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Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:46 PM

72 year old white man here. What I think the abortion issue is all about:

control over women--- perhaps more accurately: a cowardly way for insecure men to intimidate vulnerable women.

These people are not "pro-life"; they are pro-birth. After a child is born, it is no longer any concern of theirs. After all, bearing children is a woman's primary function and, unless she is married, the pain and inconvenience are her due for being such a slut. (There is no such penalty for the father, of course.)

The religious and moral posturing and the "murder of an innocent unborn child" bullshit is just that: bullshit. Insecure in their masculine personhood, men---primarily old white men---hide behind the power of the state to conceal their personal impotence.

And, that's all I have to say about that.

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Reply 72 year old white man here. What I think the abortion issue is all about: (Original post)
Atticus Sep 2021 OP
Phoenix61 Sep 2021 #1
multigraincracker Sep 2021 #2
TomSlick Sep 2021 #20
multigraincracker Sep 2021 #31
crud Sep 2021 #29
Claire Oh Nette Sep 2021 #3
brush Sep 2021 #4
ecstatic Sep 2021 #5
raising2moredems Sep 2021 #14
Demobrat Sep 2021 #27
PortTack Sep 2021 #6
dlk Sep 2021 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #8
roamer65 Sep 2021 #9
wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #40
Jarqui Sep 2021 #10
rgbecker Sep 2021 #32
walkingman Sep 2021 #11
JCMach1 Sep 2021 #12
BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #13
alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #15
Bayard Sep 2021 #24
alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #26
RockRaven Sep 2021 #16
Bev54 Sep 2021 #17
ExTex Sep 2021 #18
Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #19
NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #21
Mopar151 Sep 2021 #22
Texaswitchy Sep 2021 #41
keithbvadu2 Sep 2021 #23
BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #25
czarjak Sep 2021 #28
silverweb Sep 2021 #30
TreasonousBastard Sep 2021 #33
milestogo Sep 2021 #34
central scrutinizer Sep 2021 #35
spanone Sep 2021 #36
mac56 Sep 2021 #37
Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #38
LakeArenal Sep 2021 #39
Klaralven Sep 2021 #42

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:54 PM

1. Yep! Bearing a child is her punishment for

being a sexual being. Says a lot about what they really think about children.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:54 PM

2. Not much in the Christian Bible

to make it fit their religious claims. Pretty much it talks about “The Breath of life”. Without a soul before that first one.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:07 AM

20. I have tried - I really have - to find a "thou shalt perform no abortions" in the bible.

I just can't.

I have found where the old testament priest were directed to conduct a test for infidelity that would result in an abortion if the woman had been unfaithful. (Numbers 5 : 11-31.) The priests were directed to concoct and administer an abortifacient.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:05 AM

31. You might want to look at the history of abortion and

infanticide in the Christian Churches, especially the RCC. For a very long time the Church didn't think that a child, up until the age of 3 or 4 were very important. Over a 100 years ago, life was pretty fragile for very young children. That played a big part of it.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:25 AM

29. this...

bible never mentions fetal heartbeat.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:55 PM

3. Control, hatred, fear, because we produce life....

Men want unfettered access to sex, but when women have sex, the need to be punished.

It's in their bible, ffs.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 10:57 PM

4. Well said, sir.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:03 PM

5. I think they are also tired of having to go to Asia

and Africa to adopt kids. They want to inject more white babies into the system.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:28 PM

14. You nailed it...

Remember Kay Bailey Hutchison - enough money to adopt two white babies when she was 58 (pretty sure her husband was older than she). Good money in "adoption" - shades of Georgia Tann. Texasistan has just legalized child trafficking.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:45 AM

27. I had my gay white male manager tell me

that abortion should be illegal because people like him want to adopt. (He and his partner eventually did). This was a person who pretended to be a big advocate for woman. But women should be forced to give birth because gay men want their babies.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:04 PM

6. Indeed it is! If the bounty hunting part of this bill stands ..OMG!!

It teaches young boys to grow up with little or no respect for women..to be hunted down like mere game...for sport and money!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:07 PM

7. Yes,"pro life" is far from the truth

Pro forced labor and delivery is more accurate. It’s a way to rationalize beating up on women when they’re vulnerable, twisted bullies, each and every one.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:13 PM

8. They are not pro-life or pro-birth or pro-child. They are pro-fetus and pro-forced-birth


They are pro-fetus: after the birth, the child is SOMEBODY ELSE'S CHILD.

They are conned by RepubliQons who don't care even about fetuses; only about power and money.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:14 PM

9. Pro-forced-white-person-birth.

There is white supremacy involved as well.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:29 PM

40. I call them "forced-birthers"

 

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:14 PM

10. I've never felt Republicans care about abortion as an issue

they feel deeply and passionately about on moral grounds.

It's a wedge issue to get the evangelicals worked up and out to vote etc.

Same with the deficit. Republicans blow all kinds of money when they're in office but start howling about deficits when the Democrats are in control.

Republicans have no true high ground principles or soul. It's all about white folks hanging on to power and rich folks hanging on to more than their fair share of the money.

Said too simplistically but you know what I'm talking about.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:48 AM

32. You are right on.

The GOP has identified 3 or 4 hot button issues that will bring them votes and power: Abortion, Guns, Immigration/racism, government regulations to name just a few. What those serving the party actually believe is irrelevant...it is simply a way to get the votes.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:17 PM

11. I think you nailed it.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:19 PM

12. Central tenet of RW American Evangelics is the Submission of Women

To male authority,

So you are correct, sir

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:27 PM

13. I think that is a very accurate take on the subject.

I feel exactly the same way, and while I'm not sure how I'd feel about being party to a potential baby of mine being aborted, I'm 200% on the side of women's rights. I THINK I'd be OK with it, but honesty compels me to say that I'm not entirely sure. But, again, not my body, not my decision; I'd accept the position of the one doing all the heavy lifting, for sure.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:44 PM

15. Quote from Sister Chittister...

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:23 AM

24. The sister is a wise woman

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Response to Bayard (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:32 AM

26. +1000

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:47 PM

16. Forced gestation/birthing also often leads to forced motherhood (some few may give up custody)

And since motherhood often has a non-consensual, detrimental impact on the mother's employment status and career advancement...

Thay means less competition for inadequate loser men in their workplaces and more dependence upon them by their own partners, who might otherwise discover little use for them over time.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 11:53 PM

17. This is religion that wants to keep women "in their place"

Sick to death of it. Religion has no place in political decisions but for whatever reason that is the road the country is on. It is dark and unbelievable to most of us who do not live in the US. Get money and religion out of your politics, period. Time for some bold moves to be made by dems. Extend the supreme court, get voting rights passed, get the abortion rights passed as a federal law. No more playing "fair" and worrying about what the repubs will do, use the tools available and get it done. That is what they were put into power to do.





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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:06 AM

19. GOP leadership doesn't care about abortion. They want to rile their base and bully and control women

They also like division and chaos.
And many in the upper echelons of the GOP like to see people suffer, like to inflict pain.
They get off on it.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:17 AM

21. You are so right about that.

It's ludicrous that they would have us believe that they shed tears over the loss of some stranger's cell cluster!

I'm am thankful that there are so many men who are NOT interested in controlling women and their bodies. It's good to remember that those who are trying to get rid of Roe vs Wade are in the minority.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:22 AM

22. Follow the money!

Adoptable babies are a profit center for many churches. They need a steady supply of women with unwanted pregnancies.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:16 PM

41. Yep

Homes for unwed mothers made a lot a lot of money selling babies.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:22 AM

23. Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 12:30 AM

25. That's pretty much what I thought.

Thanks for confirming that for me.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:12 AM

28. Black guys lives mattering to their daughters and granddaughters drives them to the crazy...

Believe me.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:27 AM

30. You're absolutely right.

It's ALL about controlling women, attempting to keep us confined to the roles men will allow us to have. It's about their desire to control society in general and women in particular. It is not and never was about abortion - and they've said so aloud.


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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:53 AM

33. Well said.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:55 AM

34. Anyone who is truly pro-life is not in love with guns.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:30 AM

35. It's about being cruel to poor women

Wealthy women have always had and will continue to have access to safe abortions. You can bet if a mistress of one of those Texas repugnants got pregnant, she’d be on the next plane to a state or country where the “problem” can be taken care of.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

36. K&R

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:44 AM

37. They love the babies UNTIL they're born.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 11:22 AM

38. It has ALWAYS been about controlling women...

and, of course controlling people's sex lives.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 07:12 PM

39. My thought is more simple:

If Dems were anti-choice Republicans would be Pro-choice.

After that they have used religion and nutjobs to gain a base.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 10:37 PM

42. Men, Women Generally Hold Similar Abortion Attitudes

 

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Many U.S. political leaders may think of abortion as a key "women's issue," but it is not an issue about which women have substantially different attitudes than men. A Gallup analysis shows that differences in views on the legality of abortion between men and women have been relatively narrow for decades, going back to the 1970s. Additionally, there are only slight differences in men's and women's descriptions of themselves as pro-choice or pro-life.


https://news.gallup.com/poll/235646/men-women-generally-hold-similar-abortion-attitudes.aspx

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