Grand Isle, LA has about 40 people who will ride out Ida

[Stinky The Clown]

Grand Isle is (and has been) forecast to be among the very hardest hit areas. It is low lying and is likely to be scraped clean by wind and storm surge.

Source: live interview with the head of that parish on CNN

[SoCalDavidS]

1. Well, Most Of Them Probably Are Trying To Ride Out Covid Without Vaccination Too

Life is so unimportant to these people, I guess.

[Irish_Dem]

2. It is possible to ride out a Cat 5, but you have to know what you are doing.

South Pacific Islanders can do it using old knowledge.

[LeftInTX]

4. Yeah, but storm surge is this issue here....

[Irish_Dem]

7. The USGS says islands get storm surges too.

[LeftInTX]

12. The gulf coast is horrific due to very shallow, expansive continental shelf...

Even east coast of Florida doesn't have the same issue...

[Irish_Dem]

14. When you see impoverished Fiji islanders survive a direct cat 5 hit, makes me

believe they could figure out a way to survive a storm surge too.

[bottomofthehill]

30. Part of the way to survive is to move away from the coastline.

The first line of defense of a cyclone in Fiji is to evacuate the smaller islands. Once under water there is no coming back to help you until the water recedes. You are only putting others in danger trying to rescue you.

Grand Isle is about 5 feet above sea level so a 10 to 14 foot storm surge is just going to wash over the great majority of the island. There is no reason to be there. You can not protect your house or belongings if they are 5-9 feet under water.

Simple, best to leave. I ran 3 trips to New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina. There were rescue missions but too many recovery missions.

We know better. People should just evacuate.

[femmedem]

24. Grand Isle maximum elevation is only seven feet.

Fiji's maximum elevation, for example, is over 4,000 feet.

I hope you are correct but I think these forty people are extremely likely to be swept out to sea.

[VMA131Marine]

26. Storm surge at Grand Isle is projected at 12-16 feet

I’d have to be in a reinforced concrete building at least twice that high to even consider riding out Ida.

[3Hotdogs]

5. and these people will probably depend on old knowledge

gleaned from Fox and Friends.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Yep. We can only imagine the wisdom Fox will impart on how to handle a Cat 5.

[Chainfire]

19. You mean after they blame the Hurricane on Biden?

[thucythucy]

13. Yes, and sometimes hundreds or even thousands die.

Then too, South Pacific Islanders generally have no way to evacuate.

It is possible to ride out just about anything.

It's also possible to die during one of these events.

[bottomofthehill]

3. Good idea, I have heard they are expecting a 10 to 14 foot storm

Storm surge. The foolish brave. Why would someone stay.

[Chainfire]

21. So it becomes a simple issue of "How long can you hold your breath?"

These are excitement seekers. Manly men and women who aren't afraid of anything.

[jimfields33]

25. They were given very little notice

How many will die on the highway trying to get out of Louisiana. No perfect solution since the notice from this storm was late at best.

[Lochloosa]

27. They had 2-3 days notice.

[jimfields33]

28. Not enough time.

Heck just hurricane prep takes that long. Oh leave windows exposed? I don’t think so.

[Lochloosa]

29. I've lived in FL all my life....it's plenty of time.

[jimfields33]

31. I'm in central Florida. Haven't left yet

Although Irma still haunts me. That was a brutal night. Lost a dirty oak out back. Thank goodness didn’t hit the house.

[LeftInTX]

6. At least it is only 40 and not thousands...

[jimfields33]

32. Now there saying 26. Lol.

By tonight it will be everyone evacuated.

[LeftInTX]

33. I read most were first responders...

[QED]

8. Reminds me of those who refused to evacuate from Mt. St. Helens

Harry Truman probably vaporized according to this article. Lots of sciency stuff.

https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/harry-versus-the-volcano

[Sympthsical]

10. Ha! We posted the same thing at the exact same time.

Awesome =)

[QED]

15. GMTA!

[LeftInTX]

18. Vaporized???

His body just wasn't found....

I'm pretty sure his bones are out there somewhere...

[QED]

22. The article explains the effect of temperatures on a body.

Vaporizing an entire body would require three steps: vaporizing water, vaporizing viscera, and vaporizing bones. The water content of human beings changes as we age, dropping from 75% in squishy newborns to around 60% in (somewhat literally) crusty old folk. Given Truman’s weight and age (mid-80s), he probably carried 100 pounds of water, and it would have taken around 27,000 (food) calories to raise that water to boiling temperature and then boil it off.

But what about the solid portions of his body? Vaporizing organs might sound outlandish, but it is possible: a few victims near Vesuvius had the tops of their heads blown off as their brains boiled inside their skulls. Researchers have tested this possibility. Because our bodies contain dozens of types of organs and tissues, some studies have used dried pork (which is similar to human flesh) as a quick-and-dirty proxy rather than tabulate the heat-absorption properties of each component. A human adult body, after subtracting the water, contains around 25 pounds of organs, gristle, and fat. Given that dried pork has about 230 calories per hundred grams, it takes around 27,000 more calories to break all that down.

Vaporizing Truman’s 25-pound skeleton would involve breaking down the main mineral in bone—calcium hydroxyapatite, or Ca10(PO4)6(OH)2—and would require an additional 21,000 or so calories. This brings us to a grand total of 75,000 calories—a good month’s worth of food intake, all delivered in one blow. Few things other than an atom bomb can vaporize a human body between heartbeats, but volcanoes belong to this club: overall, the Mount St. Helens blast released the equivalent of (depending on the estimate) several thousand Hiroshima bombs over its nine-hour eruption.

So the last seconds of Harry Truman’s existence would have looked like this: After he died of heat shock, his clothing would have gone up like flash paper—his jeans and sweater and sandals all incinerating. There would have been a hiss as the water inside him boiled and his body blackened into carbon. Then everything would have more or less sublimed, jumping from solid to spirit.

https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/harry-versus-the-volcano

Because science....

[LeftInTX]

35. Just because the site is "Science History" doesn't mean it's so

Show me a real research article published in a real research journal...with an .edu extension, then maybe I will believe it....

The Mount Vesuvius eruption didn’t ‘vaporize’ victims; it baked and suffocated them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/01/23/vesuvius-eruption-victims-research/

Their flesh may not have been “vaporized” and turned to ash by the superheated flow of hot gas and volcanic matter roaring down the mountain, as previously thought.

Rather, they more likely were “baked” and suffocated by toxic fumes, according to a team of British and Italian scholars.

Those findings appear in the latest issue of the archaeological journal Antiquity.

Even at this, no bones were ever hypothesized to have vaporized at Vesuvius...just soft tissue.....Yeah if you blood boils, it vaporizes..But bones????

[QED]

36. Perhaps you aren't familiar with the books of Sam Kean.

Caesar's Last Breath...

But whatever. You do you.

[Sympthsical]

9. More like Ida will ride them

There are always these types during disasters.

Whenever I read about them, I always think about Harry R. Truman. He was an old bootlegger near Mount St. Helens. He refused to leave before the eruption and became a media celebrity.

It went about as well as could be expected. I believe the wikipedia entry uses the word "vaporized."

[haele]

16. Some of those people probably can't vice won't leave.

Just 40 can be one or two families who are unable to evacuate (no car, sick/elderly family members) plus perhaps a dozen or so caretaker emergency/essential workers staying behind and have been trained how to ride out a hurricane.

Haele

[Lochloosa]

17. I remember Camille. They won't make it.

[Chainfire]

23. An interesting question is, "How did they make it this far?"

[femmedem]

37. Some of the people were sheltering in the Grand Isle police station.

Around midday the police chief said the roof was starting to go. There's audio of him telling a reporter to make it stop because they couldn't take another few hours.

Link to tweet

[Lochloosa]

38. Damn

[femmedem]

39. If this tweet is accurate, they all survived!

Link to tweet

[Lochloosa]

40. amazing but great. Bet they won't do that again.

[Auggie]

20. "Ride it out" ... and then what?

No electricity, food, gas, water for days. Impassable roads, leaky roofs, sanitation/sewage problems ...

"Ride it out" makes it sound fun, like a roller coaster. Hey, suckers:

[BumRushDaShow]

34. It's coming in now just west of there

Link to tweet

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National Hurricane Center
@NHC_Atlantic
1155 AM CDT: #Ida made landfall as an extremely dangerous category 4 hurricane near Port Fourchon, Louisiana, with maximum sustained winds of 150 mph and a minimum central pressure of 930 mb (27.46 inches) http://hurricanes.gov
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12:57 PM · Aug 29, 2021