Joe Rogan's fate represents a critical juncture for the pandemic

[Shermann]

Joe Rogan's CV-19 positive status is a unique moment. He seems to be the incarnation of every Republican false hope, exaggerated claim, misguided effort, and downplayed risk in one tattooed package.

Relatively young...check
No risk factors that I am aware of...check
Taking Z-Pak...check
Taking Ivermectin...check
Taking vitamins...check
Promoted these alternatives on his show while brushing aside the merits of vaccines...check

If Rogan succumbs to CV-19, it could be the final wake-up call to those with aligned beliefs.

If Rogan pulls through, he will instead be just another example alternative "thinkers" can point to. As we know, random anecdotal information that comes from within the trusted conservative network can hold more weight to insiders than rigorous studies from "outsider" scientists.

While I have no reason to wish the man harm, could his untimely demise actually steer the course of the pandemic and ultimately save lives?

[LakeArenal]

1. Because he "says" he's taking ivermectin?

I don’t believe a word from his anus mouth.

[Shermann]

4. I take him at his word on that

Since he has symptoms there is something like a 90% chance that he isn't vaccinated.

So that part was true. The rest sort of dovetails into that.

[LakeArenal]

8. Trump also had covid and lied and said it wasn't so bad.

Then we find out he almost died.

[BootinUp]

40. ha ha ha. why would you take him at his word?

[Takket]

9. exactly...

the guy is getting the best most advanced medical care money can buy. and when he gets better, he'll "i told you so" on ivermectin, draw in more listeners, draw in more revenue... etc. its always about the grift... and with MAGAts they are eating out of your hand as long as you take any opinion contrary to anything Democrats propose.

[LakeArenal]

16. ✔️

[Dorian Gray]

67. Does he sell supplements, too?

because he'll be like: See... I take vitamins every day. Buy the same ones I take!

[Taylor Picker]

50. I'll believe it when he starts shedding his intestinal lining and says he's pooping worms.

[LakeArenal]

52. He himself is a pooping worm.

[Mr.Bill]

73. And he "says" he has covid.

Everything about this story is bullshit.

[VarryOn]

2. Is he in bad shape? Your post and a couple others I've read make it sound like it...

I'm not finding anything online saying he is.

[TheProle]

13. He is reporting that he feels great.

[VarryOn]

15. That's good. Thanks! Nt

[scrabblequeen40]

3. Doubt it.i

Even when their own life is on the line, they go the grave denying Covid is real. Also, Joe can go to hell.

[ZonkerHarris]

5. he also had a dose of monoclonal antibodies which is the real thing that will save him.

[Hoyt]

6. If he doesn't get really ill, we'll hear it ain't bad BS.

[hlthe2b]

7. It has been reported elsewhere that he received monoclonal antibody rx (Regeneron) so

he's most likely going to "skate" and continue to cause immeasurable damage spewing his propaganda. Worse, he will undoubtedly credit ivermectin for his survival.

If there is karma, how about not waiting on this one....

[cadoman]

10. the article titles are misleading--he first was symptomatic saturday and is up and about now

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-rogan-covid-19-ivermectin/

He may relapse, or whatever the term is. I'm not inclined to hope for it but the facts are it can happen. He's relatively young and healthy.

Like any celebrity case everyone watches it more closely and reads more into it than they should. This goes all the way back to Magic Johnson and AIDS (at least that's how far back it goes in my lifetime). Rogan's outcome will shift some minds--more if the ivermectin does something gruesome to him.

We should all remember too that even before the vaccine a lot of people beat COVID, Survival rate was even well above 50% from what I've heard.

[Zeitghost]

27. Gruesome like what?

Unless you're self medicating and can't do basic math on pet meds, Ivermectin is perfectly safe and widely used humans all the time. It's not going to do anything gruesome.

The calculated survival rate on COVID is 99%+, actual is even higher. So yeah, he'll most likely be okay.

[cadoman]

32. AMA just announced that Ivermectin poses a significant risk of toxicity

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-apha-ashp-statement-ending-use-ivermectin-treat-covid-19

Basically if you don't use it how AMA/CDC/FDA prescribe you run a very, very high risk of a toxic reaction and dying. Poison control centers are being flooded with calls about it (over a five-fold increase).

The toxic affects include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Overdoses are associated with hypotension and neurologic effects such as decreased consciousness, confusion, hallucinations, seizures, coma, and death.

We are going to see a five fold or much higher increase in ivermectin harm if we don't start suppressing misinformation about it. It could literally turn from a COVID pandemic of the unvaccinated into a COVID and ivermectin mis-use pandemic of the unvaccinated.

[Zeitghost]

39. If you're taking a dose ment for a horse maybe

Ivermectin, when prescribed by a Dr in human appropriate doses is perfectly safe and has been used worldwide with great success with treating parasites.

[Ms. Toad]

43. The dose that has any theoretical support for treating humans with COVID

is toxic.

Different diseases require different doses, so it isn't the body injesting it, it bug being targeted (COVID v. parasites)

[Zeitghost]

53. I am specifically referencing

Ivermectin prescribed, for whatever reason, by a Doc. If you are taking Ivermectin under the care and guidance of a medical professional, it is a remarkably safe drug to take.

Whether those doses are effective against COVID is another matter altogether. India and other countries appear to have widely used it safely and possibly effectively. Ongoing trials will give us a better idea.



*Disclaimer for those who continue to report me*
I am not advocating the use of Ivermectin for COVID, nor am I suggesting it is a better option than a vaccine, it quite clearly is not. I am only pointing out that is a safe and widely used medicine that is used in humans around the world on a regular basis.

[Ms. Toad]

65. The doctors who are prescribing it for COVID (the demon sperm cult of doctors)

are not prescribing it at the levels which are proven to be safe. They are prescribing it at significantly higher levels than used to treat parasites.

While I would agree that those doctors should not be prescribing medicine Ivermectin at levels which are unsafe, the reality is that they are.

[Drunken Irishman]

63. The 99+% survival rate is so damn deceptive.

It leads people to believe every person who contracts COVID has a 99% chance of surviving - and that isn't true. It's not equal across the board.

The reality is that your odds of surviving depend on a lot of things: including your age, weight and preexisting conditions status.

I'm not necessarily calling you out but I think the narrative that you have a 99% chance of surviving has proven extremely dangerous, as it's led to people believing they, too, will have a 99% chance of surviving COVID if they get it.

But no. Not at all. If you're a 72 year old obese man with diabetes and COPD, I guarantee your chances of surviving COVID is far less than 99% if you're not vaccinated.

Joe Rogan, though? You're right. He probably has a much better chance.

[Zeitghost]

64. I agree

For some the rate is 99.999 and for others it's much much worse, depending largely on things you mention like age, weight and pre-existing conditions.

[SweetieD]

11. I would bet anything he has been fully vaccinated. He will never admit it to his brain dead

Followers. So he will not die or be vented.

[Mariana]

37. I believe he's having the monoclonal antibody treatment

which works very well when taken early. And yes, he's probably been vaccinated too. He'll be fine.

[Revanchist]

60. He mentioned before on his podcast that he's taken the vaccine

He just doesn't believe that the vaccine should be a personal choice and not mandatory. He's also said that even he wouldn't take medical advice from an idiot like himself and that this was just his personal opinion.

[Big Blue Marble]

12. He should recover

he took monoclonals which is unusual for someone his age and indicates he is not taking any chances.
Of course, his fans on the right will assumed it was the Ivermectin that saved him reinforcing their myths and beliefs.

[beaglelover]

14. I'm sure he'll be fine. He says he already feels much better.

It's the Monoclonal antibodies that will save him, not the horse paste.

[PortTack]

17. If that's the case, then he's had the vaccine. Monoclonals really help for those vaccinated

Unvaccinated, it may stop some of the most sever damage, but they don’t skate!

[LisaL]

18. Hah?

That's not true at all.
Trump wasn't vaccinated when he got Regeneron.

[gldstwmn]

23. And his pulse ox was in the 80's.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. For something like a couple of days?

He was in the hospital for 2 days, and that included photo ops and a joy ride.

He effectively did skate, and he likely would have died without the antibodies.

[gldstwmn]

28. He looked like he was going to keel over

when he ran up the Whit House stairs and ripped the mask off. Know why he didn't? Steroids. Trump's Covid was detected almost immediately. That's what saved him. Most people couldn't even get tested at that point.

[LisaL]

30. Actually, we don't know how quickly his covid was detected.

I don't think he was being tested regularly.

[gldstwmn]

36. He absolutely was no matter

if he said otherwise. In fact here you go:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-tested-coronavirus-multiple-times-day-375957

White House says Trump gets tested ‘multiple times a day’ for coronavirus
“The president is the most tested man in America,” press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters.


President Donald Trump.

By QUINT FORGEY

07/21/2020 02:01 PM EDT

Updated: 07/21/2020 07:14 PM EDT

As Americans still struggle to access coronavirus testing and receive prompt results, President Donald Trump is being screened for the disease as many as “multiple times a day,” his top spokesperson acknowledged Tuesday.

“As I’ve made clear from this podium, the president is the most tested man in America,” White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters. “He’s tested more than anyone, multiple times a day, and we believe that he’s acting appropriately.”

[caraher]

62. I agree he likely was being tested regularly, but...

when the source is McEnany it almost makes me think he wasn't tested often!

I love the Trumpian superlatives... he wasn't just being tested, he was "the most tested man in America!"

At that stage it was probably something to rub in the faces of people who couldn't get a test at all.

Anyway, he is a notorious germophobe, so it's hard to imagine he didn't get tested frequently

[Azathoth]

19. Rogan is smarter than he lets on

He's claiming to be taking "everything" so he doesn't piss off any faction of the covid-deniers by snubbing their magic cure of choice.

I seriously doubt he's actually taking all that.

[BannonsLiver]

48. Sigh. It doesn't matter. The validating effect is the same.

[gldstwmn]

20. I don't even think he's sick. He's doing the opposite.

He proving that those bullshit snake oil cures work. The thing is he's probably vaxxed and doesn't have Covid. We really need to follow the money on this Ivermectin bullshit.

[CrackityJones75]

34. My take as well!

[Poiuyt]

21. Is Joe Rogan a conservative radio host?

I see his podcast come up on some of my suggestion lists, but I know nothing about him.

[XanaDUer2]

22. Me too nt

[Shermann]

44. I'd say he's a right-leaning centrist maybe?

He interviews a lot of conservatives, but is also liberal on many issues like marijuana. But his position on the vaccines and alternative treatments appears to be hard right. I used to watch his channel from time to time, but tuned out on account of that.

[hamsterjill]

24. Anderson Cooper showed a video of Rogan.

Rogan indicated that he’s also taking “the antibodies”, zpack and a steroid. So, I’m guessing he will pull through.

Hypocrite that he is. He’s not just taking the dewormer, but if he recovers, I bet that’s he will sell it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

55. Covid is viral, azithromycin is an antibiotic, his doctor is evidently a moron (n/t)

[hamsterjill]

56. Its the monoclonal antibodies that will help him.

But Joe, once recovered, will say nothing about those and everything about the Ivermectin.

[Zeitghost]

57. Medications

Can have different uses outside their common or primary use. Azithromycin has anti-viral properties.


"It has been shown that AZM has significant antiviral properties. In contrast with CQ or HCQ, its antiviral activity has been shown in vitro and/or in vivo on a large panel of viruses: Ebola, Zika, respiratory syncytial virus, influenzae H1N1 virus, enterovirus, and rhinovirus [4–13]. Its activity against respiratory syncytial virus has been demonstrated in a randomized study in infants [10]. Azithromycin exhibited a synergistic antiviral effect against SARS-CoV-2 when combined with HCQ both in vitro [11] and in a clinical setting [13]. Of note, the pre-print version of the article from Andreani et al. [14] also reported a significant antiviral effect of AZM alone on SARS-CoV-2. The mechanisms of the antiviral effect of AZM support a large-spectrum antiviral activity. Azithromycin appears to decrease the virus entry into cells [2, 8]. In addition, it can enhance the immune response against viruses by several actions. Azithromycin up-regulates the production of type I and III interferons (especially interferon-? and interferon-? , and genes involved in virus recognition such as MDA5 and RIG-I [7, 12, 13, 15, 16]. These mechanisms are universally involved in the innate response against infectious agents, and potentially against SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7290142/


***Disclaimer for those who continue to report me***
I am not advocating for the use of Azithromycin as a widespread cure for COVID or suggesting it is better than a vaccine. I am simply pointing out that it is useful against some virii and *MAY* help some with COVID19.

[gldstwmn]

58. Maybe he has the clap.

In addition to Covid of course

[Crunchy Frog]

25. He almost certainly won't succumb because he's getting monoclonal antibodies.

He's close enough to the ruling class to have easy access.

[Initech]

29. Unfortunately it won't.

Some people are just so engrossed in the bullshit that it won't change their minds no matter what. That's the really infuriating part. It validates Josef Stalin's idea that if you repeat the lie long enough it eventually becomes fact. Of course he didn't take into account our 24/7 media and always connected lifestyle.

[brooklynite]

31. You mean like how Donald Trump convinced everyone to get vaccinated at his Alabama rally?

[CrackityJones75]

33. I don't readily believe he has covid.

Why would I believe a fucking thing that dude says?


Fuck him.

[SunImp]

35. The world would definitely be in a better place without his dumbass

[greenjar_01]

38. The vast vast vast majority of people who get COVID experience it as a common cold

It's hard for many of the catastrophists to conceptualize this, but it's true.

Most people - and when I say most, I mean over 90% - don't have severe or lasting symptoms from this disease.

Sorry, but that's the truth.

[kcr]

49. Here's some actual truth

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210624/23-percent-covid-patients-report-long-haul-symptoms

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-its-like-to-survive-covid-19

A majority of people with COVID-19 are expected to have relatively “mild” symptoms that resolve at home.

While the majority of COVID-19 cases are mild, even asymptomatic and mild infections can be a problem.

Before you even know you have an infection, odds are you’ve spread the virus to three other people — though, sometimes that number can be less or much higher.

If you spread it to someone 65 or older, estimates suggest there’s at least a 10 percent chance they’ll die.

While it's true, generally speaking, that most people won't get what is classified as a severe case, that doesn't mean they get what is the equivalent of a cold. It also ignores the segments of the population that are vulnerable. We ARE supposed to care about them, remember?

[gldstwmn]

59. We don't even know what the long lasting

effects are. It's Covid 19 as in 2019.

[budkin]

41. He's already recovered, it's a disaster

Validates all MAGA COVID fantasies.

[lagomorph777]

42. Is he more influential than the hordes of fascist radio hosts and pols who have croaked?

I wouldn't assign magical powers to one more plague-bearer asshole.

[Demsrule86]

46. He has much influence...even here.

[kcr]

51. He apparently has lost some of that influence since he went exclusive with Spotify

Lots of his fans watched him on YouTube, and the Spotify deal put a damper on that.

https://www.theverge.com/22632213/joe-rogan-experience-spotify-exclusive-audience-reach

[UTUSN]

68. I'm not influenced, can sift POVs w/o being brainwashed - the danger is zealots - here, too.

[UTUSN]

69. "zealots here" defined as malicious Alerts on anybody who ain't literal

The ones who claim to be Guardians

[Cosmocat]

71. He is a pseudo independent

He has a really big following of people who vote R all the time and hate libs but fancy themselves as "independents."

[Demsrule86]

45. He could have take the vaccine and lied about it.

[BannonsLiver]

47. He will survive and make things much worse

He will say “See? Not sure what the big deal is. I beat it and the horse paste helped” and that’ll be that for many of his listeners.

[Spider Jerusalem]

54. He's 54, that isn't "relatively young" (n/t)

[NurseJackie]

61. It sure seems young to me.

[Dorian Gray]

66. He's going to be fine

He was vaccinated (which came out after he said he was positive) and he also took monoclonal antibodies, which is one of the best ways to recover. He had everything thrown at him. Plus the ivermectin he took was probably actually prescribed for him and intended for human usage, not an animal dosage.

He'll recover quite well. He has millions and access to the best doctors. Meanwhile, he'll continue giving voice to vaccine doubters and his recovery will make people think this is no big deal at all. Just like Trump's.

[BlueLucy]

70. I think he's lying about the positive covid test.

So he can come out and say, see.. It works.

[Celerity]

72. he had already announced he was recovering and feels much better before you posted this

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSsA8wAR2-/