AOC fires back at Manchin after he refers to her as 'young lady'

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) on Sunday fired back at Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) after the centrist senator referred to her as "young lady" while responding to criticism from the congresswoman.

"In Washington, I usually know my questions of power are getting somewhere when the powerful stop referring to me as 'Congresswoman' and start referring to me as 'young lady' instead," she tweeted.

"Imagine if every time someone referred to someone as 'young lady' they were ask responded to by being addressed with their age and gender?" she continued. "They'd be pretty upset if one responded with 'the old man,' right? Why this kind of weird, patronizing behavior is so accepted is beyond me!"

Link to tweet

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ocasio-cortez-fires-back-at-manchin-after-he-refers-to-her-as-young-lady/ar-AAOolAt

[Deuxcents]

1. ✊

Great comeback, Congresswoman

[malaise]

2. Love you AOC

Keep it real - call out the stupid patronizing old men

[hlthe2b]

4. His patronizing and condescending attitude is readily reconizable by most women.

I applaud her response.

[Diamond_Dog]

5. I love it

Being referred to as “Young Lady” to someone in her position is a put-down. I am glad she called it out. Shame on you, Joe M.

[irisblue]

6. She is not wrong.

[azureblue]

50. and if she called him

an old cranky white man, oh you know he would be mightily offended.

[Klaralven]

7. Aren't male representatives addressed as "gentleman"

as in "would the Gentleman from Pennsylvania yield?"

[Sanity Claws]

14. so? He did not refer her to as the gentlewoman from New York

He said Young lady. This is the type of crap that a high school principal uses to address a female high school student.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. THIS

[wnylib]

80. Also used by angry parents toward

a teenage daughter when they are displeased with her.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

100. I recently addressed someone as "young lady"

I'd guess that her age was about six. She and her mother were standing behind me in a line at the grocery store checkout, and she said that she hated to be waiting in line. I turned to her and said, "Young lady, you will be amazed at how much of your life will be spent waiting in line." Her mother just laughed, and said, "That's true."

"Young lady" is an appropriate term of address for a six-year-old, not for a Congresswoman.

[niyad]

15. And it is "Gentlewoman" for the women members. You know this, and you know

that joe was being a sexist prick. Why pretend otherwise?

[KG]

17. word.

[Fla Dem]

42. By referring to her as "Young Lady" he was subtlety expressing his perceived dominance over her.

[malaise]

55. THIS

She is his equal

[A HERETIC I AM]

64. "She is his equal" No she isn't.

She is intellectually MILES ahead of him.

Manchin isn't fit to challenge Ms. Ocasio-Cortez on ANY level.

HE went to college on a scholarship based on athletic ability and graduated with a Bachelors in Business Administration, a degree suiting him to be the Coal Broker he became.

SHE went to college based on intellectual ability and graduated cum laude from Boston University with a Bachelor of Arts degree in both international relations and economics, those two subjects perfectly suiting her for public office.

She's not his equal. He's a fucking piker compared to AOC.

[malaise]

65. Ha -you are correct

[malaise]

66. Ha -you are correct

[NH Ethylene]

67. Not so subtle to the recipient, more like a sledge hammer.

Aimed at putting a woman 'in her place.'

Other men might not notice it as readily though.

[meadowlander]

74. Nothing subtle about it.

Every woman who has ever set foot in a workplace knows exactly what Manchin is doing here.

[Ford_Prefect]

20. In some cultures such a title must be earned by actions worthy of the distinction. A shame indeed

that the party claiming to be so formally invested in respect for traditions has nothing but contempt for the qualities they represent.

[Caliman73]

113. Yes they are.

In return, women in Congress are referred to as Gentlewoman or Congresswoman. Never, would they be referred to as "Young Lady".

I am not sure what the disconnect is here. The only time the term "Young lady" is acceptable in usage is when it is being used as a descriptor. For example, "My 11 year old daughter is turning into quite the accomplished young lady".

You do not address a woman as "Young Lady" unless you are trying to exert some kind of authority, or admonish them. This is especially true if you are equals within a category. While Senators have more individual power, the House and Senate are co-equal chambers of the Legislative branch of government. It would behoove AOC to refer to Manchin as Senator Manchin and for Manchin to refer to AOC as Representative Ocasio-Cortez.

[Walleye]

8. Manchin's moment in the spotlight is revealing a lot about him

Since most women have experienced sexism at one time in another in their lives, we certainly recognize it when we see it. I think somehow this pro-fossil fuel attitude is tied up with the toxic masculinity.

[KentuckyWoman]

22. None of it good. Surprised he hasn't already switched parties.

[Walleye]

26. No he's enjoying his power too much. And he would be pretty liberal for a Republican believe it or n

[yardwork]

39. Exactly. He has all the power now.

[AKwannabe]

88. PAST!

His moment

Millisecond


Is. Past.

[Rebl2]

9. Wish

she would refer him old man!

[Richard D]

41. Old Man Chin . . . (nt)

[littlemissmartypants]

43. It would probably go over his head.

Plus trading insults, no matter how obscure, is just playing along and not rising above like what AOC has done. She's taking the most mature and revelatory option.

[Solly Mack]

10. Good for her.

She has a title. Use it.

[marieo1]

11. Chauvinistic Males

Because men have been getting by with this kind of patronizing lingo for a long time......don't know if the 'older dudes' will or can or want to change!! Some of them are pretty chauvinistic and just plain rude and stupid!!!

[Walleye]

28. ☝️

[NH Ethylene]

68. They should still be called out on it every time.

They don't deserve a seat in the House if they can't observe basic 21st-century civility.

[ashredux]

12. Many call here all sorts of things...but one thing for sure ...

She don’t take no shit from nobody….period.

[marieo1]

13. Chauvinistic Males

Because men have been getting by with this kind of patronizing lingo for a long time......don't know if the 'older dudes' will or can or want to change!! Some of them are pretty chauvinistic and just plain rude and stupid!!!

[Native]

16. I also find it patronizing when someone calls an older woman "young lady."

I mean, what's up with that?

[SharonClark]

27. Some 30-something male called me that last week. I'm 68.

I told him, in a grandmotherly way, it was insulting and belittling to call a full grown woman a "young lady".
Hopefully, he learned something that day.

[niyad]

38. Years ago, I was dining with a friend at a very nice, semi-upscale restaurant. My friend

was early 30's, I was early 20's. Our server (probably mid 20's) came over, and said, "and what can I get you girls started with?" I replied, "To start with, you can stop disrespecting your elders. Do you say "boys" when you are talking to older men?" He sputtered for a few seconds, then tried to say it was only because we both looked so young, which did not get the intended reaction.

To be fair, after that we got excellent, attentive service, and free dessert. He was tipped well.

[Delmette2.0]

36. I was just thinking about that.

Depending on my mood I just might say " I am an old woman and and I have earned respect not flattery. You may address me as madam.

[wnylib]

81. I get that kind of patronizing treatment

from clerks and cashiers in stores. Really irritates me when they refer to me as sweetie or honey. I am in my 70s now and it has been going on for over 10 years. It's ageism more than chauvinism since I get it more often from female employees than males. Sometimes I respond by calling them babycakes or sweet cheeks.

On one occasion I asked an employee if she realized how patronizing and insulting it was to be spoken to that way. She just snickered and repeated it so I left my items on the counter and walked out. In retrospect, I should have asked for her supervisor.

When I got the patronizing tones and words in a work setting, it was always from men.

[misanthrope]

82. Cultural chasms

In the South, it's common to run into terms of endearment like that. Most of us smile about it because we realize the intent isn't malicious, sarcastic or patronizing but simply a way of being friendly with someone.

[wnylib]

86. I might see it that way if I were in the South.

I'm in NY. The tone used with the words is patronizing, not endearing. It is the tone you would use when talking to a three year old.

[MetalMama]

70. A former doctor once called me "young lady".

Not that long ago a youngish doctor, probably in his late 40s, called me young lady. I'm in my 60s. I was not amused. This man also thought it was cute to call me "sweet pea". Ewww. His choice of words wasn't the only problem I encountered on my visits. So, fortunately, I've found another, more respectful, doctor.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. If for only this alone...

Fuck Manchin. I HATE/LOATHE condescension.

[Bettie]

21. Glad she fired back

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time an older man called me "young lady"...and it was always in a condescending way.

Now, when my grandma said "YOUNG LADY COME HERE!" I knew I was in trouble, but that stopped when I hit about ten or so, then she moved to middle naming me.

[KentuckyWoman]

23. It was worse in my younger days.

Honey and sweetheart were standard. A lot of the reason I started my own accounting business instead of working for a company.

[Walleye]

29. The story was well told in the movie Tootsie

[lunatica]

60. LOL!

That middle naming is a dead giveaway isn’t it! And it works! You know you’re in deep shit!

[Bettie]

63. I have done it to my children

they used to fear me when I used a middle name!

Now, they are 20, 19, and 13, so not as much fear.

[ShazzieB]

72. My daughter never feared me no matter what I called her!

She knew perfectly well I was all bark and no bite!

I nailed some aspects of mothering. The part I sucked at royally was being an authority figure.

[Bettie]

73. You know, with three boys

we only had to do true discipline (privileges removal) four times total.

A discussion about what happened, with them explaining to us why that wasn't OK did more than a punishment, and then, we left it at "don't let it happen again". Four times in 20 years, it "happened again", so it seems to work.

But, the middle name along with what they called "Mama's demon voice" worked to stop them in their tracks, even though they were never spanked or physically punished. I think it was the demon voice and the fact that they had to be pretty obnoxious before I really used it!

Now, their biggest fear (according to my oldest) is us being disappointed in their behavior, so I guess it went well.

[dflprincess]

77. I knew I was in trouble when my mother used my middle name

and if she used first, middle, and last I knew I should call a lawyer!

Isn't that why we're given middle names? So we know when our mom is mad at us?

[Bettie]

94. I think it is

I mean what other reason could there be?

[lunatica]

109. I bet they still know they're in trouble though!

[Sympthsical]

24. Calling a 31 year old woman young lady is a choice . . .

And a congresswoman to boot. It is kind of strange.

It's like watching people think Millennials are basically early twenty-somethings. It's like, c'mon man. Millennials are turning 40 now.

[Thunderbeast]

25. I am astonished that most news stories identify subjects by age.

It seems that any time a non-familiar person is referenced in an article (or less often a broadcast story), age is the first descriptor.

Examples:

Mary Doe, 30, was verbally abused in the halls of Congress today.

John Doe, 64, was accused of verbally abusing a Congressman today.

Why is age seen as the most important shorthand to describe someone?

[Niagara]

30. It's 2021 Joe Manchin.

Time to stop being a misogynist.

[Polybius]

31. I agree with her, except for the last part

Calling someone old man if far worse and hurtful.

[niyad]

33. Since many people refer to their male parent as " the old man", do you see that

as hurtful? And what kind of economic or social discrimination is reflected in it?

[Polybius]

85. He's not her parent

He's of no relation to her.

[qazplm135]

35. no it isn't

it's literally the same thing. It's ageism either way, which was her point.

[Polybius]

84. Sure it is

Referring to someone as young is a compliment; Being young is good. Calling someone old is horrible. Remember, you can get old, but you can never get young.

[qazplm135]

108. that's a ridiculous comment

calling a sitting congresswoman "young lady" is NOT a compliment.

You must not have many women in your life you respect much.

[Polybius]

110. I'm not old enough to say young lady, nor will I likely ever say it

It may not be a compliment to some, but it's a million times better than old man. While it may be a bit condescending, at least the young part isn't bad. Calling some old is incredibly rude and depressing.

Ageism against the old is also worst than ageism against the youth. While bad, you can get past the ageism by getting older. Can't get past ageism against the old, unless you've found the fountain of youth.

[qazplm135]

111. Nonsense reply

Truly nonsense.

[Polybius]

121. Yet you replied to it

Everything that I said was factually correct. I want to make it clear that I never thought "young lady" was a nice thing to say, just not nearly as hurtful as "old man."

[qazplm135]

122. riiight

"Referring to someone as young is a compliment; Being young is good"

[Polybius]

124. Young is is good, most of us wish we were younger

"Young lady" was condescending. I didn't mean to imply that it's acceptable.

[Tommymac]

32. Fossil Fuel Manchin.

He's an old fossil no matter how one looks at it.

[Magoo48]

46. The old man is a putz and a plant blowing carbon smoke out his ass,

a clogged artery in our progressive heart, another old, white, American man who doesn’t give a shit about our next generations.

[Tommymac]

53. He cares about his own ethically challenged daughter.

That is all.

[Susan Calvin]

34. I actually do respond like that.

When someone calls me honey or dear, I respond back with darling or sweetheart, or whatever seems appropriate at the time.

[tavernier]

54. Hahahaha

I call everyone sweetie. Mostly because at my age I can barely remember anybody’s name anymore.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. My Wife Does That

"Sweetie" is her go to, but "honey" pops in now & then.
Just about everyone.

[tavernier]

62. Wait... are we married?

Oh sweetie, sorry, I forgot. I’m a widow. But it all sounds very familiar, lol.

[niyad]

95. Mine is darlin'..

[jcgoldie]

37. Give em hell congresswoman!

👊

[Pinback]

40. Daddy Smogbucks says what??

I guess I need the tag to show that I would never dream of disrespecting our dear “centrist” Senator Manchin.

[jalan48]

44. I love her. She takes no shit from anyone.

[BlueSky3]

45. A doctor once addressed me as "young lady"

and I told him, “I’m not young and neither are you. Just call me by my name.” And then I changed doctors. When a guy in the produce section at the grocery store said, “How are you today, sweetheart?” I said, “Just fine sweety pie, how are you?” He hasn’t done it again.

It’s like this never ends. We just have to deal with these people one at a time.

[BradAllison]

47. I have an equally dismissive term for Manchin

But one more alert and I'm done.

[mrsadm]

48. I have been called "young lady" thousands of time in my life

Now that I'm 67 it's changed to sweetie.

[Trueblue1968]

49. MANCHIN is horrible and he MUST appolige to the Congresswoman

[crickets]

52. Good for you, Congresswoman!

I'm impressed that she firmly called him out, leaving no doubt as to why his remark was inappropriate.

[whistler162]

56. Calls for a little Kathyrn Hepburn

Senator Manchin, you old poop!

[twodogsbarking]

98. Now you've done it.

I will be talking like Katharine Hepburn all day.

[StarfishSaver]

57. Good for her

[Blue Owl]

59. K&R

[LanternWaste]

61. 'Old men' ignore her at their own risk.

Day by day, she gains experience.
Day by day, these 'old men' are getting closer to their expiration date.

[spanone]

69. Condescending Ass.

[mdelaguna]

92. Exactly

[cardonay]

115. Here he is using "young man"

Link to tweet

[spanone]

117. nice try.

[canetoad]

119. What's the difference between

A young woman and a young lady?

A. A young lady wouldn't serve you your own macerated goolies on twitter then return to her work of legislating in Washington DC.

You know cardonay, you're only making it worse for yourself.

[cardonay]

123. According to your own personal dictionary?

Luckily for you, you can't possibly make that one worse.

[NurseJackie]

71. 🙄

Lord. I could do a better job at picking battles and feuds if I were in a job that requires thick skin and duck's back-feathers.

[tonedevil]

89. Yet you have not. /nt

[NurseJackie]

93. Oh, look! What a surprise. 🙄

tonedevil
89. Yet you have not. /nt

[niyad]

101. Sexism needs to be called out every single time. Period.

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[NurseJackie]

102. The words "young lady" hardly rise to that level, IMHO.

Sexism needs 5o be called out every single time. Period.

The words "young lady" hardly rise to that level, IMHO. I might roll my eyes, but I just don't consider it to be worth picking a fight over it.

[niyad]

104. And that refusal to see sexism where it exists is part of the reason we still have

to deal with this bs everywhere. Tolerance and acceptance of "It's just not that important" allows and encourages worse.

[NurseJackie]

105. No it doesn't.

I know how to pick my battles. My general philosophy is that I've never believed that every slight, real or imagined, is worth going to war over. We have bigger problems and this is a distraction from the work that needs to be done. He sneered, she growled. Time to move on. Good lord.

[The Magistrate]

114. 'He sneered, she growled'

Best comment I've seen yet on the matter, Ma'am.

I would add, she didn't have the sneer coming, he more than deserves the growl.

What makes it a sneer is the deliberate disregard of her elected position as a Representative in the House. That's not like calling a high school valedictorian a young lady, or a young man.

[cardonay]

112. Here's Manchin calling a young man "young man"

I guess that makes him a man-hater who is patronizing against men, or something.
You made a good point, NurseJackie.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[qazplm135]

125. Is he a member of Congress?

Didn't think so.

[NurseJackie]

107. DIYD, DIYD.

[BGBD]

75. Lol, Joe says thanks.

Every time he cam get AOC to tweet something about him his poll numbers I'm WV go up a point.

AOC is as easy to bait as Trump is.

[niyad]

96. Wow. You have no problem with his blatant sexism? And you equate her with the f'n

Murdering orange traitor**? And before coffee, too. Just. . .wow.

[NurseJackie]

103. Interesting observations.

[48656c6c6f20]

76. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people who come to

The rescue of Joe the wonderful Democrat.

[Celerity]

79. +1

[niyad]

97. Post 75.

[dflprincess]

78. Reading through the Twitter thread

I found it telling & depressing how many men commenting on it just don't get it. And I was surprised by the women who did't either - especially the younger ones. Fortunately, they were in the minority of the clueless.

[mdelaguna]

91. The replies are toxic nt

[Arazi]

116. Women too. Here also

[flying_wahini]

83. This reminds me of All the sexist remarks from Dr.s I worked with in the 70-80's.

And if you wanna go back to relive it just watch Mrs. America with Cate Blanchett. (Hulu)
A real blast from the past. If you haven’t seen it please treat yourself and watch it.

[AKwannabe]

87. Next time you see him... in the halls

PUNCH HIM!

Matters not

Balls?
Face?

😂

[Celerity]

90. she is far too intelligent and classy to ever do something like that

This was far worse, plus she was right there when it happened, and she showed more restraint than I would have:

Link to tweet

[twodogsbarking]

99. He won't get it.

[budkin]

118. Manchin sucks

Total POS

[gldstwmn]

120. Spot on.