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RandySF

(58,776 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:02 AM Aug 2021

Ohio Judge Forces Hospital to Use Parasite Drug

An Ohio judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease, the Ohio Capital Journal reports.



https://politicalwire.com/2021/08/30/ohio-judge-forces-hospital-to-use-parasite-drug-on-patient/

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Ohio Judge Forces Hospital to Use Parasite Drug (Original Post) RandySF Aug 2021 OP
That's what kind of dumb asses we have to deal with here. blueinredohio Aug 2021 #1
Yup. The usual kind of dumbasses. MineralMan Aug 2021 #2
One more reason I'm glad I left. Good gawd. we can do it Aug 2021 #36
Seems grounds to have the judge removed. And puts the docs in a bad place with the medical board if dutch777 Aug 2021 #3
Yep, didn't need to look it up but I did. Asshole Republican CurtEastPoint Aug 2021 #4
Direct link to original article: Ocelot II Aug 2021 #5
These are the same people USAFRetired_Liberal Aug 2021 #6
These are the same people who say that mask mandates are akin to Nazism. Caliman73 Aug 2021 #31
The doctor would be violating his Hippocratic Oath. sop Aug 2021 #7
No, the couple found a GQP doctor who prescribed ivermectin csziggy Aug 2021 #20
The FDA recently advised: sop Aug 2021 #27
Exactly! Any physician or nurse administering the drug is libel regardless of what a judge orders PortTack Aug 2021 #28
Ah WHITT Aug 2021 #8
It was prescribed by a doctor she found online maxsolomon Aug 2021 #16
But WHITT Aug 2021 #32
Let the GOP doctor who prescribed it administer it, then. n/t Mister Ed Aug 2021 #34
Good to know that judges are now making medical decisions....and the absolutely wrong ones spanone Aug 2021 #9
This decision makes no sense elias7 Aug 2021 #10
Should be disbarred, disrobed, and defrocked. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #12
And deboned, for good measure. Polly Hennessey Aug 2021 #13
+1 lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #14
Deglazed too. NameAlreadyTaken Aug 2021 #22
There would be no real consequences to anyone refusing to give the drug PortTack Aug 2021 #29
The world is full of idiots Hekate Aug 2021 #11
Ah, the exurbs of Cincinnati... maxsolomon Aug 2021 #15
How can a Judge force a hospital to use a drug not for that specific purpose... Historic NY Aug 2021 #17
We're living the real version of the movie Idiocracy. sarcasmo Aug 2021 #18
I'd tell that judge to kiss my ass, show me his medical license, or both. Aristus Aug 2021 #19
I'm sorry, but the order has no force of law ScratchCat Aug 2021 #21
Any judge that would do this needs to be recalled immediately. nt GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #23
Call It WHITT Aug 2021 #33
Is there one covid patient anywhere who was cured by ivermectin? NameAlreadyTaken Aug 2021 #24
If the internet quack doctor does not have hospital privileges... Thunderbeast Aug 2021 #25
Bet you anything the couple refused the vaccine because it "isn't FDA approved" Takket Aug 2021 #26
Will she sue the hospital for wrongful death if her husband dies hamsterjill Aug 2021 #30
This judge is an idiot LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #35

dutch777

(3,013 posts)
3. Seems grounds to have the judge removed. And puts the docs in a bad place with the medical board if
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:07 AM
Aug 2021

they do it or in contempt of court if they do not. This seems hard to believe. Just when you think things can't get more crazy.

USAFRetired_Liberal

(4,167 posts)
6. These are the same people
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:08 AM
Aug 2021

These are the same people who refuse to get the vaccine because they say it’s unsafe m, but will shove everything else on their bodies that their conservative bubble tells them to

Caliman73

(11,732 posts)
31. These are the same people who say that mask mandates are akin to Nazism.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:20 PM
Aug 2021

You can't make this up. A judge, who knows nothing about medicine, is forcing medical staff, to give a drug contraindicated by all medical science, to a patient.

And in Texas, you can sue anyone at anytime, with no legal penalties, if you think that they are performing or receiving an abortion, a completely medically validated procedure of the patient's choosing. But yes, liberals are the Nazis because we want people to cover their mouths when in public to curtail the spread of a disease that has already killed more then 620,000 people in the US in the course of 18 months.

sop

(10,163 posts)
7. The doctor would be violating his Hippocratic Oath.
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:14 AM
Aug 2021

What insanity will these imbeciles come up with next? Bloodletting? Trepanation? Leeches?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
20. No, the couple found a GQP doctor who prescribed ivermectin
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:10 AM
Aug 2021

But the hospital refused to dispense it, so the idiot wife sued the hospital to force them to administer it. Apparently, the hospital didn't even send an attorney to the hearing to resist.

Judge orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings
Doc calls Ivermectin’s advocates “snake oil salesmen”
By: Jake Zuckerman - August 30, 2021 1:00 am

>>>>>>>>>>>

Julie Smith found Ivermectin on her own and connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, an Ohio physician who her lawsuit identifies as “one of the foremost experts on using Ivermectin in treating COVID-19.” He prescribed the drug, and the hospital refused to administer it.

A hospital spokeswoman said she can’t comment on litigation and federal patient privacy laws prevent her from commenting on any specifics of patient care.

Smith is represented by New York attorney Ralph Lorigo, the chairman of New York’s Erie County Conservative Party, who has successfully filed one similar case against a Chicago area hospital and two more in Buffalo. He did not respond to an email or phone call.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It’s unclear why the hospital didn’t mount any defense under a new law passed in the state budget this summer that grants health care providers the “freedom to decline to perform” any service which violates their “conscience,” as informed by moral, ethical or religious beliefs.

More: https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/08/30/judge-orders-cinci-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-despite-cdc-warnings/

sop

(10,163 posts)
27. The FDA recently advised:
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:37 AM
Aug 2021

“Using any treatment for COVID-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm." Any quack who prescribes Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid-19 is violating his/her Hippocratic oath to "do no harm."

PortTack

(32,757 posts)
28. Exactly! Any physician or nurse administering the drug is libel regardless of what a judge orders
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:02 PM
Aug 2021

This is how it works and has always worked. If a physician orders the wrong drug, the wrong dose and a nurse gives it, the nurse is every bit as guilty as the physician. The judge is way out of bounds. Any doctor or nurse refusing to give it are well within their rights and are doing the right thing...protecting their patient REGARDLESS!

maxsolomon

(33,313 posts)
16. It was prescribed by a doctor she found online
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:03 AM
Aug 2021

"Julie Smith found Ivermectin on her own and connected with Dr. Fred Wagshul, an Ohio physician who her lawsuit identifies as “one of the foremost experts on using Ivermectin in treating COVID-19.” He prescribed the drug, and the hospital refused to administer it."

The Judge is enforcing the prescription, I guess.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
10. This decision makes no sense
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:17 AM
Aug 2021

A non-medical person forcing those whose licensure depends on doing no harm, to administer a drug that has no proven efficacy and may be harmful to a patient. And what would be the consequences if medical personnel refuse? Can you imagine a doctor or hospital being held liable for not administering a non-indicated medication? This person cannot be a judge.

PortTack

(32,757 posts)
29. There would be no real consequences to anyone refusing to give the drug
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:04 PM
Aug 2021

If they give the drug and the patient claims damage...no matter how inconsequential, they will find themselves without license and facing criminal charges.

maxsolomon

(33,313 posts)
15. Ah, the exurbs of Cincinnati...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:02 AM
Aug 2021

"Julie Smith filed the lawsuit on behalf of her husband of 24 years. He tested positive for COVID-19 July 9, was hospitalized and admitted to the ICU July 15, and was sedated and intubated and placed on a ventilator Aug. 1. He later developed a secondary infection he’s still wrestling with as of Aug. 23, court records say."

A real doctor prescribed it, so I guess give it to the dude. He's been in the ICU over a month; can it really harm him at this point? It probably can, but would anyone be able to tell?

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
17. How can a Judge force a hospital to use a drug not for that specific purpose...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:04 AM
Aug 2021

Does that mean he studied this or went on the whims of a complainant. What happens when the patient croaks, will the hospital be sued? Does this mean I can ask a court for any drug I want, including illicit ones for pain?

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
21. I'm sorry, but the order has no force of law
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:16 AM
Aug 2021

Its a complete joke. I don't care what anyone says. Nobody at that hospital has to administer that drug and the judge can't force anyone to. It doesn't matter that she found someone online. The husband isn't being treated by the quack online while in the hospital.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
25. If the internet quack doctor does not have hospital privileges...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:25 AM
Aug 2021

...how can he order the hospital to administer.

Can a doctor found on the web order hydrochloroquin? Injections of bleach? Shoving bright lights into the colon?

Must the hospital accept prescribers from outside it's circle of admitting physicians?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
30. Will she sue the hospital for wrongful death if her husband dies
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:15 PM
Aug 2021

After receiving the ivermectin?

I will await an update on the man’s condition.

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