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akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:33 AM Sep 2021

Wanted to ask DU why Dems are so Divided? Don't Dems know that President Biden

is fighting as much as he can for America to survive a pandemic and get the country back to some kind of normalcy. What is wrong with some of our fellow Dems?

Edited to add that my Prime Minister got elected with a minority, I have no idea why conservatives are winning, I'm in Canada.

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Wanted to ask DU why Dems are so Divided? Don't Dems know that President Biden (Original Post) akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 OP
Dems are not 'so divided;' elleng Sep 2021 #1
That's good to hear as am hoping President Biden's agenda will go through the Senate. akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #2
we must... myohmy2 Sep 2021 #3
I disagree. we have to rock the boat in order to get change. akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #5
Why would they? The thuggery works wnylib Sep 2021 #15
No, it's not that. There's lots of premature hair on fire. Rather than OnDoutside Sep 2021 #7
I understand what you are saying and would never disagree with you. I just wish President Biden akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #10
Yes but this time it's a small rump of Dems who are stirring the crap. OnDoutside Sep 2021 #12
There is a sense of vulnerability. Frasier Balzov Sep 2021 #4
I dont understand what you mean. Unless you are saying that a Dem who won in a Republican majority akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #6
They do have a more difficult time openly siding with him. Frasier Balzov Sep 2021 #8
And yet Katie Porter won and got re-elected in a Republican area. OnDoutside Sep 2021 #9
I totally agree with you. I love Katie Porter and her white board, she is precious. She won because akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #11
Forest and trees Behind the Aegis Sep 2021 #13
Your answer went over my head. However, I have always admired you on DU and so akbacchus_BC Sep 2021 #14
Thanks! What a nice thing to say. Behind the Aegis Sep 2021 #16
I don't think that Dems are so divided Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #17
Dems are extroadinarily united. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #18

elleng

(131,159 posts)
1. Dems are not 'so divided;'
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:43 AM
Sep 2021

per Will Rogers:

'I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.'

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
2. That's good to hear as am hoping President Biden's agenda will go through the Senate.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:49 AM
Sep 2021

Keeping fingers crossed.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
5. I disagree. we have to rock the boat in order to get change.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:17 AM
Sep 2021

Remember, we are not dealing with normal people, the turtle is mean and vindictive. I cannot believe that not ten repubs have a spine to go against the thuggery that is the republican party.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
7. No, it's not that. There's lots of premature hair on fire. Rather than
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:23 AM
Sep 2021

wasting effort here wailing about the end of times because the Bills are doomed, doomed, call the offices of the likes of Manchin etc to demand they vote for Biden's agenda. Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are on this, and if they can't get all the Dems to vote for this, then have at the conservative Dems.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
10. I understand what you are saying and would never disagree with you. I just wish President Biden
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:32 AM
Sep 2021

can get his agenda done and the American people is aware that he has their best interest at heart, Reminds me of how the rethugs opposed President Obama. Who votes for these clowns who does not care for infrastructure, jobs, etc.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
12. Yes but this time it's a small rump of Dems who are stirring the crap.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:40 AM
Sep 2021

I have enough faith in Pelosi especially, to get this done. I've consistently said here that let's see the Biden Bill that Manchin kills, because after all his whinging, he does vote blue in the end. The term sausage making was never as apt as it is now.

Frasier Balzov

(2,668 posts)
4. There is a sense of vulnerability.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:07 AM
Sep 2021

The Senate majority depends on Democrats who represent states which were not won by Joe Biden.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
6. I dont understand what you mean. Unless you are saying that a Dem who won in a Republican majority
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:20 AM
Sep 2021

State, has to vote against President Biden's agenda.

Frasier Balzov

(2,668 posts)
8. They do have a more difficult time openly siding with him.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:24 AM
Sep 2021

And this fact of red-state life causes disunity within the Democratic Party.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
9. And yet Katie Porter won and got re-elected in a Republican area.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:28 AM
Sep 2021

The real issue is the small rump of the Democratic Party in the House and Senate who are wrapped up in anti Biden agenda donor money. Biden's agenda is wildly popular and those Dems must know that, so why is it such a hard sell.... that's the question to ask.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
11. I totally agree with you. I love Katie Porter and her white board, she is precious. She won because
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:36 AM
Sep 2021

she is smart. I just wish there was not so much division in the Democratic party.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
14. Your answer went over my head. However, I have always admired you on DU and so
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:50 AM
Sep 2021

many other DUers who have left. Thanks for the acknowlegement.

Behind the Aegis

(53,994 posts)
16. Thanks! What a nice thing to say.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:53 AM
Sep 2021

What I mean by that is some are not seeing the forest for the trees. They aren't acknowledging the razor thin margins and instead of coming together, after a hellish 4 years, and working as a team, some are still trying to act as if things are normal in our country and it's business as usual. It isn't. We are in a cold civil war and it is looking to heat up; we have to come together until we can get back to a balance. Bipartisanship doesn't work when the other side is filled with terrorists intent on creating a dictatorship!

Dorian Gray

(13,503 posts)
17. I don't think that Dems are so divided
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:58 AM
Sep 2021

where do you get that?

There is some legitimate criticism of the administration... as there would be with any NORMAL administration. There are certain things we may disagree with and that makes sense because no politician should be a god unto himself and the party. Trump was literally that, and I don't want that in a leader.

There is a little division between the progressive arm of the party and the mainstream part, but the former is a minority here. The majority of the Dems overwhelmingly support the Biden agenda (with some quibbles here and there) and the divisions are quite miniscule.

I can't speak to Canadian politics, but I suspect that Trudeau won by a minority because your conservative Candidate wasn't a total crack pot. They garnered more votes because they didn't have a thuggish authoritarian wannabe leading the party.

Scrivener7

(51,022 posts)
18. Dems are extroadinarily united.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:04 AM
Sep 2021
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