How Did The Haitians Get To The Border?.....

[global1]

Isn't Haiti an island? How were they transported to the border? Who got them there?

[BlueJac]

1. Good question

[snowybirdie]

2. I read

many of them have been in Central and South America for years. They decided to come for economic opportunities. They were warned not to come by the Biden Administration. A sad situation for people who've never had a break.

[Irish_Dem]

3. I have been asking the same question. Who funded them? This is an expensive trip.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

13. Haiti is an overall impoverished country, but not everyone is too poor to afford a boat ride

or plane trip to the continent

[jimfields33]

4. Good question

I know they went to central and South America first. Maybe boats? Some have been living away from Haiti for many years. Just now, they wanted to settle in the United States.

[CrispyQ]

5. We were wondering that too. -nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. Many of them migrated to South America in the past decade but they face racism and oppression there

and the situation has become untenable, so they decided to move to a place that promises so much more, despite its horrid record against Haiti. They were that desperate.

[ratchiweenie]

7. Yes but, who paid for them to get here?

[sarisataka]

8. Perhaps the same people

Who paid to get other Central and South American immigrants here...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. Listen to yourself.

[Treefrog]

10. The sad thing is that many of them now speak Spanish or Portuguese better than Haitian.

Many have been gone for years. What are they supposed to do?

[TheProle]

9. Hard Travel and WhatsApp

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/over-10000-mostly-haitian-migrants-sleeping-under-texas-bridge-more-expected-2021-09-17/

Officials on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border said most of the migrants were Haitians and more are expected to arrive. Most of the migrants Reuters spoke to had not come direct from Haiti but had made long and harrowing journeys through Mexico and Central and South America.

Several of them told Reuters they followed routes shared amongst each other on WhatsApp.

[sarisataka]

11. How does anyone get off an island?

Gilligan and the castaways tried many times but never could accomplish that feat.

[jmbar2]

12. Maybe Haitians in the US sent them money for the flights to SA

We have a huge Haitian population here already. Undoubtedly they are sending money home and trying to help friends and relatives escape.

[Ritabert]

15. Of more interest is how did they arrive at the same time

....under the same bridge? That smacks of some coordination by some outside group to get a negative PR moment.

[global1]

16. What If We Think In Terms Of Tinfoil Hats?....

What if the money was funded by RWer's or Repug's to create an embarrassing situation for Biden at the border. If it happened under TFG - that would be the talking point that the Repug's would be touting - only funded by the Liberals and Dems.

[Ritabert]

17. I was thinking the same thing

Funded by right wing groups for a bad photo op. I suspected that a few years ago when a lot of Central Americans were bused up to make the case for the border wall proposal.

[Corgigal]

18. Private plane

that was funded by the Republican District Attorney’s. Don’t they fund everything?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

19. Good article on that question found here.....

How thousands of Haitian migrants ended up at the Texas border
The Guardian UK
Joe Parkin Daniels and Tom Phillips
Sat 18 Sep 2021 11.30 BST

Gang violence, bloody protests, food and fuel shortages plus natural disasters have spurred many to leave the west’s poorest nation

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/sep/18/haiti-migrants-us-texas-violence

Snips....

For many migrants, crossing the Rio Grande is just the last small step in a circuitous odyssey that stretches across the Caribbean and deep into South America.

Most fly from Haiti to Ecuador, which does not require a visa for Haitian visitors, before either trying to find work in Brazil or Chile, or heading north, crossing the perilous jungles of the Darién Gap and onwards to Central America and Mexico.

At every stage, they are at the mercy of a security forces and organized crime groups which target travelers, and the rickety infrastructure of the people-smuggling business.
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Others chose a more direct, but equally treacherous, journey to the US, chancing their life on the high seas. On Monday, the coast guard intercepted a 35-foot boat carrying 103 people, 18 miles off the coast of Florida. They had been at sea for six days.

It sounds like those 12,000 were the few Haitians who could afford to pay for that trip.

Like many migrants and refugees from other nations, they have been mislead (Russia?) to believe the Biden Administration is opening a door to America without due process, which is false. I think Joe has, however, removed cruelty and violations of human rights implemented by tRump.

KY

[Ritabert]

20. Interesting. I wondered why they all went through Ecuador

...

[nocoincidences]

21. Most fly from Haiti to Ecuador, which does not require a visa for Haitian visitors,

[TroubleMan]

22. They paid for themselves many many years ago, some decades ago.

There is a large Haiti diaspora throughout Central and South America. For instance, my wife's brother (my wife is Haitian) has lived in Chile for over a decade. He has a wife and kids there, and doesn't plan on leaving, although he considered coming to the USA in this manor.

There was a rumor that once Trump was gone, they would be let in. This idea spread virulently throughout the Haitian diaspora's social media. It sounds outrageous, but if you understand the whole story, it's not.

It's a very, very long story, I won't go into here, but here's the gist. Before Trump, immigration moved at a slow but steady pace. You could apply for asylum or a visa, and it took awhile, but eventually your case would get processed. After Trump took office, those processes ground to a halt. A process that once took 6 months, now takes about 3 or 4 years (or so they say, when they give a confirmation). A lot of this is because Trump gutted the offices and fired a lot of people. Also, it was do to a change of ....let's just say attitude. They started denying a higher percentage for no real reason.

Well now that Trump's gone, the theory is, things will go back to the way it was. It hasn't however, those people have not been rehired, and it appears that the denials are still the same. Trump screwed it up so much that nothing's changed since Biden took office.

So all these people who were waiting for Trump to lose, decided to take their chance, and unfortunately the system wasn't ready for them, because of how bad Trump screwed it up. Again, they were already in Central and South America; nobody flew them there recently.

[global1]

23. It Wouldn't Surprise Me If The Tr**p Criminals Spread The Rumor That....

things would change when TFG was out of office. That way they can create border incidents (really they should shoulder the blame) but then blame in all on Biden.

TFG left all these minefields all over many government offices - just to plant incidents that they then could take advantage of - and use as material in future campaigns - like in 2022 and 2024.

Biden should appoint a group of WH Staffers to look into all those changes that TFG made to government offices and do everything to clean out TFG's people and put in Biden people.

That to me - should be a priority.

[Ritabert]

24. That makes sense

Anything to cause chaos.

[TroubleMan]

29. That would not be surprising.

Social media is easily manipulated, and unfounded rumors can spread quickly.

[global1]

26. Somebody Financed Those Shirts And Distributed Them To These Haitians.....

More and more this whole thing looks like a set-up. Where is the MSM on this? Why aren't they exposing this?

[TroubleMan]

27. Picture is miscaptioned - those aren't Haitians and that picture is from March.

[TroubleMan]

28. Picture is miscaptioned - those aren't Haitians and that picture is from March.

[Nevilledog]

30. Where did you see it?

[TroubleMan]

32. Click on the link in the picture post that takes you to twitter,

and scroll down.

You'll see a link to story back in March where that picture was originally from:
https://www.businessinsider.com/migrants-wear-biden-let-us-in-shirts-us-mexico-border-2021-3

Also, if you look at the picture, the people are clearly not Haitian.

[Nevilledog]

33. I deleted it

[gojoe12]

31. I think that is an

out dated picture. I remember seeing something like that a few months back