and dogs for 24 hours. We give it in the hospital if a pet come in with fleas. But this client was taking one every 24 hours because she thought she had fleas from her pets. She be crazy!!

[Moebym]

18. I'm almost speechless

The concept of calling a veterinary clinic for the purpose of getting a veterinarian to prescribe ivermectin to a human is so breathtakingly stupid that I stared at the screen in disbelief for a couple of seconds.

[Solly Mack]

19. I really need to turn mercenary and start taking advantage of all the stupid out there.

[dalton99a]

20. Tractor Supply has all the healthcare they need

They should be encouraged to stay away from hospitals, especially ERs