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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 04:51 PM Sep 2021

Trump Tower put on debt 'watch list' after occupancy plunged this year: report

This will be fun to watch. A good number of key tenants have moved out and no one wants to be associated with TFG. The lenders are evidently monitoring compliance with loan covenants




Former President Donald Trump's most prized piece of Manhattan real estate has been put on a debt "watch list" after seeing its occupancy plunge this year.

Bloomberg News reports that Wells Fargo, which is the master servicer of a $100 million loan on the property, put out documents on Friday showing that Trump Tower's occupancy has dipped below 80 percent this year, down from the 86 percent occupancy recorded at the end of 2020.

The biggest blow to Trump Tower's vacancy came earlier this year when Marc Fisher Footwear, the former designer and manufacturer of Ivanka Trump's shoe line, vacated its massive showroom that occupied the entire 21st floor of the building.

The Trump Organization would subsequently sue Marc Fisher for more than $1 million in what it claimed was unpaid rent, although that case has apparently been dropped, Bloomberg writes.

Bloomberg notes that the former president could be facing a series of financial headaches over the next few years thanks not only to the $100 million Trump Tower loan coming due, but other loans as well.
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Trump Tower put on debt 'watch list' after occupancy plunged this year: report (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 OP
It seems only right that Wells Fargo is likely to get stiffed. spooky3 Sep 2021 #1
Yeah my thought too. captain queeg Sep 2021 #2
Glad it is Wells Fargo as it increases something going wrong. LiberalFighter Sep 2021 #24
I hope to wake up one morning and see a slightly different wording of that headline malaise Sep 2021 #3
If this loan goes bad, a number of other loans will be called LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #5
You're one badass, malaise PJMcK Sep 2021 #8
LOL malaise Sep 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #20
Folks let's turn to the judges and see how they vote on the dive LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #4
The flabby bastard has the "Feces Touch". 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #6
Like Rick Wilson said... AngryOldDem Sep 2021 #10
Reverse Midas PJMcK Sep 2021 #11
I've often. heard that it started with Reagan. 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #13
Goldwater just showed what was bubbling below the layer of slime. Ronnie Raygun brought it out in LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #16
The nomination of Lady BlahBlah for VP was a sure sign of where malaise Sep 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #18
The Republican Tower of BabbleOn is falling Champp Sep 2021 #7
I wish they would call in all his debts. AngryOldDem Sep 2021 #9
If one loan goes south, Trump will face personal bankruptcy PJMcK Sep 2021 #12
If anyone sends money to the Trump campaign, Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #15
I'm pretty sure campaign finance laws only apply to Democrats, esp. if they're POC Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #21
Yeah, so it would seem PatSeg Sep 2021 #30
I can't compute the amount of money that guy owes... stillcool Sep 2021 #22
Could he be manipulating his assets because of marriage problems? kentuck Sep 2021 #23
It couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy. Beacool Sep 2021 #25
tfg always manages to slip away from.his debts Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #26
It does seem that way, PatSeg Sep 2021 #31
I'm no expert on architecture, but... Tommy Carcetti Sep 2021 #27
That Trump monstrosity in Chicago PatSeg Sep 2021 #32
Time catches up with Donnie Deadbeat. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #28
That is fascinating PatSeg Sep 2021 #33
Not so much cachet from "Offices at Trump Tower" any more, I guess... Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #29
Trump NYC Tower Debt Hits Watch List With Vacancies Rising LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #34

malaise

(268,942 posts)
3. I hope to wake up one morning and see a slightly different wording of that headline
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 04:59 PM
Sep 2021

The Slobfather was put on the death watch list after plunging from Trump Tower

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
5. If this loan goes bad, a number of other loans will be called
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:06 PM
Sep 2021

This could be a start of a fun bankruptcy that I doubt that TFG will be able to dig himself out of

malaise

(268,942 posts)
19. LOL
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:37 PM
Sep 2021

I've been hoping he'd jump from that Tower for a very long time.
Sadly he's a real coward.

Response to PJMcK (Reply #8)

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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
6. The flabby bastard has the "Feces Touch".
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
Sep 2021

Everything he touches turns to shit. (Example A: The Republican Party)

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. Reverse Midas
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:20 PM
Sep 2021

However, the Republican Party started their toilet bowl swirl years ago. Trump was just the latest— and worst, so far— in a long line of evil jackasses.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
13. I've often. heard that it started with Reagan.
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:26 PM
Sep 2021

Sure, Reagan was a grinning, soulless shitweasel who earned his place in Hell by gleefully ignoring the AIDS crisis; but for my money Goldwater was the original harbinger of things to come for the Repugs.

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
16. Goldwater just showed what was bubbling below the layer of slime. Ronnie Raygun brought it out in
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:31 PM
Sep 2021

full force and made it normal to rape and pillage. To sell arms to people who had held Americans hostages (the R's probably financed the Iranian revolution. Only way I could see the whole Iran/Contra play play out).

malaise

(268,942 posts)
17. The nomination of Lady BlahBlah for VP was a sure sign of where
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:34 PM
Sep 2021

ReTHUGs were heading. True it started with Nixon but Palin blew my brains

Response to PJMcK (Reply #11)

Champp

(2,114 posts)
7. The Republican Tower of BabbleOn is falling
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:15 PM
Sep 2021

Meanwhile, all the Republicans scurry about mindlessly, spouting lies no one wants to hear.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
12. If one loan goes south, Trump will face personal bankruptcy
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:23 PM
Sep 2021

If Trump defaults on one loan, the other l lenders will tighten their grips. Trump will be in big trouble.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
15. If anyone sends money to the Trump campaign,
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:28 PM
Sep 2021

they need to know this is what they are supporting.

I do hope some responsible people in our government are watching what he is doing with that money.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
21. I'm pretty sure campaign finance laws only apply to Democrats, esp. if they're POC
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 05:48 PM
Sep 2021

GQP pols just do whatever they want with it and nobody does shit (or they get pardoned by a shitheel POTUS of theirs).

At least, that's how it sure seems to me.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
22. I can't compute the amount of money that guy owes...
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 08:03 PM
Sep 2021

I don't know the law that these people have at their disposal. Here's some oldies but goodies in TFG saga.


Trump boosts loan on Doral golf resort
By Brian Bandell – Senior Reporter, South Florida Business Journal
Aug 13, 2015, 9:59am EDT
While campaigning for president and raising almost daily controversies, billionaire Donald J. Trump took out a second mortgage for the Trump National Doral Miami on Aug. 7.

Trump Endeavor 12 LLC received a $19 million loan from Deutsche Bank Trust Co. Trump signed the document himself.

That’s the same lender that gave the resort and golf course a $106 million loan in 2012, when Trump acquired the property.

The recent loan is a “tranche B note,” which has less priority in the case of a default than the 2012 “tranche A note” and, therefore, has a lower credit rating.

Trump purchased the 650-acre property for $150 million and spent more than $200 million on renovations to its 693 rooms and five golf courses.https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2015/08/13/trump-boosts-loan-on-doral-golf-resort.html

Trump Has a Half Billion in Loans Coming Due. They May Be His Biggest Conflict of Interest Yet.
“It’s highly disconcerting.”
RUSS CHOMAJULY/AUGUST 2020 ISSUE

Trump’s biggest creditor is Deutsche Bank, which in the late 1990s took a gamble on the real estate developer whose history of corporate bankruptcies made him untouchable by most other lenders. Although Trump and the Frankfurt-based bank pulled off several profitable deals, eventually Deutsche’s commercial lending division learned the hard way one reason why other banks considered him persona non grata: If pushed by his creditors on payments, Trump shoves back. In 2008, after he defaulted on a loan for his Chicago hotel and condo development, he filed a multibillion-­dollar suit accusing Deutsche Bank and others of contributing to the recent financial meltdown, which he blamed for his inability to repay the loan.

Nevertheless, Deutsche’s private banking division, which caters to wealthy clientele, continued to lend to Trump, giving him $125 million, spread over two loans, to finance the purchase and renovation of his Doral golf resort in 2012. Both are floating rate loans, meaning the interest rate fluctuates based on market conditions, which lending experts say usually indicates they are interest-only loans. If so, Trump probably hasn’t paid down much if any of the principal and will owe something close to the whole $125 million when the loans come due in 2023.

In 2014, Trump took out a separate floating loan from Deutsche’s private bank to bankroll the development of his luxury hotel in Washington, DC. The balance of this $170 million debt is payable in 2024. That year, Trump will also owe Deutsche between $25 million and $50 million in connection with his Chicago hotel and complex.

Trump has received additional loans from a company named Ladder Capital, a financial firm that specializes in bundling commercial debt into mortgage-backed securities. Companies like Ladder are often lenders of last resort for people and companies that, for one reason or another, have difficulty obtaining money from traditional banks (ahem, Trump). Such firms are willing to take risky bets because they securitize the debt and pass the responsibility for it on to investors. Trump has two Ladder loans due over the next several years: a $100 million interest-only mortgage on Trump Tower and a roughly $13 million loan against Trump Plaza. The Trump Tower loan is up in September 2022.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/06/donald-trump-loans-deutsche-bank/



kentuck

(111,079 posts)
23. Could he be manipulating his assets because of marriage problems?
Sat Sep 18, 2021, 10:55 PM
Sep 2021

He should have no problem hiding them.

When was the last time they were seen together?

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
31. It does seem that way,
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:27 AM
Sep 2021

but eventually this sort of thing will catch up with him. He's pushed his luck far too many times and the house of cards is going to come tumbling down.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,174 posts)
27. I'm no expert on architecture, but...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:31 AM
Sep 2021

…Trump Tower just seems to be one ugly building.

It looks frozen in time from the mid 80s, as if no one bothered to update it, and now looks ridiculously dated and faded.

It just looks like one sad, sad building, even if you put aside the owner’s name on it.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
32. That Trump monstrosity in Chicago
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:28 AM
Sep 2021

is even worse. I'm probably biased being I'm from Chicago and every time I see that crappy building it makes me ill.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
28. Time catches up with Donnie Deadbeat.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:21 AM
Sep 2021

The know-nothing of all know-nothings DOES appreciate fabric swatches.





Trump is a moron fixated by fabric swatches.

Trump, the billion-dollar loser — I was his ghostwriter and saw it happen


Charles Leerhson
Yahoo.com, May 9, 2019

EXCERPT...

I tend to see my time with him — the first part of it, anyway, before things started going bad in a hurry — as his “King Midas” period. I never said this to him; if I had, he probably would have thought I was suggesting he enter the muffler business. But there was a stretch of months when everything he touched turned into a deal. The banks seemed to accept the version of him depicted in his first book, “The Art of the Deal,” which we now know from his previous ghostwriter, Tony Schwartz, was entirely invented. They believed it over what they saw on his balance sheets or heard coming out of his mouth, and they never said no to his requests for more money. Often they came up with things he could say yes to before he could think of them himself. As a result, a failing real estate developer who had little idea of what he was doing and less interest in doing it once he’d held the all-important press conference wound up owning three New Jersey hotel-casinos, the Plaza Hotel, the Eastern Airlines Shuttle and a 281-foot yacht.

A real go-getter, right? But Trump’s portfolio did not jibe with what I saw each day — which to a surprisingly large extent was him looking at fabric swatches. Indeed, flipping through fabric swatches seemed at times to be his main occupation. Some days he would do it for hours, then take me in what he always called his “French military helicopter” to Atlantic City — where he looked at more fabric swatches or sometimes small samples of wood paneling. It was true that the carpets and drapes at his properties needed to be refreshed frequently, and the seats on the renamed Trump Shuttle required occasional reupholstering. But the main thing about fabric swatches was that they were within his comfort zone — whereas, for example, the management of hotels and airlines clearly wasn’t. One of his aides once told me that every room at the Plaza could be filled at the “rack rate” (list price) every night, and the revenue still wouldn’t cover the monthly payment of the loan he’d taken out to buy the place. In other words, he’d made a ridiculous deal. Neither he nor the banks had done the math beforehand. Or perhaps Trump knew it because someone had told him, but didn’t want to think about it. The one thing he is above-average at is compartmentalization.

Source:

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-the-billiondollar-loser-his-ghostwriter-recalls-the-king-midas-years-090000640.html



The guy seems to have more of the money laundromat business acumen.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
33. That is fascinating
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:43 AM
Sep 2021
"The one thing he is above-average at is compartmentalization." But he sure does know his fabric swatches!

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
34. Trump NYC Tower Debt Hits Watch List With Vacancies Rising
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 02:07 AM
Sep 2021



A $100 million loan on Donald Trump’s Fifth Avenue tower was moved to a watch list Monday because of “lower average occupancy,” according to information compiled by Wells Fargo & Co.

The debt, sponsored by the former president himself, is secured by the 244,482 square feet (22,700 square meters) of office and retail space in Trump Tower. Occupancy has dipped to 78.9% from 85.9% at the end of 2020, according to Wells Fargo, the master servicer of the loan. Revenue from the property was $33.7 million in 2020, according to the loan documents. In the first quarter of 2021, it was $7.5 million. ....

Marc Fisher, whose showroom occupied the 21st floor of Trump Tower, “vacated prior to lease end,” Wells Fargo said in the note, adding that the Trump Organization is trying to find a replacement. In March, Trump’s company sued the footwear maker, which used to partner with Ivanka Trump’s now-defunct fashion line, for more than $1 million in unpaid back rent. It later dropped the lawsuit, according to court records.

Fisher’s space was 10.8% of the gross leasable area of Trump Tower, whose largest current tenants are the Trump Organization itself, Gucci America Inc. and ICC Industries, according to the information compiled by Wells Fargo. Trump is current on payments for the $100 million mortgage.
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