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2015-10-05
The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet has today decided to award the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with one half jointly to
William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura
for their discoveries concerning a novel therapy against infections caused by roundworm parasites.
A variety of parasites cause disease. A medically important group are the parasitic worms (helminths), which are estimated to afflict one third of the worlds population and are particularly prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Central and South America. River Blindness and Lymphatic Filariasis are two diseases caused by parasitic worms. As the name implies, River Blindness (Onchocerciasis) ultimately leads to blindness, because of chronic inflammation in the cornea. Lymphatic Filariasis, afflicting more than 100 million people, causes chronic swelling and leads to life-long stigmatizing and disabling clinical symptoms, including Elephantiasis (Lymphedema) and Scrotal Hydrocele.
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After decades of limited progress in developing durable therapies for parasitic diseases, the discoveries by this years Laureates radically changed the situation.
Satoshi Ōmura, a Japanese microbiologist and expert in isolating natural products, focused on a group of bacteria, Streptomyces, which lives in the soil and was known to produce a plethora of agents with antibacterial activities (including Streptomycin discovered by Selman Waksman, Nobel Prize 1952). Equipped with extraordinary skills in developing unique methods for large-scale culturing and characterization of these bacteria, Ōmura isolated new strains of Streptomyces from soil samples and successfully cultured them in the laboratory. From many thousand different cultures, he selected about 50 of the most promising, with the intent that they would be further analyzed for their activity against harmful microorganisms.
William C. Campbell, an expert in parasite biology working in the USA, acquired Ōmuras Streptomyces cultures and explored their efficacy. Campbell showed that a component from one of the cultures was remarkably efficient against parasites in domestic and farm animals. The bioactive agent was purified and named Avermectin, which was subsequently chemically modified to a more effective compound called Ivermectin. Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria) (Figure 3). Collectively, Ōmura and Campbells contributions led to the discovery of a new class of drugs with extraordinary efficacy against parasitic diseases.
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Today the Avermectin-derivative Ivermectin is used in all parts of the world that are plagued by parasitic diseases. Ivermectin is highly effective against a range of parasites, has limited side effects and is freely available across the globe. The importance of Ivermectin for improving the health and well being of millions of individuals with River Blindness and Lymphatic Filariasis, primarily in the poorest regions of the world, is immeasurable. Treatment is so successful that these diseases are on the verge of eradication, which would be a major feat in the medical history of humankind.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/
Characterizing ivermectin as an "horse dewormer" does disservice to the huge benefit it has had for millions of the poorest people in the tropics, particularly for largely eradicating river blindness in Africa.
It is also scientifically inaccurate.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)rockfordfile
(8,742 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This sort of propaganda starts gradually, building a narrative through a slippery series of posts.
(1) "Ivermectin is perfectly safe for humans!"
(2) "Ivermectin kills stuff"
(3) "If you need to kill stuff, try Ivermenctin"
Wounded Bear
(64,304 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)You're really reaching. Your antivaxxer crap is not welcome here.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)IVM being one of the most prescribed and important drugs in Africa and emerging countries. There is IVM
Made for animals and IVM for HUMANS.
xmas74
(30,054 posts)Is horse dewormer or Sheep Drench. I know someone with several horses. She said horse groups are talking about how it's in short supply because they're buying it at Tractor Supply,Fleet Farm, Farm and Fleet,Orschlens, Swishers,etc and using it for human consumption. They are buying products not made for that purpose.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)Since almost all doctors are refusing to prescribe it for covid... Since it does not help at all... Many lunatic RWNJ's are buying the paste used as a dewormer to 'treat' themselves so... Yeah, they are taking dewormer.
EYESORE 9001
(29,714 posts)and even if Ivermectin were effective against COVID-19, humans shouldnt be taking formulations of it designed for horses or other livestock.
Its a valuable medication, but not for COVID-19.
Xoan
(25,570 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This poster has a history of posts that insinuate all kinds of RW talking points, while being clever enough to not quite get alerted.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)The poster is just trying to educate some of you folks that IVM is not just a f..king dewormer. There is a HUMAN pill That had saved millions of lives in Africa, South America and the developing countries - river blindness, encephalitis, etc
Over decades, over 4 billion doses given with a good safety record.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Ocelot II
(130,488 posts)they've been getting bad information from the internet, causing them to believe ivermectin cures or prevents covid19. It doesn't. The drug is useful and appropriate as prescribed for humans in proper dosages for certain parasitic diseases, but ingesting horse dewormer in doses appropriate for a 1,000-lb. horse will give you bad diarrhea without doing a damn thing about your covid problem.
Blues Heron
(8,808 posts)If you don't want to be accused of swallowing horse paste, maybe get your ivermectin from a doctor not a vet?
quaint
(5,068 posts)Heres What You Need to Know about Ivermectin
FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans.
What is Ivermectin and How is it Used?
Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea.
Some forms of ivermectin are used in animals to prevent heartworm disease and certain internal and external parasites. Its important to note that these products are different from the ones for people, and safe when used as prescribed for animals, only.
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)how they take the horse paste. Do they put it on a cracker? Mix it with chocolate? It must be vile tasting, I often end up with half the dose I give my horses right back in my hair!
Yes it is helpful but not for Covid. I have never heard of it being used in this country any other way than horse wormer and even so, it is the most common way it is used here and hardly a bad thing to call it horse dewormer.
At this point, and I do get your point, it would be irresponsible to not try anything to get them to stop this stupid self treatment that will help no one unless they have parasites.
xmas74
(30,054 posts)The "proud patriots" are making videos of them smearing it on their finger and taking it straight up.
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)of course. How could I not have known? LOL, thanks, I think I will skip it.
xmas74
(30,054 posts)It's free entertainment.
nebby70
(491 posts)... round worms, and parasites are big ole nasty things that live inside you that have a nerves...
... hence a neuron-toxin works on them...
... virus are teeny tiny little things without a nerve ... (okay they have 'nerve', but don't have 'nerves'...
... hence they don't give a fig about something that disrupts nerve operation...
.... better??.....
Ligyron
(8,006 posts)Yet theyll take Ivermectin which is specifically NOT approved by them for treating COVID.
The irony - you cant make this shit up.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)Including this statement:
"Characterizing ivermectin as an "horse dewormer" does disservice to the huge benefit it has had for millions of the poorest people in the tropics, particularly for largely eradicating river blindness in Africa.
It is also scientifically inaccurate."
Both of those statements are unequivocally true. The poster did not praise the drug as an anti- Covid treatment, or those who promote it as such. When a drug is helping millions of people in underserved areas of the world it is perfectly acceptable to note that. I would think people on DU would be able to distinguish between the facts of a drug's benefits and the idiocy of those who use it in ignorant ways.
Blues Heron
(8,808 posts)lol this thread reminds me of the awesome leave britanny alone meme
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)Between most of the responses and the responses you see on RW sites when facts are introduced.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)OPs so often have the one only at the expense of the other... as well as the responses.
(I see now... threading the needle isn't hard at all)
treestar
(82,383 posts)The poster said nothing anti-vaxx, merely that the drug is not just for horses.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Almost as if they're coordinated...hmmm....
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)Who, pray tell, are these anti-vaxxer and pro-Ivermectin posters who are conspiring to team up here? I haven't seen any and I certainly have not made any such posts. Perhaps you could enlighten us and then we can investigate this RW plot. If not, we can only conclude that you are making unsubstantiated accusations against this poster and others. Perhaps I'm part of the "plot" in your mind. The poster simply made the FACTUAL point that the drug has saved millions of lives and you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water because of some RW idiots. Have any FACTS to back up your claims?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Hey, look - it's OK for people!"
Next step is "and it does kill stuff!"
Next step is "if you need to kill something, try this!"
It's part of a concerted pattern of posts. There are others here, doing similar stuff. Each individual post just skates the line, but collectively, they create doubt and confusion. And kill people.
Those who leap to the defense of this strategy must naturally draw some scrutiny themselves.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)Where are the links to these supposed "concerted pattern of posts" that you claim to exist. Who is posting them? You made accusations, so back them up. Either that or apologize to the poster. The only deflection and tricks are on your part. Unless, of course, you can prove me wrong with links, actual quotes, you know FACTUAL sorts of things that show you aren't just making despicable accusations against other posters.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)You seem rather sensitive about this.
Odd.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)Not one link, not one quote. Just wild accusations with nothing to back them up. In fact, you are exemplifying exactly what you claim others are doing. Projection at its worst. Case closed.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Many have no Idea that there is Horse IVM and HUMAN IVM and HUMAN IVM has a great safety record.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)It also isn't used as an antiviral. The OP is not about truth. It's defending rightwingers pushing horse dewormer as a treatment for covid.
blm
(114,653 posts)They count on mixed messaging.
FFS!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Look at this poster's history.
captain queeg
(11,780 posts)Who would use it for its intended purpose. Horse owners (maybe other livestock) would have to go to a vet for a prescription. I think of Sudafed which is not available right over the counter any more. Either have to ask the pharmacist or in some states get a doctors prescription due to people abusing it. Not the exact same situation, but a few can screw things up for the many.
hlthe2b
(113,900 posts)THAT IS NOT scientifically inaccurate. And while I laud its use for such devasting human parasitic diseases as river blindness, Filariasis, and common helminth infections, to discount its value in similarly treating livestock is abhorrent. Those goats, cattle, pigs feed those populations and their parasites are devastating to their long-term health, reproductive efficiency, and likewise can often transmit to other animals, including humans.
So, in your zeal to discount veterinary uses of this drug as somehow being "less" important or of little value, you have diminished the point of your own post.
That said, there is no valid study supporting use of Ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19 or any other virus. The one study upon which others base their assumptions was withdrawn by the author after accusations of fraudulent data became widespread. So, if you meant for your post to bolster use in humans for COVID-19, it is at best highly speculative and premature pending ANY human double-blinded studies whatsoever.
See
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15797181
and the thread
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and here in the USA at least its primary use is veterinary. Calling it "horse dewormer" is fair.
Kali
(56,828 posts)primary use in the US is in livestock, it is perfectly legit to call it horse dewormer.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)The primary use of Ivermectin is in treating parasitic infections in livestock.
People say, "Horse de-wormer" because it is the most attention grabbing phrase to denote that treating a parasite is NOT AT ALL like treating a virus. You are absolutely correct. It is inaccurate.
I do not think that it does any kind of disservice to anyone. If my kids get lice or some other kind of parasitic disease, then of course I will ask their doctor about Ivermectin or other anti-parasitic medication. If they get streptococcus or a UTI, then anti-bacterial it is. The flu? Well, if we can catch it in time, Tamiflu or similar antiviral.
No one is actually mocking Ivermectin as a drug. We are mocking idiots who want to use it in a way that is completely contradictory to its intended purpose is.
Hugin
(37,840 posts)who are advocating its inappropriate use.
Response to Klaralven (Original post)
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mathematic
(1,610 posts)
It's even apple flavored!
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)Ivermectin is a dewormer. When taken orally by humans in very poor and healthcare challenged countries, it is still a dewormer.
In the US, it is known as a "horse wormer" because, I suspect, that the majority of people who buy it call it a "horse wormer" and use it for that purpose.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)This is medical study by a respected university, everyone does know that studies like this are also used to rule out treatments as well as recommending them, right?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)However, the poster is trying to subtly insinuate that it's perfectly fine to give to humans. Of course, that paves the way toward "let's give it for COVID - it kills stuff and it's OK for people!1!"
HAB911
(10,439 posts)ANY medicine not approved for COVID
TOO FUNNY
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)not shown to be in the least effective against the virus or approved by the FDA is insane enough.
It's also commonly been used by hospitals here to treat for some parasites, including scabies. Though it's not FDA approved for scabies either, whole communities may see decreases in scabies mite infestations. That's skin these happy little mites are cavorting in and they're eager spreaders, so horse dewormer use is not without its good side.

HAB911
(10,439 posts)but I cant get her to stop grazing in the backyard. And all the mooing. The neighbors are starting to talk
xmas74
(30,054 posts)Dewormer or Sheep Drench. They're buying it at Orschlens and Tractor Supply.
It's not a disservice if it accurately describes what they are using.
Locutusofborg
(580 posts)I, for one, want as many Trump supporters to be free of worms and parasites as possible. Worms and parasites can be co-existing conditions that can weaken the immune system and make one more susceptible to COVID-19.
ProfessorGAC
(76,673 posts)An extensive post with citations but without a point.
The issue (and it's the only issue) is that a drug with evidence near zero is an antiviral, or an effective respiratory antiinflammatory, is being promoted as a COVID therapeutic.
The use of, or usefulness, of IVM for other maladies is wholly irrelevant.
All that typing and it fails to answer the simple question "So what?"
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The idea is to slowly ease us into antivaxxer crazyland. I think the OP mistakes us for idiots.
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The campaign is quite slippery and it's hard to flag any one post. Somebody has to look at the full histories of these posters.
jmowreader
(53,177 posts)
which is quite accurate, by the way, are:
One, ivermectin is an antihelmitic. It kills worms. Thats what its for, and thats all its for.
And two, most of the people who are trying to treat their COVID with ivermectin arent using pills intended for people
which may not even be in your local pharmacies because the US doesnt have the conditions needed for these worms to take hold. Theyre going to the feed store and buying equine-grade paste.
So
what the Trumpists are using is, quite literally, horse dewormer.
kcr
(15,522 posts)It is, however, entirely inaccurate to claim it works as an antiviral.