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"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for.
They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone.
They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
--Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I wish I could rec this a thousand times.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)The pastor is speaking the truth, unfortunately. These people live among us and he has explained their MO about as closely as one can.
Republicans deserve every bit of criticism they are getting from the general public. Their antics have been used for longer than one can believe and they are just about as effective. Once an election is over, you never hear a whisper from them about abortion. Abortions and guns are their "go to" for a win. Time to rub their faces in their motives.
JohnSJ
(92,372 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)The Magistrate
(95,252 posts)I don't think I ever seen it so well expressed.
Arkansas Granny
(31,525 posts)MiHale
(9,773 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,656 posts)Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/20481488.Methodist_Pastor_David_Barnhart
FakeNoose
(32,725 posts)I don't know what David Barnhart's story is. He doesn't appear to be political. But wouldn't it be nice if he - or someone like him - ran for Governor of Texas?
CurtEastPoint
(18,656 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,656 posts)demmiblue
(36,875 posts)LeftInTX
(25,519 posts)I was gonna cut and paste his WaPo comments, but saw this...
Thanks!
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)around who don't mind stirring the pot and agitating against fascism, racism, homophobia, etc. It's great to see one calling out the fraud of the "pro-life" hypocrites.
BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)are Methodists exactly like this pastor.
My mother was raised as a Methodist. She married my father, a Catholic, and raised all five of us children as Catholic.
The Catholic nuns who would come from Minnesota for two weeks each summer to teach us about Catholicism - we were considered to be in "mission" territory because there were no private Catholic schools within a 100-mile radius - would tell us all that our mother was going to Hell because she wasn't a Catholic.
Of course, my numerous non-Catholic cousins - some also Lutheran because their mothers had married Scandinavians - would tell us that WE were the ones going to Hell.
My first husband was Muslim. We divorced amicably enough after 13 years together. My second husband was raised as a Baptist (along the lines of Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers) and we have been together for 40 years.
Because ALL of us are/were good people and, aside from religious differences, essentially believed in treating all others as we ourselves would like to be treated, I could NEVER believe that ANY of us were going to Hell.
My siblings and I have not been practicing Catholics since we were in our 20s. There are many good things from that religion that we retain, but we are essentially agnostic.
Evangelical "Christianity" as it is practiced in too much of the US is no different from radical religious ideologies anywhere else on the planet and should be regarded as no less than terrorism.
wnylib
(21,580 posts)the United Methodist church body rejects abortion on demand and approves it only in select situations regarding the health and life of the pregnant woman, or in cases where the fetus is so seriously deformed that it puts the viability of the fetus in question if carried full term.
But his statement does hit on the total hypocrisy of the anti abortion fanatics. The rejection of programs to improve and uplift the lives of the poor, disadvantaged, people needing health care, single mothers, working women, etc. actually increases the numbers of women who seek abortions.
Moebym
(989 posts)Is Secretary Hillary Clinton.
ShazzieB
(16,491 posts)Edited to add: Oops, I see Moebym beat me to it!
Good job, Moebym.
niyad
(113,527 posts)dlk
(11,575 posts)n/t
PatSeg
(47,570 posts)Loving the "unborn" while hating actual people.
Lonestarblue
(10,053 posts)PatSeg
(47,570 posts)I never hear the impregnator mentioned in any of this. Just innocent bystanders I guess.
mopinko
(70,198 posts)but their fellow humans are too complicated for their religion addled brains.
and please edit your post to pick up the last line. posted in one of the replies above.
jaxexpat
(6,844 posts)No bible thumping, hell and brimstone with these guys. They simply eviscerate sin by citing truths about it.
Absolute RADICALS!
sarchasm
(1,012 posts)demmiblue
(36,875 posts)ananda
(28,874 posts)and copied it to my FB page.
Escurumbele
(3,401 posts)And THAT...is the perfect description of the hypocrisy of the republicans who constantly advocate against abortion. You see, abortion is just a very convenient topic to lure the so called religious people who hardly understand the real object of the republican party constant push against abortion. republicans know very well that those who cheer for wars, who now rally against vaccines that actually save lives, who also push for people to ingest horse medicine and Clorox, who praise an immoral and very corrupt man, those who never bother to find the truth on anything, they just follow, they will believe the fantasy that "republicans value life", they don't seem to realize that the majority of wars which are done in far away places with the excuse of "defending the country" when there really is no threat from people thousands of miles away, republicans sending kids to war for profit, who receive money from the NRA and refuse to pass laws to control guns that kill a lot of people like in the massacres in Orlando, in High Schools around the country, etc., republicans who want you to think the people who committed the insurrection against the Capitol and Democracy were just "tourists" and are now "political victims", those same republicans who have actually had abortions done for their families and mistresses, those are the ones who want you to think they really believe that life is precious. Nope...they could not care less for other people's lives, that is why they tell you lies about the vaccines, why they continue to call COVID-19 a hoax, why they fight against masks at schools when they know it will kill kids and adults, that is why trump denied to do anything to prevent the deaths from COVID and kept telling lies about it (there is a tape from an interview of trump by Bob Woodward where you can hear trump say that he knows how terrible COVID is, but that he wants to keep it quiet), so stop believing republicans with their anti-abortion chants, its just a show done just for you, the religious believer. I mean, if you believe that all you need is faith without proof, they know you will believe anything.
I sent the above to friends who still believe in republicans. Some of them are beginning to doubt, I will hopefully open the eyes of a couple of them.
calimary
(81,440 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)calimary
(81,440 posts)Just Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayum!!!
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)Absolutely perfect and SPOT-ON
marmar
(77,088 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)PatrickforB
(14,586 posts)posting this.
3catwoman3
(24,032 posts)...than a bumper sticker or window decal.
jovibennett
(120 posts)they love the fetus- hate the child
moondust
(20,002 posts)Everybody look at how holy and righteous we are (while we screw you to death)!!!!
K/R
hlthe2b
(102,343 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)So it must be the biggest sin of all, right?
pandr32
(11,605 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(3,828 posts)So apropos of the death-worshipping cult we call the republican party.
orangecrush
(19,611 posts)And rec.
Hekate
(90,777 posts)Thank you, Pastor Barnhart
cayugafalls
(5,643 posts)Being an Atheist now, this makes me think there is some good out there in the religious world.
The good Pastor nailed it.
Moebym
(989 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)Maine Abu El Banat
(3,479 posts)Skittles
(153,182 posts)yes indeed
Blue Owl
(50,489 posts)Well said indeed
ZZenith
(4,126 posts)Right on the nose, good pastor.