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hedda_foil

(16,483 posts)
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:34 AM Sep 2021

Peter Thiel Claimed Zuckerberg Agreed to Push 'State-Sanctioned Conservatism' Under Trump Deal, Book

https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-thiel-claimed-mark-zuckerberg-agreed-to-push-state-sanctioned-conservatism-under-trump-deal-book-says/

During a meeting in Washington, D.C. in 2019, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg agreed to not fact-check political posts if the Trump administration would steer clear of any “heavy-handed regulations,” venture capitalist Peter Thiel told an associate, according to a new book. The associate alleged that at the meeting—which was also attended by Thiel, former President Trump, Jared Kushner, and their spouses—Zuckerberg essentially promised to champion “state-sanctioned conservatism,” The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power says. Zuckerberg denied the existence of a deal, saying that was “pretty ridiculous.”


There's an original article linked from The New Yorker of short piece here but I've used up my free articles for September.
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Peter Thiel Claimed Zuckerberg Agreed to Push 'State-Sanctioned Conservatism' Under Trump Deal, Book (Original Post) hedda_foil Sep 2021 OP
Post anything negative on DU about Facebook and people will hate on you big time. Dream Girl Sep 2021 #1
Really? I don't get that sense. Beakybird Sep 2021 #2
Not from me! Fuckerberg and Falsebook should be shut down for what they have been doing. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #6
Therese Hong Trump 2016 campaign: "Without facebook we wouldn't have won." Botany Sep 2021 #11
I must have posted that a dozen times BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #29
A good friend who I have known for years and is an engineer type and very smart has been sucked ... Botany Sep 2021 #32
Fakebook sarcasmo Sep 2021 #22
FascistBook lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #23
+1 2naSalit Sep 2021 #38
Huh? DrToast Sep 2021 #10
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #13
This is true. Politicub Sep 2021 #31
Facebook and Zuckerburg are Evil NonPC Sep 2021 #34
I've been trashing FB for years on DU FakeNoose Sep 2021 #45
Absolutely luv2fly Sep 2021 #49
I'm pretty sure Facebook and Zuckerburg are widely despised and distrusted here. summer_in_TX Sep 2021 #50
But what percentage of those who "despise and distrust" it... luv2fly Sep 2021 #51
I confess that I am one of those that does use FB. summer_in_TX Sep 2021 #52
Facebook is poison SoonerPride Sep 2021 #3
I would, but all of my friends live over 150 miles away MurrayDelph Sep 2021 #7
I can't tell if you're serouis. Dream Girl Sep 2021 #8
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #9
Thank you for your well-reasoned opinion MurrayDelph Sep 2021 #12
Again, I can't tell if you expect people to believe that the reason you can't delete your account is Dream Girl Sep 2021 #17
I faced a similar dilemma when I deleted my account SoonerPride Sep 2021 #14
I am not on Facebook either wnylib Sep 2021 #41
Do your phone and email have 150 mile radius limits? lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #15
No, but while phone calls are great for one-on-one contacts MurrayDelph Sep 2021 #18
I see. I'm not familiar with that vibe; haven't been to cocktail parties. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #20
If you need Facebook to connect to "friends", theres not not actually " friends". Dream Girl Sep 2021 #19
Are are friends and there are Facebook "friends". Dream Girl Sep 2021 #21
What about zoom? nycbos Sep 2021 #24
Set up a private Skype room. It is free and super easy, and it can be text only, plus you can call Celerity Sep 2021 #26
Email can cover that distance in a split second KS Toronado Sep 2021 #37
That excuse is so old and used it has a rind on it. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #39
"useful tool" you should get a life. rockfordfile Sep 2021 #46
To those who have engaged in well-intentioned tech-splaining MurrayDelph Sep 2021 #47
I use it a lot less DBoon Sep 2021 #16
I agree rockfordfile Sep 2021 #44
I can believe it. eShirl Sep 2021 #4
We're talking about 2 people nobody should trust in the first place Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #5
+1 2naSalit Sep 2021 #40
Not sure who to believe. nycbos Sep 2021 #25
We have a two stopped-clocks conundrum. hay rick Sep 2021 #27
Let's see who sues who for libel padah513 Sep 2021 #28
What if Zuckerberg sues Theil and Theil then countersues Zuckerberg? nycbos Sep 2021 #30
I'm not surprised. Regulations required here. Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #33
There are good groups on it Racygrandma Sep 2021 #35
I hate that sniveling milktoast rat Zuckerberg infullview Sep 2021 #36
Peter Thiel Snackshack Sep 2021 #42
Traitorbook. I think that traitorbook had a employee working at Cambridge Analytica rockfordfile Sep 2021 #43
Perhaps the kernel of truth in this story andym Sep 2021 #48

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. Not from me! Fuckerberg and Falsebook should be shut down for what they have been doing.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:49 AM
Sep 2021

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died as a result of the disinformation he profits from, whether helping to elect Trump and his cronies, or telling them lies about COVID, masks, and vaccinations.

Botany

(72,252 posts)
11. Therese Hong Trump 2016 campaign: "Without facebook we wouldn't have won."
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:01 PM
Sep 2021



BTW Zuckerberg was well aware of the Trump Campaign, Russia, and Cambridge Analytica using
Facebook to bath targeted people with disinformation in 2016.

BigmanPigman

(52,147 posts)
29. I must have posted that a dozen times
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:59 PM
Sep 2021

when it came to light. The woman's attitude always bugged me. She seemed so nonchalant, like this was no big deal. La de da.

Botany

(72,252 posts)
32. A good friend who I have known for years and is an engineer type and very smart has been sucked ...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:13 PM
Sep 2021

... into the right wing disinformation web sites crap. The Facebook/Russian driven 2016 misinformation
about Hillary and her "email scandal" got a good hold on him and have made him much more receptive
to other right wing crap. He is now getting his information from a place called the heterodox academy.

Response to DrToast (Reply #10)

NonPC

(401 posts)
34. Facebook and Zuckerburg are Evil
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:19 PM
Sep 2021

Ever since Zuckerburg stole the idea for Facebook, he and his co-conspirator (Sheryl Sandburg) have done everything they could to enrich themselves at the expense of our society. I have never had a Facebook account or owned their stock and am damn proud of it.

FakeNoose

(35,306 posts)
45. I've been trashing FB for years on DU
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:34 PM
Sep 2021

I've even posted specific links for anyone who wants to quit Facebook and delete all photos/posts. Yes some DUers are FB lovers, for the purposes of limited contact with family and friends.

The political/crazy nonsense happens to people who click on everything and don't block anything.

luv2fly

(2,478 posts)
49. Absolutely
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 04:29 PM
Sep 2021

I've experienced the snark personally, usually in the form of what I assume the writer thinks is a witty comment but more often than not, isn't. I believe these folks are really just trying to defend their actions as they can't imagine being without their beloved addiction, no matter that the platform knowingly hurts people.

The willful ignorance is stupifying. Facebook is the users.

summer_in_TX

(3,121 posts)
50. I'm pretty sure Facebook and Zuckerburg are widely despised and distrusted here.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:36 AM
Sep 2021

Cambridge Analytica is one huge reason.

luv2fly

(2,478 posts)
51. But what percentage of those who "despise and distrust" it...
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 09:43 AM
Sep 2021

Still use it and defend said use? Too many.

summer_in_TX

(3,121 posts)
52. I confess that I am one of those that does use FB.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 03:47 PM
Sep 2021

I manage a page for the League of Women Voters of Hays County and two other nonprofits. Since only those who have a page can do that, I have to keep mine. Periodically I need to post on my page to keep enough views up to make it effective when I try to fund raise for the nonprofits. Not great, but I don’t do anything political there. That normally includes page likes or post likes.

MurrayDelph

(5,413 posts)
7. I would, but all of my friends live over 150 miles away
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:52 AM
Sep 2021

Most live over 1,000 miles away, so Facebook is a useful tool.

Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #7)

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
17. Again, I can't tell if you expect people to believe that the reason you can't delete your account is
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:10 PM
Sep 2021

Because family is 1,000 miles away. If you feel you need Facebook to say connected with them, you’re not that close. Per Sheryl Sanberg, Facebook is for loose social connections.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
14. I faced a similar dilemma when I deleted my account
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:07 PM
Sep 2021

Those who were truly my friends continued to contact me via text, emails, and the good old fashioned phone call and hand written card or letter.

The rest turned out weren't really my friends anyway.

wnylib

(24,103 posts)
41. I am not on Facebook either
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:14 PM
Sep 2021

and never have been. No Twitter, either.

Texts, e-mail, and phone calls only.

No letters, though. Except for junk mail, I have not seen a letter in ages. Just notes inside of cards I get or send.

MurrayDelph

(5,413 posts)
18. No, but while phone calls are great for one-on-one contacts
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

They do not have the same cocktail party vibe.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. I see. I'm not familiar with that vibe; haven't been to cocktail parties.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:14 PM
Sep 2021

I hope the consequences for America are worth it to you.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
21. Are are friends and there are Facebook "friends".
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:15 PM
Sep 2021

I have friends across the country, I manage to talk, zoom, text, and email them. But they’re actually friends.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
26. Set up a private Skype room. It is free and super easy, and it can be text only, plus you can call
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:49 PM
Sep 2021

(both vid or voice only) for free as well. You can share links, files, etc.

KS Toronado

(19,325 posts)
37. Email can cover that distance in a split second
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:05 PM
Sep 2021

without having to log in and give your personal information away. Plus it's more personable than
a fakebook post that says....Hey everyone....lookie.

MurrayDelph

(5,413 posts)
47. To those who have engaged in well-intentioned tech-splaining
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:39 PM
Sep 2021

Thank you, but your suggestions have all been tried and do not fit within the boundaries of our needs.

If they work for you, I am happy for you, but the world is not made up of one-size-fits-all solutions.

For the record, I detest Zuckerberg and his cohorts, but too many of my friends use his product for me to train them into other options. Especially when, as has been mentioned previously, most of them live over one thousand miles away.

Murray Delph,
Retired educator and computer guy.

DBoon

(22,976 posts)
16. I use it a lot less
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

less use = less advertising revenue for the

Anytime I have an alternative, i use the alternative.

It's how I deal with Amazon too.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. We're talking about 2 people nobody should trust in the first place
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:46 AM
Sep 2021

... contradicting one another.

I'll need something more than either Thiel or Zuck's 'word' before I believe anything about this.

2naSalit

(91,935 posts)
40. +1
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:14 PM
Sep 2021

All I know is what I've known for several years, fb is poison to a society and should die a swift and painful death.

hay rick

(8,163 posts)
27. We have a two stopped-clocks conundrum.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:53 PM
Sep 2021

Is one right? Neither? Both right in parallel universes? It's 5 o'clock somewhere.

Racygrandma

(130 posts)
35. There are good groups on it
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:20 PM
Sep 2021

I look at a pastel art group on Facebook, lots of talented people with good art tips. Lots of crap posts also. If someone posts outrageous stuff I just ask not to see the posts. Basically I do not look at peoples posts, just the art groups. I have deleted my account a few times though because it was getting so bad.

infullview

(1,038 posts)
36. I hate that sniveling milktoast rat Zuckerberg
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:25 PM
Sep 2021

You want to talk about a cancer on society, holy crap! He's a POS. So socially inept he developed a web site to spy on the cute girls that rejected him when he was just a poor student.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
42. Peter Thiel
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:25 PM
Sep 2021

It seems just wants to see the village burn. What a POS.

As for FB it’s garbage given it’s destructive nature. Fine for reminders about birthdays and seeing a picture of the new whatever someone bought or cooked but beyond that it’s garbage. I logged on not long ago to answer a question a friend had after being off it for 6-7months and was immediately bombarded with divisive covid / vaccine / Dem / GOP crap.

andym

(5,603 posts)
48. Perhaps the kernel of truth in this story
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:42 PM
Sep 2021

is that one could easily see Zuckerberg saying something like he wouldn't interfere with political communication on Facebook as he has championed free communication or all kinds. Thiel himself is a dedicated libertarian. Libertarianism is an aspect of American conservatism, so Thiel could have made some remark that about liking a state supporting libertarianism. The associate could have taken this a little differently and viola.

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