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FM123

(10,372 posts)
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:50 AM Sep 2021

Like Washington and Jefferson, he championed liberty. Unlike the founders, he freed his slaves

(CNN) It was 230 years ago Sunday that Robert Carter III, the patriarch of one of the wealthiest families in Virginia, quietly walked into a Northumberland County courthouse and delivered an airtight legal document announcing his intention to free, or manumit, more than 500 slaves.

He titled it the "deed of gift." It was, by far, experts say, the largest liberation of Black people before the Emancipation Proclamation more than seven decades later.

On September 5, 1791, when Carter delivered his deed, slavery was an institution, a key engine of the new country's economy. But many slaveholders -- including founding fathers George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who knew Carter -- had begun to voice doubts. That was the extent of their umbrage.

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"I think the story of Robert Carter III is incredibly important," she said, "and not just to glorify another rich, White man, but to show how personal convictions can be stronger than the status quo, that doing the right thing is often hard but important and that people matter -- that people are more important than the work that they perform."

(Read more) https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/05/us/robert-carter-iii-deed-of-gift-slavery-anniversary/index.html

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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Have never been able to reconcile Jefferson speaking of freedom and liberty, going home to rape and
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

beat his slaves.

Interesting story of Robert Carter.

SunnyATT

(56 posts)
6. Most likely because the slaves were not regarded as human but were thought of and treated as animals
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:56 AM
Sep 2021

Unfortunately that mindset still exists in the minds of many Americans.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
8. IMHO, Jefferson believed himself a sort of "philosopher-king"
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 04:07 PM
Sep 2021

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above the messiness of ordinary life. He seems to have viewed himself as an intellectual whose money and education put him above the common people, literally in the case of Montecello.

Historian Annette Gordon-Reed wrote two good books on the subject, "The Hemingses of Montecello", about the interactions among the Hemings, Jefferson, and Wayles families (complicated doesn't begin to describe them) and "Most Blessed of Patriarchs" which focuses on Jefferson and his intellectual life and how he set up his idea of a life where everyone around him - Black and White - lived to serve his ideals. Reality got in the way, though, and his expenses far outstripped his income and he died pretty much broke.

OTOH, I give Washington credit for eventually realizing that slavery as practiced in the US at the time was bad both economically and for the people involved and trying to arrange for the eventual freedom of the people enslaved on his lands. Then Eli Whitney came along around the time of Washington's death and made cotton production more economically feasible and that led to an increased demand for slave labor.

Scrivener7

(59,499 posts)
9. I am not a fan of Jefferson. He and my man Hamilton hated each other.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:42 PM
Sep 2021

I have a crush on Hamilton.

Celerity

(54,378 posts)
13. no, no they do not
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:41 PM
Sep 2021
Right-wingers usually pick Hamilton.



Hamilton was the originator of a set of constructs that became the 'American System' (especially under the Whigs of Daniel Webster and Henry Clay) ie. strong Federal government and a central bank, high tariffs to bolster American industrialisation, which was in direct conflict with agrarianism, plus he was the enemy of strong state's rights, a major RW philosophical centrepiece.

struggle4progress

(126,125 posts)
15. Jefferson's abstract principles conflicted with his real material interests: his political status
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:57 PM
Sep 2021

in Virginia depended on his wealth and his acceptability to other slave-holders

Under such circumstances, many people choose "realism" over "conscience"

The net effect of such choices over an entire society explains why change is so slow

crickets

(26,168 posts)
11. Neither had I.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:58 PM
Sep 2021

The entire story is a revelation, especially in that Carter is relatively unknown today. What an amazing man. His name deserves to be prominent in our history books.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
3. his grandfather was Robert "King" Carter, right?
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:15 AM
Sep 2021

... one of the wealthiest slave holders ever.

moondust

(21,285 posts)
17. Animals.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:24 PM
Sep 2021

They come in from the field at the end of a long day and their "owner" wants to know how the cotton crop is coming along. Discussion ensues after which the owner returns to the plantation house to count his "hard-earned" money over a bottle of bourbon and read a few Bible verses.

Did it never occur to Washington, Jefferson, and the others that animals can't talk?

No scruples? Greed über alles? Sounds familiar.

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