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Officials decided against evacuating New Orleans hospitals despite Ida's threat. (Original Post) FelineOverlord Aug 2021 OP
What an awful, heartbreaking decision to have to make. femmedem Aug 2021 #1
OMG, I hope it's not as horrible as last time. Some of the stories of what happened were RKP5637 Aug 2021 #7
As a nurse who did flight transfer, the ICU covid patients would die from the transfer PortTack Aug 2021 #16
I figured that was the case for many of them. femmedem Aug 2021 #20
I was about to say...there is no place to go. Solly Mack Aug 2021 #2
Solly Mac, Where Are You? COL Mustard Aug 2021 #6
Vernon Parish. We're under Tropical Storm warnings as Ida is hitting to the East of us. (so far) Solly Mack Aug 2021 #15
Looks Like It's Bending To The East A Little COL Mustard Aug 2021 #28
Thanks. Yes. It dropped from a warning to an alert and is now a "statement". Solly Mack Aug 2021 #29
We know what happened last time. vanlassie Aug 2021 #3
But COVID throws in another huge obstacle. StarryNite Aug 2021 #5
I hope it works out for them. I've been tracking Ida all day and it's jogging farther east than catbyte Aug 2021 #4
This is the consequence of having hospitals chock full of Covid patients all over Vinca Aug 2021 #8
I do hope we will not see another... sheshe2 Aug 2021 #9
That was one of the most terrifying books I've ever read liberal_mama Aug 2021 #10
I know. sheshe2 Aug 2021 #18
Wasn't the flood what made things really really bad from Katrina? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #11
Storm surge backed up the canals LeftInTX Aug 2021 #21
The canal that they closed was the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet Canal... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #24
The levees were the flood control - but had not been maintained csziggy Aug 2021 #25
What the hell are they going to do with the people injured in the hurricane? KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2021 #12
DMAT is probably staged close by to help with portable field hospitals ready to go when needed FloridaBlues Aug 2021 #19
If power goes out. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #13
Hospitals always have back up! PortTack Aug 2021 #14
There's nowhere left in the South to move them susanr516 Aug 2021 #17
There is nowhere for them to go pinkstarburst Aug 2021 #22
Exactly Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #23
Tonight is gonna be an important night... LeftInTX Aug 2021 #26
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Aug 2021 #27

femmedem

(8,199 posts)
1. What an awful, heartbreaking decision to have to make.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:35 PM
Aug 2021

I can't imagine being one of the healthcare workers staying behind to try to help them.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
7. OMG, I hope it's not as horrible as last time. Some of the stories of what happened were
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:01 PM
Aug 2021

just so horrible.

PortTack

(32,750 posts)
16. As a nurse who did flight transfer, the ICU covid patients would die from the transfer
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:52 PM
Aug 2021

They are just that fragile. The only chance they have is to stay put.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
2. I was about to say...there is no place to go.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:42 PM
Aug 2021

Hospitals are near the breaking point already here in Louisiana.

Sad, tragic, and a lot of it preventable (with masks & vaccines).

COL Mustard

(5,888 posts)
6. Solly Mac, Where Are You?
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:51 PM
Aug 2021

My son is in Baton Rouge. I’m not really worried; the school is at least half a mile from the river and elevated, at least a bit.

Hope you’re safe!

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
15. Vernon Parish. We're under Tropical Storm warnings as Ida is hitting to the East of us. (so far)
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:50 PM
Aug 2021

We appear to be far enough inland but last year Hurricane Laura hit us as a category 2 - which was very bad for this rural community.

We get hit if Cameron/Lake Charles gets hit. Straight line with no real barriers...more especially so after Laura. Parts of Lake Charles and a lot of Cameron have still not recovered.

Even Katrina's impact made her way this far inland causing damage and flooding and we're almost 9 hours away from New Orleans.

Thanks! And the same to your son! (staying safe)

COL Mustard

(5,888 posts)
28. Looks Like It's Bending To The East A Little
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 08:53 PM
Aug 2021

Hopefully that'll be good for you and yours. Looks like it's going to pass right over Baton Rouge still as a major hurricane. The school (Geaux Tigers College) is inland a mile or so and up, so they should be okay. Also the school is familiar with these things so they're prepared as best they can be.

Be safe!

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
29. Thanks. Yes. It dropped from a warning to an alert and is now a "statement".
Sun Aug 29, 2021, 12:49 AM
Aug 2021

Told us to be on the watch for news in the event of changes.

I'll still worry though. There's been enough death and destruction already.

Keeps us posted about your son. All the best!

vanlassie

(5,668 posts)
3. We know what happened last time.
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:44 PM
Aug 2021

And there has been years to make different arrangements to insure the safety of the frailest. 😢

catbyte

(34,360 posts)
4. I hope it works out for them. I've been tracking Ida all day and it's jogging farther east than
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 04:46 PM
Aug 2021

the National Hurricane Center has been predicting which will put NOLA in harm's way.

Vinca

(50,250 posts)
8. This is the consequence of having hospitals chock full of Covid patients all over
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:10 PM
Aug 2021

the region. You'd think people would get vaccinated and take precautions just for this eventuality. Now, if they're injured in the storm, they might die waiting in the parking lot of a hospital if they're lucky enough to get to one.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
9. I do hope we will not see another...
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:16 PM
Aug 2021

Last edited Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Five Days at Memorial: Life and Death in a Storm-Ravaged Hospital





It describes the events that took place at Memorial Medical Center over five days as thousands of people were trapped in the hospital without power. The triage system put into effect deprioritized critically ill patients for evacuation, and it was later alleged that a number of these patients were euthanized by medical and nursing staff shortly before the entire hospital was evacuated on the fifth day of the crisis. Fink examines the legal and political consequences of the decision to euthanize patients and the ethical issues surrounding euthanasia and health care in disaster scenarios. The book was well received by most critics and won three awards, including a National Book Critics Circle Award for non-fiction.


ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Days_at_Memorial
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. Wasn't the flood what made things really really bad from Katrina?
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:39 PM
Aug 2021

In particular, swollen levees that failed?

I recall at the time a great deal of talk about gov't flood control projects that were planned but never done ... did any of them ... get done, since then?

LeftInTX

(25,205 posts)
21. Storm surge backed up the canals
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 06:19 PM
Aug 2021

They did close one canal, but I have no idea if it will make an impact.....
I have no idea what projects have been completed since

LeftInTX

(25,205 posts)
24. The canal that they closed was the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet Canal...
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 06:27 PM
Aug 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River%E2%80%93Gulf_Outlet_Canal

Looks like they have a "surge barrier"...I guess it's like a giant version of the Galveston Seawall...

Fortunately, Ida is not Katrina in terms of intensity.

They are forecasting it to possibly reach cat 4 for a brief time. Hurricanes intensify overnight. Right now it's between a cat 2 and cat 3...(It was 5 MPH short of cat 3 at 4 PM update)

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
25. The levees were the flood control - but had not been maintained
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 06:33 PM
Aug 2021

Like most of our infrastructure. Most of the flooding in New Orleans proper happened when some levees gave way, some when the pumping stations failed.

My grandfather worked as a civil engineer in New Orleans 1911-1917. He had pictures of levees failures outside of NO and of building pumping stations.



"On May 14, 1912, a "crawfish hole" began to weaken the levee at Hymelia, just upriver from present-day Killona. It quickly grew to a five-hund red-foot wide gap in the levee spilling water across a huge area from Hymelia to as far as Donaldsonville and Thibodaux to behind Gretna." http://www.historyofstcharlesparish.org/index.php/20th-century/first-industrial-era-1901-1950/cultural-changes/1912-disasters/hymelia-crevasse


Putting in one of the pumps:


I've got a lot more pictures of them dredging a canal of some sort and putting in a pump station. If anyone is interested, PM me and I will ssend you the link.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
12. What the hell are they going to do with the people injured in the hurricane?
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:46 PM
Aug 2021

Suggests a heavy military presence will be required to set up field hospitals.

I'm confident the Biden Administration is keenly aware of that potential massive problem and it will exist a long way up the Mississippi as flooding takes hold.


KY....... ........

susanr516

(1,425 posts)
17. There's nowhere left in the South to move them
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 05:53 PM
Aug 2021

There are virtually no ICU beds left for adult patients here. Even pediatric ICU beds are almost completely filled in most hospitals.

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
22. There is nowhere for them to go
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021

Literally all the ICU beds and pediatric ICU beds across the south are are full. I read an article this morning that said Houston area hospitals have 120 people on a waiting list trying to get an ICU bed. If the worst happens and the hospital loses power and those patients need to be evacuated and transferred elsewhere, there is no other hospital in the surrounding states that has the space to take them.

Get vaccinated.

LeftInTX

(25,205 posts)
26. Tonight is gonna be an important night...
Sat Aug 28, 2021, 08:04 PM
Aug 2021

Ida is expected to pass over a warm eddy, which will result in rapid intensification.....

Now if we get lucky and Ida stays further east, then maybe this won't happen...but unfortunately, hurricanes just seem to be drawn to warm eddies.

Levi said it could possibly undergo an eyewall replacement, which will lower the wind speed, but it actually spreads out the wind field.

This storm is all about storm surge, so a wider wind field, will not help things and make things worse.




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At the 7 PM update Ida is a category 2, but rapid intensification can easily change things.






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